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UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:37 pm

My ex station lead is telling his co-workers that he got hired at UA as a Supervisor that will watch over all of the supervisor's on the ramp at ORD, and it will pay $125,000 a year... Do you think that is bull-poo or no bull-poo, I think that is is....  boggled 
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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:40 pm

Eh, that sounds about right actually...if he is the Supervisor of all the ramp supervisors...thats quite hte responsibility, and I would hope they would offer that sort of fair compensation for that.
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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:40 pm

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 1):
Eh, that sounds about right actually...if he is the Supervisor of all the ramp supervisors

Planespotting is right on! The $125,000 salary is actually $15,000 less than the average for this position in the ORD area.

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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:34 pm

so did he get a job as a operating mgr????
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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sat Apr 01, 2006 6:17 pm

Quoting NASOCEANA (Reply 2):
Planespotting is right on! The $125,000 salary is actually $15,000 less than the average for this position in the ORD area.

Not doubting that UA may still has 6 figures ground operations people, that salary.com "analysis" is waaaaaay off. Having been in the industry for over 10 years now, I can easily say that very few non-pilot/non-executive folks get anywhere near 100k/yr. So either this site is completely wrong, or what they concieve to be an aviation manager is, is a different position than what an airline operations/duty/station manager actualy is.
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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sat Apr 01, 2006 6:48 pm

I wonder what some of the bennies are at that income level. Has UA restructured that side of HR yet or not? I recall several professors of mine mentioning that benefits packages can account for anywhere from 30-60% of total compensation, so I wonder how this stacks up.

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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sun Apr 02, 2006 5:03 am

are these jobs only gotten by ''connections'' or does anybody with a degree and years of experience have a shot ???
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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sun Apr 02, 2006 5:23 am

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 6):
are these jobs only gotten by ''connections'' or does anybody with a degree and years of experience have a shot ???

While connections don't hurt, it is not just a "desk" position...you really need to know what is going on and how it works to do this job correctly.

In this particular job, you are basically responsible for all of the ramp activity that goes on for United Airlines at Chicago O'hare during a particular time...this includes servicing, fueling and all baggage activity (there is more, but this is general stuff). Hundreds of flights a day, in which probably 10 billion dollars or so of equipment is utilized in some way or another, and thousands upon thousands of people are dependant on your staff of hundreds to get things done right, all of which the safety of your company depends on, and quite frankly the financial security of the airline does as well (in the big picture).

Wow...I sure wouldn't want that kind of responsibility, haha.
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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sun Apr 02, 2006 6:19 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 7):
all of the ramp activity that goes on for United Airlines at Chicago O'hare during a particular time...

Wait a second. You mean this guy is in charge of all United movements at O'Hare, bascally the largest airport in the world ???

How many years of experience would you need for a job like this ???
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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sun Apr 02, 2006 6:45 am

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 8):
Wait a second. You mean this guy is in charge of all United movements at O'Hare, bascally the largest airport in the world ???

Well, if I am reading the vague job description offered by the poster correctly, then yes.

Ramp Supervisors are in charge of their specific ramps and their staff. This guy is apparently in charge of all the ramp supervisors. Therefore, yes, that is the way it looks.

But I could be wrong...can someone give a definite description of this dudes job? $125,000/year actually seems like a paltry sum for that much responsiblity.
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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sun Apr 02, 2006 6:55 am

Quoting Mycrj17 (Thread starter):
My ex station lead is telling his co-workers that he got hired ...... and it will pay $125,000 a year... Do you think that is bull-poo

Don't know about the "poo" aspect, but pretty crass/low class to brag about your salary...especially the exact amount! Nice attitude for a supervisor or manager.
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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:07 am

Quoting Mycrj17 (Thread starter):
he got hired at UA as a Supervisor that will watch over all of the supervisor's on the ramp at ORD, and itrnwill pay $125,000 a year...

Does this position require him to be on the ramps or is this an office job with a few weekly visits outside? If he is doing this job that is alot of ppl that he has under his supervision in a potential dangerous environment daily.

If you ask me it sounds totally ridiculous if you are paying that salary for a lead-sup. Also why would someone in that position brag about his pay to his co-workers? Sounds like he is an arrogant supervisor and will lose his job soon if he runs his mouth off like that to his colleagues.

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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:24 am



Mr. Patroni feels your friend is underpaid, especially given Chicago's snowy winters.
 
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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:26 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 11):

If you ask me it sounds totally ridiculous if you are paying that salary for a lead-sup. Also why would someone in that position brag about his pay to his co-workers? Sounds like he is an arrogant supervisor and will lose his job soon if he runs his mouth off like that to his colleagues.

Before we judge this would-be lead sup, we don't know exactly how his co-workers came upon this information. He could have simply told them "I got the lead supervisor job at O'hare with United" and a co-worker could have innocently inquired about the salary, to which he could have very well responded with the exact amount, or just something like "around 125,000."

This of course might lead this person to start telling everyone in the office that this guy got a new job as such and such and is making X amount per year and isn't that just ridiculous and yada yada yada...

We've all worked at some place in our lives where this sort of stupid inter-office politiking went on, and who knows exactly how this information was leaked to the original poster.
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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:09 am

Quoting Comorin (Reply 12):
Mr. Patroni feels your friend is underpaid, especially given Chicago's snowy winters

ROFL!

But can this friend dig out a stuck 707 and chew a cigar at the same time?
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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:44 am

This is definetly "bull-poo", the same job in PHX for HP/US pays 40-45k per year.

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But can this friend dig out a stuck 707 and chew a cigar at the same time?

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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:00 am

Quoting Airwave (Reply 5):
I wonder what some of the bennies are at that income level. Has UA restructured that side of HR yet or not? I recall several professors of mine mentioning that benefits packages can account for anywhere from 30-60% of total compensation, so I wonder how this stacks up.

30-60% is very high for a for-profit company. Even 30% in today's marketplace is considered an excellent fringe. I doubt UA, especially in its current configuration, is compensating above 30% for fringe.
 
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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:00 am

Based on your info, hell no......

I do not believe UA will pay a supervisor 100+ to watch the other sups???

That salary sound more like a manager salary.

But maybe you can give us more info about your buddy, like age, degree, experience......

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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:00 am

They offered me the low 40s range for a RAMP SUPERVISOR for UA in SFO.

It was not enough in my opinion along with the heavy responsibility and the living costs in the Bay Area.

So Ramp Supervisors range at that, I guess, so an Operations Manager might be at , but I feel 125,000 is pretty steep percentage compared to the 40,000 something range of the Ramp Supervisor.

I just dont like dealing with unions and I feel being able to help and give a hand, but I cant touch bags, touch equipment, touch the plane, if the workers have called out sick. Its a lot of responsiblity and you get blamed too often. Thats as the Ramp Supervisor for a typical IAM shop, The ops manager will be blamed directly by the Airport Station Manager.

I think SFO would average 15-20 Ramp Supervisors and perhaps 1-3 Operations Managers.
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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:02 am

I know that the guy worked at NW for 2 years and was fired, forgot why.Then he got a lead spot at OH at MDW, had no clue how to do his job, then the station manager at the time was fired at MDW for a drug test,and he took over the station manager spot at MDW and the whole station is going to hell...
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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:10 am

Quoting Mycrj17 (Reply 19):
I know that the guy worked at NW for 2 years and was fired, forgot why.Then he got a lead spot at OH at MDW, had no clue how to do his job, then the station manager at the time was fired at MDW for a drug test,and he took over the station manager spot at MDW and the whole station is going to hell...

So why would UA want him? This job sounds like one that would go to someone already with the company...
 
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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:01 pm

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 20):

That is the same thing that I said to my girlfriend who still works there....
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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:59 pm

Quoting Mycrj17 (Thread starter):
ex station lead is telling

United would never hire a lead from another airline and pay him $125k.

Your friend is full of crap.
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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:16 pm

Well for one thing, he is not my friend, and I know that he is full of crap(poo) and I would never hire him in the first place...And another thing, when MDW had a meeting for all of the station manager's at MDW for the bids for the gate's, he never went, and told his employee's that the meeting was not important enough to attend and everything would be fine, well OH has no gate for themselves and they have to share with UA and FL, and on occasion F9...
And I know for a fact the he has unpaid fuel and deice bills from the FBO that I work at that he has not paid, and I don't think EV know's about it has of yet..Smart man, he has my vote to make that much money........Not......
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RE: UA $125,000 A Year Job

Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:09 am

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 20):
This job sounds like one that would go to someone already with the company...

United is starting to look outside and elsewhere for Ramp Supervisors and Managers. They have had too many problems in the past with promoting from within (Union ramp workers). They want people who have not been in the union, so they dont create favorites when managing the Union ramp.

When I was at the 2nd interview, all the candidates I was with, never had experience at United Airlines.
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