thomasphoto60
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Why No SV (PAX) Service To IAH?

Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:19 am

With all of the buzz recently concerining MS and EK lookiing at starting service to IAH in the coming years, this got me to wondering why SV has not jumped in. Suffice it t say, EK and MS are hoping to milk the lucrative energy sector market, so since a lion's share of the travelers are likely bound for Saudi Arabia, it seems to me that SV would be a natural fit. Indeed IAH is no stranger to SV A/C (royal, cargo), but the lack of a direct passanger link has always been a mystery to me.

Looking at SV route map http://www.saudiairlines.com/offices/internationalroute.jsp I was aware of their JFK, IAD and seasonal MCO services but LAX threw me. Is this SV metal or a code share?

Just curious,

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RE: Why No SV (PAX) Service To IAH?

Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:37 am

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Thread starter):
Looking at SV route map http://www.saudiairlines.com/offices/internationalroute.jsp I was aware of their JFK, IAD and seasonal MCO services but LAX threw me. Is this SV metal or a code share?

I don't think that SV has operated the MCO seasonal route since 2002 or 2003...can't remember which. Would love to see it return though! It brought a lot of Middle Eastern tourists to Orlando! Surprisingly enough, and only slightly off topic, just before 9/11 Kuwait Airways was given route authority to serve MCO as well...Who knows what airlines would be serving MCO now?
 
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RE: Why No SV (PAX) Service To IAH?

Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:28 pm

No one besides the people running SV know for sure.

If you were to ask me to speculate, I would say that a route like IAH-JED would require someting like a 772ER because of the distance. While there may be a decent amount of business traffic between Houston and Saudi Arabia, it would be impossible to fill the economy cabin except maybe during hajj. Just a wild guess, but a weekly SV flight from IAH would probably see 20 business pax and 25 people in economy. Not really viable.

If AF only flies to Jeddah 3x per week and Riyadh 4x, what makes you think that Houston would need 1 777 per week? Saudi-bound Houstonians will just have to connect. I wonder how many people in the AF Petroleum club are IAH pax...

As a native Houstonian, I'd love to see SV in Houston and would like to visit Saudi Arabia someday, but I just don't think it makes any business sense. Maybe if Boeing made a 737 with 7500nm range....
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RE: Why No SV (PAX) Service To IAH?

Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:11 pm

The reciprocal difficulties of getting visas for nationals of both countries reduces the number of potential travelers, except for business people. Besides, I think Aramco have their own regular charter flights from IAH.
 
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RE: Why No SV (PAX) Service To IAH?

Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:38 pm

Quoting Neverest (Reply 3):
The reciprocal difficulties of getting visas for nationals of both countries reduces the number of potential travelers, except for business people.

Very true. Many people don't realize how difficult it is to get a visa to visit Saudi Arabia.

Unless you are coming to do the Hajj, an Umrah, or are on business, then it is quite difficult to get a visa.

They allow only a few hundred thousand tourists per year, and only as part of group tours.

If you have family/friends living in Saudi Arabia, they can sponsor a visa for you to come visit them.

It's certainly not like visiting Qatar, Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, or Oman.

They've been talking about changing the procedures, but who knows when/if they will change them.

Quoting Neverest (Reply 3):
Besides, I think Aramco have their own regular charter flights from IAH.

Correct, on their single 767-200ER.

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RE: Why No SV (PAX) Service To IAH?

Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:53 am

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Thread starter):
Looking at SV route map http://www.saudiairlines.com/offices/internationalroute.jsp I was aware of their JFK, IAD and seasonal MCO services but LAX threw me. Is this SV metal or a code share?

LAX was served as code share on United from JFK, it dosent operate anymore.
 
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RE: Why No SV (PAX) Service To IAH?

Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:07 am

LAX is served by SV Cargo only, using the M11

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RE: Why No SV (PAX) Service To IAH?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:10 pm

There is no mention of LAX as a freighter destination at SV Cargo's website schedules, IAH and JFK are the only places listed for the US, so when did this service start?
 
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RE: Why No SV (PAX) Service To IAH?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:23 pm

Quoting BA (Reply 4):
Quoting Neverest (Reply 3):
Besides, I think Aramco have their own regular charter flights from IAH.

Charter flights huh????? That is a corporate aircraft used for corporate travel from the huge hanger on the southeast side of Runway 15L.
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RE: Why No SV (PAX) Service To IAH?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:44 am

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 8):
Charter flights huh????? That is a corporate aircraft used for corporate travel from the huge hanger on the southeast side of Runway 15L.

Look up the registration info on the aircraft.

It belongs to Saudi Aramco and is used primarily to shuttle executives between Houston and the Aramco facilities which are located in the Eastern Province of Saudi Arabia.

That huge hanger you are talking about is the Saudi Aramco hanger.

Yes, it is a corporate aircraft and supposidly has quite a nice interior.

They had 737-200s which have been replaced by 737-700s and are used primarily to shuttle executives within Saudi Arabia as well as around the Middle East and Europe.

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RE: Why No SV (PAX) Service To IAH?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:23 am

Quoting BA (Reply 9):
Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 8):
Charter flights huh????? That is a corporate aircraft used for corporate travel from the huge hanger on the southeast side of Runway 15L.

Look up the registration info on the aircraft.

It belongs to Saudi Aramco and is used primarily to shuttle executives between Houston and the Aramco facilities which are located in the Eastern Province of Saudi Arabia.

That huge hanger you are talking about is the Saudi Aramco hanger.

Yes, it is a corporate aircraft and supposidly has quite a nice interior.

They had 737-200s which have been replaced by 737-700s and are used primarily to shuttle executives within Saudi Arabia as well as around the Middle East and Europe.

I don't need to look it up as I know and have known for many years who owns that hanger as well as the previous DC-8 years back to at a min 1984 and have enjoyed watching the B762 as they did flight training for the crews around Houston and Waco areas.......but you've made my point in your posting......corporate shuttles are just that, a corporate shuttle for employees! There are other corporate operators that run shuttles for employees other than Aramco but that is not a charter, it is a shuttle in for the most part the company owned or company leased aircraft using company pilots etc.
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RE: Why No SV (PAX) Service To IAH?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:23 am

SV could always hub people beyond Jeddah to the sub-continent. They could fill the back with VFR fairly easily.

Biggest problem, no booze on Saudi. The roughnecks would never put up with no Jack Daniels. They are far and away the largest segment of "oil traffic." Same problem on Egyptair and Kuwait Airways.

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