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Boeing 747-400s

Thu Jun 08, 2000 6:43 pm

When airlines will begin retiring their early 747-400s ?
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RE: Boeing 747-400s

Thu Jun 08, 2000 7:02 pm

With the exception of SIA and maybe BA I don´t expect that any airline will sell earlier 747-400s within the next 5 years when 747Xs, 747stretch and A3XX are on the market.
The 747 is in general the aircraft type that serves longest in any fleet and the "oldest" examples a just 10 years old by now. On top of that no 747-400 operator seems to be in danger of bancruptcy.
SIA already leased out two 744s built in 1989 which are flying with Ansett right now, they still have around 5 on order which will be delivered this year and in 2001. Maybe Ansett will take a few more early 744s of them then...

By the way do you think BA will sell some early 777-200s (non -ER versions) soon? They changed the engine type back to RR recently and the "non -ER-version" is almost out of production already.

RE: Boeing 747-400s

Thu Jun 08, 2000 8:56 pm

I think we will see BA selling non-ER GE90 powered 777-200s soon because from earlier forums I have read, they are not happy with them. They had problems with the GE90s consuming large amounts of oil and other things.
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RE: Boeing 747-400s

Fri Jun 09, 2000 12:25 pm

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RE: Boeing 747-400s

Fri Jun 09, 2000 12:40 pm

I was told a few months ago that Cathay have said that they will start to retire our -400s in around 5 years. However, now that we are so desperately short of aircraft, I'm not so sure. Having said that though, 5 years is a long way away and who knows?!

Rumours are floating around that we may take some of the BA surplus 747-400s, which would be nice.
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RE: Boeing 747-400s

Fri Jun 09, 2000 4:09 pm

Air france might replace its 7474 with 7773 as part of its fleet rationalisation program.

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BA's B777 NON-ERs

Fri Jun 09, 2000 5:55 pm

I don't think BA will sell their five B777-200 NON-ERs soon, as they do a good job on the Persian Gulf routes. I flew on two of them and can tell they are equipped very well (New World Traveller, New First Class), so why retire?
Just because of the GE engines? Not likely, as they have a huge number of -ERs also flying with GEs. Before they retire those, the B742s will go,
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GE90 On 777

Fri Jun 09, 2000 9:33 pm

There's that bullshit GE90 statement again. I'm sure Air France, Lauda, and Continental have taken delivery and continue to take delivery of 777's with GE90's because they want trouble. I've read stats on engine performance in this class as well as the dispatch reliability and the GE90 is a good engine. Period. Anyone who has read (in full) ETOPS requirements and operational requirements of same will realize any engine certified to this standard is a damn fine machine. I am absolutely convinced the only original GE90 customer to change to another engine (BA) did so to get their millions in deposit money back from RR engines bought for 747's changed to 777's. Not to mention the political points to be scored. Look what happened under Robert Ayling's tenure at BA. They bought RR on their 777's and Airbus for their short haul. Coincidence?
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RE: GE90 On 777

Sat Jun 10, 2000 3:43 am

Seeing that no truly suitable replacement won't be fielded until the proposed 747-400X is "set" to take flight in 2002, I would say that no 747-400s will be retired by the airlines for at least another 5 years. I have also heard the CX rumor regarding the retirement of their 747-400s starting in 2005, but seeing their capacity constraints I highly doubt it wil come that early.
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