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747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:35 pm

Boeing has announced that they expect an order shortly for the passenger version. Any idea's as to who this may be? I cannot see a thread on this subject but if there is, I will delete.

http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1143590946.html
 
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:43 pm

LH said something about an order as early as end of march, thats now, when CEO Mayrhofer visited Seattle recently. LH seems to be deeply interested in the 747-8I and -F, and probably the 787.
 
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:58 pm

Quoting NA (Reply 1):
LH seems to be deeply interested in the 747-8I and -F, and probably the 787.

My money is that LH will order the 747-8, hopefully mostly for the PAX version and maybe a handful of freighters.

The 747 is and will be a perfect match for LH's operations. And regardless of whether LH has the A380 or not, the 747-8 will suit their operations very good, complimenting the A380 on routes that are too big for the Flying Pencil and too small for the Superjet, thus adding more flexibility into their operations and help LH phase out most of their 744s on a 1 to 1 basis. And needless to say, LH Cargo needs heavy lift capability, and that's what the 747 offers them.
 
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:06 pm

You could easily see a 788-8/787-10/747-8i/747-8F order from a carrier very shortly, like SQ, LH, or AF. 4 diverse aircraft, 1 engine family, all very efficient...
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:33 pm

In addition to a B-747-800I/F order from LH, and possibly AF and SQ, it seems to me the QF could also use some new A-747-800s. I think Japan Air and/or Nippon could also consider some, even though they recently ordered the B-787-800s. UA is also a candidate for the B-747-800 this year, so could AI. BA and Korean Air will wait until 2007 or 2008 to order the B-747-800.

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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:52 pm

I did forget about UA, though I don't know if they'd do an order all at once. if we are talking an all at once order, I think the 3 I mentioned are most likely. Piecemeal, I still don't think JL or NH are looking for 748i's any time soon. 748F? maybe.
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:02 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
In addition to a B-747-800I/F order from LH, and possibly AF and SQ, it seems to me the QF could also use some new A-747-800s

Not this year or next, I think. I strongly doubt you will see any QF orders this year or next, execpt for infills orders like the B738/A320 orders recently discussed AND, of course, the ULR order if it is worked out with the manfactures to QFs satisfaction.

A B744 replacement is not urgent, the A380 will replace those serving SYD/MEL -LAX & LHR, I strongly doubt QF will make a decision on wether to order more A380 or something else(748/777) to replace its B744 until it has serious A380 operating exprience, say end 07- mid 08. As well QF have almost $A12 Billion worth of orders outstanding, so I see pressure to digest some outstanding A380s first.

Of course this could all be blowen out of the water if there is movement on the ULR front. In that case, assuming its B772ULRs then almost any type of deal could be done including 772ER, 773ER or 748 as well as the 772ULR.

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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:07 pm

I think that QF will be the first.............
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:27 pm

Quoting Cuprita (Reply 7):
I think that QF will be the first.............

I don�t think so, first of all Qantas just placed this huge 787 order and has not shown so much interest in the 787-8 right now.
LH on the other hand was the airline that stated the most interest in the 747-8 so far. They also announed an order for new longhaul aircraft soon.

Quoting NA (Reply 1):
LH said something about an order as early as end of march

Where do you have heard about an order as early as the end of march ?
Mayrhuber said on the annual press conference, that they discuss the issue of the new order intensively and expect a decision in the near future ("heuer" as he put it in Austrian).
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:26 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 8):
Where do you have heard about an order as early as the end of march ?

Sorry, seems I got confused with SIA here. LH wants to place a substantial widebody order in 2006, evaluating the 747-8I (pax and F), further A380, A350 and 787.
According to the article the LH order seems to be the most interesting, and certainly the biggest of the year from Europe.

Interesting also to read that the 787 is overweight at the current status.
 
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:25 pm

Nope you all have it wrong..I think it'll be Jet Airways. They've been talking up an order of 787s and 747-8. They seem very close to getting something on paper.
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:39 pm

Lot's of talk from Boeing today:

FRANKFURT (AP)--Boeing Co. is confident that its new 450-seat 747-8 will appeal to European and Asian air carriers looking to fill more seats, an executive said Wednesday.

Jeff Peace, vice president and program manager for Boeing's 747 program, said the new plane will be slightly longer, accommodate more passengers, be able to fly farther and - in a nod to European airports - be quieter because of new engine designs.

"The engines and the wings are the two things we have been working on," he told reporters...

...Though there have been no orders for the passenger model yet, Peace said that dozens of airlines have been in talks with the U.S. manufacturer...

"...We still anticipate orders for the Intercontinental this year," he said of the passenger plane...

...Peace said Boeing expects to sell both models of the 747 for between $260 million to $280 million with initial demand coming from Europe and Asia.

"Over the next 20 years we see need for about 900 airplanes," he said, with 300 being freighters and the remainder for passenger use.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20060329-001856.html

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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:01 pm

I'd say that NZ would be looking to repeat its 787 genius by become a launch customer for the 747-8 also! Order of 4x 747-8 plus options for 4 more I think, to replace the 8x ageing 744s from about 2010. This would leave NZ with a fleet mix by 2012 of:
8x 747-8
8x 777-2ER (plus 4-5 777-2LR possibly or more 787 orders)
4x 787-8 (plus another 4 most likely)
14x A320
14x 737-3
(the last 737-3s made so still relatively new but due to be replaced around 2013. Most likely NZ will wait for replacement of both 737-3 and A320 until Boeing and Airbus come out with their replacement type).

I'd agree that QF is most likely looking at the 747-8 to replace its 744s around 2012 and its 744ERs around 2016.

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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:17 pm

Someone mentioned on another thread that Singapore Airlines are going to sign up shortly as launch customer. No details, no link, though; 'that's all she wrote'.
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:26 am

This link to AirWise Online might provide us with some hints:

http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1143590946.html


My prediction is that LH will be a launch customer for the 747-8i and buy a number of 787s, possibly even the Dash 10 model.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 2):
My money is that LH will order the 747-8, hopefully mostly for the PAX version and maybe a handful of freighters.

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Quoting NA (Reply 1):
LH said something about an order as early as end of march, thats now, when CEO Mayrhofer visited Seattle recently. LH seems to be deeply interested in the 747-8I and -F, and probably the 787.

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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:32 am

If I had to put money down, I'd put it on LH being the first to bite for the passenger model. I hear them rumored for the freighter, but then I also hear they prefer the MD-11F, which might push them to the 777F, instead. Plus they have plenty of 744s that will be negated when the A380s enter service and those could be converted to freighters.

If not LH, then perhaps CX, though the 773ER might be an early look into their future long-range heavy lift plans.

I can't see JL or NH biting. The 773 offers plenty of domestic lift and I'm going to take a wild guess that it will offer better CASM for short-haul over the 748.

I tend to think QF will hold off, since the A380 should work for their trunk routes and the 787-10 would give them decent lift in the secondary markets now served by 743s.

SQ seems to want the freighter, at least, but with the A380 now looking dicey for SFO-HKG 24x7x365, they might want to hedge their bets and order some 748s.
 
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:44 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
The 773 offers plenty of domestic lift and I'm going to take a wild guess that it will offer better CASM for short-haul over the 748.

Actually, the advantage of the B777-300 over the JumboJet in domestic Japanese operations is not CASM, but utilization.
 
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:49 am

Between SQ, QF, JL, NH, LH, etc etc... Ever think about this:
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:04 am

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 13):
Someone mentioned on another thread that Singapore Airlines are going to sign up shortly as launch customer.

SQ has a history of being launch customers. But if taking bets I put it on Jet Airways, then LH or SQ.
 
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:13 am

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 14):
This link to AirWise Online might provide us with some hints:
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1143590946.html
My prediction is that LH will be a launch customer for the 747-8i and buy a number of 787s, possibly even the Dash 10 model.

I put out the most interesting statement out of that article

Quoting AirWiseOnline:


"We are currently responding to a request from Lufthansa."

"British Airways we would hope to see them in the market later this year."

"Alitalia is harder to say"

"KLM and Air France we would expect to see (soon)," Carson said.

As the first European airline to order the 747-8I I expect it will be Lufthansa and as USAF336TFS has said I also see them ordering the 787 in addition to that.
In Asia I predict Jet Airways will be the first airline to order the 747-8I.
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:24 am

Quoting Columba (Reply 19):
In Asia I predict Jet Airways will be the first airline to order the 747-8I.

That would be really great....

But I would love to see AI replacing their 744's with 748's...they have operated 747's for 35 years now, without a break....
 
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:33 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 11):
"Over the next 20 years we see need for about 900 airplanes," he said, with 300 being freighters and the remainder for passenger use.

So only Airbus is always overestimating...  stirthepot   flamed  I hope even the 748 will play an important role in aviation...

Honestly I think that if there are gonna be 600 748l built... the A380 will overtake 1000 then... where's the problem to break-even??

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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:36 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 10):
Nope you all have it wrong..I think it'll be Jet Airways.

hmmm.... Jet could order, but I doubt it will be number 1.

Quoting FlyingHippo (Reply 17):
The wild card: CI.

Aren't their 744s on the younger side?

What about the carriers in the Americas? Yes, VG is broke and Aerolineas Argentineas (sp?) is moving to Airbus, but what about UA, NW, AC, and, if it fits in their route scheduel, AA and CO?
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:54 pm

I think CI, LH or SQ are most likely. They are evaluating a/c in this class and are likely to place orderes soon. BA, CX, QF, 9W, AI etc are all likely candidates but seem unlikely at the moment. BA, too much to think about, CX 77W seems to be the trick, QF other things on their mind, 9W not yet, AI we'll see but I doubt it'll come to fruition- the 77W will fill their needs. As for Japan, the 77W will suffice and JAL has a lot to sort out. Other carriers such as UA have to get their finances in order before ordering new, unnecessary a/c. My TT$0.01

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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:09 pm

I love the educated speculation going on here. I really enjoy it.
(enter sarcasm mode) I think that in a surprise move, the all Airbus TACA airlines of Central America will order 10 747-8i for new routes to Europe and Asia (sarcasm mode off)

Quoting Piercey (Reply 22):
if it fits in their route scheduel, AA and CO?

CO will not likely go for the 747-8i because they are trying to downsize their fleet variety. AA has flown 747 in a long while and the largest aircraft they have is the 772 so I doubt it will fit in their business plan (which we can see is working marvelously j/k)
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:36 pm

What about Air Canada going for the 747-8? They have had 747s in the past.
 
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:45 pm

Quoting Piercey (Reply 22):
What about the carriers in the Americas? Yes, VG is broke and Aerolineas Argentineas (sp?) is moving to Airbus, but what about UA, NW, AC, and, if it fits in their route scheduel, AA and CO?

AC is very unlikely to order one, since they're already going for a 777 (-300ERs and -200LRs and -200LRFs)/787 combo. NW is in no financial position right now to order any more aircraft, and it would be even more likely for them to defer 787 deliveries than order any more aircraft they can't afford at the moment, should they still make it. However I can see UA ordering some 747-8Is as 744 replacements and for high density flights such as LHR, FRA or NRT. However I personally woud expect UA to also order 787s as 767 and maybe also as 772A replacements and a handful of 77Ws for replacing some of their older 772ERs and to compliment the 748.
 
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:50 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 2):

Is it a hope or hunch?

I'd really like to see a mixed A/B fleet at Lufthansa, be it the B748 would just make it a whole lot more interesting  Smile

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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:53 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 26):
However I can see UA ordering some 747-8Is as 744 replacements and for high density flights such as LHR, FRA or NRT. However I personally woud expect UA to also order 787s as 767 and maybe also as 772A replacements and a handful of 77Ws for replacing some of their older 772ERs and to compliment the 748.

I cannot beleive that the boys from Boeings HQ in Chicago have not been trying to lure UA across the City to make some kind of order for the 747-8, offering them very attractive terms. crossfingers 
 
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:43 pm

Quoting Windshear (Reply 27):
Is it a hope or hunch?

Considering that Mayrhuber has visited Seattle inquiring about the 747-8, I'd say it's both.  crossfingers 
 
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:37 pm

Boeing bullish on prospects for 747-8 Intercontinental.

Airframer says sales effort will soon result in orders for passenger version of stretch.

Boeing has sales campaigns for its stretched 747 derivatives under way at more than a dozen airlines for a total of nearly 100 aircraft and remains confident of securing its first commitment for the passenger version this year.

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...ts+for+747-8+Intercontinental.html
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:59 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 30):

Boeing has sales campaigns for its stretched 747 derivatives under way at more than a dozen airlines for a total of nearly 100 aircraft and remains confident of securing its first commitment for the passenger version this year.

Again, what's with all these press releases, many words but no action. More than a dozen carriers (in the neighbourhood of 15 carriers) and they are 'confident' of securing its first commitment for the passenger version this year? Let's hope they will, with nearly 9 months to go and more than a dozen looking into it, I'd be very suprised if they didn't.

I think it's again safe to assume that most, if not all these carriers, also have A380 proposals requested. Will be interesting to watch wich new customers they will attract, apart from add on orders from existing customers (LH and SQ come to mind) before the A380's first commercial flight.

The following airlines have been reported lately to be interested in either the A380 or 748 IIRC, feel free to add, as this list is absolutely not guaranteed to be complete. But leave out pure speculation or storys from friends who've heard from a friend who's a hairdresser and one of his customers told him...

China Airlines, considering both
Lufthansa, considering the 748 or extra A380's
Cathay Pacific, considering both
British Airways, considering both
Jet Airways, considering the 748
Asiana, considering the A380
SAA, considering the A380, but likely leased from ILFC
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:04 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 12):
I'd say that NZ would be looking to repeat its 787 genius by become a launch customer for the 747-8 also! Order of 4x 747-8 plus options for 4 more I think, to replace the 8x ageing 744s from about 2010. This would leave NZ with a fleet mix by 2012 of:
8x 747-8
8x 777-2ER (plus 4-5 777-2LR possibly or more 787 orders)
4x 787-8 (plus another 4 most likely)
14x A320
14x 737-3

Well, NZ took options for the 777-300ER when they ordered their 777-200ERs. So, I would think 77W would be the ideal 747-400 replacement for them.

Also, did NZ take any options for the 777-200LR?
 
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:24 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 31):
Lufthansa, considering the 748 or extra A380's

For me, Lufthansa belongs into the category of airlines considering the 748 and extra A380s.  Wink
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:34 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 32):
Well, NZ took options for the 777-300ER when they ordered their 777-200ERs. So, I would think 77W would be the ideal 747-400 replacement for them.

That was because there was no such thing then as the B748. The 77W would be a rather large downgrade for NZ because it would need to be in a fairly premium configuration, the 744's have 46J and 23Y+ and the cabins are choka on most routes they are used on, there is already talk of the premiun cabins being made larger particularly Y+ on both the 744's and the 772's! The 77W would probably need atleast 46J and 30-35Y+ only leaving room for probably 240-250Y, whereas the 744's currently have 324Y. Tourism is one of NZ largest money makers and NZ need all the seats they can get in whatever class.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 32):

Also, did NZ take any options for the 777-200LR?

I can't remember but I don't think they did, but I would say they could quite easily convert some of their other 777, 787 options to 772LR's.
 
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:34 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 33):
For me, Lufthansa belongs into the category of airlines considering the 748 and extra A380s.

In an older article, of wich we had a discussion in this forum, it was extra A380 and A346 or 748. Offcourse, this could have changed now...
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:36 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 2):
My money is that LH will order the 747-8, hopefully mostly for the PAX version and maybe a handful of freighters.



Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 14):
My prediction is that LH will be a launch customer for the 747-8i

I agree with both of you. My "source" is the in-flight LH magazine. There is an article in the March issue which describes the work of a modeller who builds the full-scale interior mockups for LH. In once sentence there is mention of a "747 mockup" that is currently being developed; why would LH be doing this if they were not planning on ordering the 748i?

Perhapse I'm "reading the tea leaves" too deeply?  Smile

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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:21 pm

Interesting is that the flightglobal article mentions that only 5 positions are still free for late 744 orders until the line switches to the new 747 models completely. I guess these 5 will be snapped up soon.
 
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:10 pm

Quoting Iwok (Reply 36):
why would LH be doing this if they were not planning on ordering the 748i?

Perhapse I'm "reading the tea leaves" too deeply?

Here's why...

http://www.lufthansatechnik.com/appl...?action=initial&requestednode=home
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:00 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 32):
Well, NZ took options for the 777-300ER when they ordered their 777-200ERs. So, I would think 77W would be the ideal 747-400 replacement for them.

Also, did NZ take any options for the 777-200LR?



Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 34):
That was because there was no such thing then as the B748. The 77W would be a rather large downgrade for NZ because it would need to be in a fairly premium configuration, the 744's have 46J and 23Y+ and the cabins are choka on most routes they are used on, there is already talk of the premiun cabins being made larger particularly Y+ on both the 744's and the 772's! The 77W would probably need atleast 46J and 30-35Y+ only leaving room for probably 240-250Y, whereas the 744's currently have 324Y. Tourism is one of NZ largest money makers and NZ need all the seats they can get in whatever class.



Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 34):
I can't remember but I don't think they did, but I would say they could quite easily convert some of their other 777, 787 options to 772LR's

Yes Thats right. At the time of NZ's order there was no such thing as the 748. NZ has already said that it is interested in it. Because of NZ's location (surrounded by the biggest mass of water and nothing in the world the Pacific Ocean) there are ETOPS considerations for some of its routes or possible future routes which the T7 cannot do. As mentioned by ZK-NBT NZ's premium and Y+ are chocker and the 773ER would need a large premium config. It is possible that NZ will still get the 773ER but with the need for a larger a/c (not A380 size tho) the 748 is a good choice. At least 4 would be needed to service AKL-LAX-LHR and other flights, possibly more if the 2nd LHR flight required them. In that case I would say a total of 7 aircraft would be likely to take into account mx issues etc. NZ currently has 8x 744 a/c, one was going to be returned but it has been kept on while the fleet refit was going on and also to operate the 2nd LHR flight. I think that NZ had generic T7 options... ie they can pick and choose which a/c they want after the initial 8 772ERs. Hope this helps  Smile
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:50 pm

Quoting FlyingHippo (Reply 17):
Between SQ, QF, JL, NH, LH, etc etc... Ever think about this:
The wild card: CI.

CI just increased TPE-LAX to 16 flights/week with 744, an A380 order for that route and some freighters is not unreasonable
 
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:52 pm

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 40):
CI just increased TPE-LAX to 16 flights/week with 744, an A380 order for that route and some freighters is not unreasonable

I believe they are currently evaluating both planes. And yes, in addition to capacity, TPE-LAX should not be a problem for an A388 year-round at full payload.
 
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:06 pm

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 40):
CI just increased TPE-LAX to 16 flights/week with 744, an A380 order for that route and some freighters is not unreasonable



Quoting Stitch (Reply 41):
I believe they are currently evaluating both planes. And yes, in addition to capacity, TPE-LAX should not be a problem for an A388 year-round at full payload.

Does anyone know where those two extra 744s are coming from? I know they will have an extra A343 available since they are using a A333 to VIE via ABU starting this month.

Maybe I'm being very stubborn, but I still do not believe TPE-LAX alone will be enough for CI to order the A388. They'd order 5 A388s to fulfill 2x daily? A388 isn't exactly cheap to buy nor maintain, plus the airport infrastructure needed in TPE... Based soly on business reasons, I don't think A388 is a wise investment for CI at this point. Plus, they're trying to narrow their fleet to 3 types: 744/8/F, A333/A350 (or 788 to replace A343 AND A333), B738 (or A32x).
 
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:58 am

they have occasionally used 744s for TPE-BKK-FCO, that is going back to A343 for the summer I believe.

since the A350/330 will have a common crew type and they can cross qualify to A380 there is some similraity there.
5 passenger A380s and maybe a similar number of freighters woudl be more than adequate to sustain a A380 fleet.
when is TPE CKS going to be A380 compatible though??
 
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:53 pm

From what I've heard from a high ranking LH person (VP), Boeing as a very good chance of placing 30 747-8 airplanes with LH.

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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:06 pm

Quoting Shenzhen (Reply 44):
From what I've heard from a high ranking LH person (VP), Boeing as a very good chance of placing 30 747-8 airplanes with LH.

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wow. Wow!

one pax order from a blue chip carrier could certainly get the ball rolling for 747-8I frames......including BA, 9W amongst others!
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:07 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 39):
It is possible that NZ will still get the 773ER but with the need for a larger a/c (not A380 size tho) the 748 is a good choice.

Yes! I was thinking along the same lines, 773ER would be good for SFO, PVG, NRT and SIN in the future. With 748's for LAX, HKG, LHR mainly. Then 787's for the other routes like PI-LAX, KIX (In winter, 772 in summer) and OZ maybe New long hauls to YVR, PEK and India in future to.
 
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:36 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 45):
one pax order from a blue chip carrier could certainly get the ball rolling for 747-8I frames......including BA, 9W amongst others!

Do I read this correct? Are you calling Jet Airways a blue chip carrier?
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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:45 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 38):
Here's why...

What should I be reading? There were a bunch of links, and I could not figure out what I should have been looking at. Please let me know.

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RE: 747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:05 pm

Lufthansa Techniks is specialised in designing vip interiors and retrofitting aircraft.
Their 748 has most likely caught their attention aswell and the mock up could be ordered to showcase their 'proposal of interior' to potential customers. It doesn't reflect that an order for the aircraft is imminent IMO. I'd think that airlines would order the aircraft first and that the manufacturer will be more than happy to provide them with a mock up, if being asked, to showcase at aviation events wich the airline considers important for them. ie. Airbus showcased an A380 mock up last year at the Seoul Airshow at the Korean Air stand.
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