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US Airways Merger Turbulence

Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:43 pm

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06092/678833-28.stm

Even though the US/HP merger seems like it is going slow, they are encountering some turbulence. Unions are clashing and in the article link posted above it explains about a brawl between the two different Unions and that about 22 members were fired, and even two ended up in the Hospital.

Any thoughts?
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:53 pm

Interesting - but Old News.
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:11 pm

As was said before this is old news and really has nothing to do with the actual merge what it does have to do with is two unions fighting over the possibilty of doubling their union members.

More members equals more money in their pockets.

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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:58 pm

Considering that most of the baggage handling problems that US has stems from the poor work done in PHL, one might suspect that the America West members may focus on getting the PHL mess cleaned up. The "thug" mentality permiates the PHL airport, so its not surprising that a disturbance occurred. Sure wish US had used BWI or PIT as their hub city in the Northeast.
 
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:04 pm

Quoting StarCityFlyr (Reply 3):
The "thug" mentality permiates the PHL airport, so its not surprising that a disturbance occurred.

If you think the "thug" mentality is bad at PHL, look at JFK and BOS!! Much worse!!
 
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:06 pm

Bobnwa...

That's not surprising either. I've not had the opportunity to fly in or out of either BOS or JFK but my experience with PHL tells me it's pretty bad.
 
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:47 am

Doug Parker was very smart, he told the unions to sort this out themselves without any decision on the company. Fact is that the unions for US Airways remind me of organized crime! You should hear some of the crap they say around PHL.
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:08 am

After reading these posts, I called my AW connection and he verified this and other bad union clashes happened. You didn't hear the other stuff. Its going to get worse and more heads will get banged not only in PHL but perhaps in the west. The IAM and Teamsters aren't close to mending the fence yet.
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:07 am

HP/US had better sort these issues out quick. The unions thinking they can go back to prior givebacks is a pipe dream. No wonder the history of airline mergers has been a history of disasters.

If HP/US doesn't get their act together within 18 months, they'll be too easy of a mark for WN, FL, and B6 to grab market share.

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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:11 am

Why should US/HP get involved with who is going to represent the employee's? Isn't that the job of those who are in the union - wasn't there some sort of merger clause included in a contract.
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:13 am

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 9):
Why should US/HP get involved with who is going to represent the employee's? Isn't that the job of those who are in the union - wasn't there some sort of merger clause included in a contract.

I'm sure US/HP would rather NO unions if they had a say.
 
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:14 am

Quoting StarCityFlyr (Reply 3):
Sure wish US had used BWI or PIT as their hub city in the Northeast.

Amen to that! All you have to do is fly through PHL to see how the US union mentality has damaged that carrier over the past five years.
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:20 am

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 9):
wasn't there some sort of merger clause included in a contract.

Yeah, but thats just it. The prevailing carrier is AW and the people will use their unions, BUT the other unions have a right for an election with their name on a ballet to be the union of choice. The other union has to get signatures on a ballet for a vote. This is the sticky part. The IAM goons are telling their members not to sign to get the Teamsters on a ballet. The Teamster goons are telling the IAM folks sign it or...........
Look who is in the middle? The poor AW mechanic who just wants to go to work and do his thing.
See the problem? It just mightl get bigger and the US Dept of Labor will somehow get involved in the future IF violence escalates.
Unions are in a fair battle here but the goons are screwing it up for all involved.
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:31 am

I know this is going to sound very, very bad - please don't take it this way - but the IAM and Teamsters just remind me of the school bully. Always the meat head, kind of common......I'm not being snobby but fighting in a meeting and sending 40 people to the ER just fits that sterotype.
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:33 am

As has been said here earlier, it's just a rotten shame US didn't dump PHL and keep PIT, which most pax preferred, and is less delay-prone anyway....
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:44 am

I agree with you....I had to do a four day trip and everything was through PIT...so much better and the agents who work the flights are GREAT! Wonder why PSA doesn't come over here and train the PHL folks.
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:56 am

The pure connecting hub concept is dead. PIT was the last one (STL another). I don't understand why people think PIT had a chance. It never did. PIT hub was shut down to end the incredibly huge losses associated with it. PHL meanwhile brings in the dollars. I think the hobbyists should launch an airline hub in PIT if they so desire. Have fun.
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:05 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 16):
PHL meanwhile brings in the dollars.

How much money is literally burned away in 45 minute-1 hour taxi lines at PHL every single day at today's fuel prices? And how much revenue is lost by customers who take the competition to avoid going into the mess that is PHL? How much money is lost reaccomodating pax due to misconnects at PHL that wouldn't happen at PIT? How much money is lost on bags that get mishandled or disappear thanks to the incompetent workers at PHL? You can definitely quantify the first number, though USAirways would never admit to it in a financial statement. You can probably NOT quantify the second, as no airline knows the inner thought processes of individuals... I know of at least 2 businesses who stopped all business travel on US because of PHL. The other numbers can be quantified, but once again US would try their hardest not to publish said numbers.

The first step US can take to making PHL worth a damn is a simple one. Fire the great number of incompetent employees there, and start over. Unfortunately, the union won't allow it.

And also, you say "pure connecting hubs can't exist" or whatever... what is CLT?
 
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:29 am

Quoting StarCityFlyr (Reply 3):
Sure wish US had used BWI or PIT as their hub city in the Northeast.

Too late now, US gave up BWI for dead...when WN showed up, US basically tucked tail and ran the other way. Pathetic.

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 14):
As has been said here earlier, it's just a rotten shame US didn't dump PHL and keep PIT, which most pax preferred, and is less delay-prone anyway....

PHL is the 5th largest metropolitan area in the country. That's a huge market to have a nice lock on.

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 16):
The pure connecting hub concept is dead. PIT was the last one (STL another). I don't understand why people think PIT had a chance. It never did.

What defines a pure connecting hub? The Pittsburgh metro area has a larger population than Denver, Cleveland, Cincinnati and Salt Lake City, last I checked 2.5 million people is a real decent O&D market base.
I have to admit I didn't believe it so I checked up on it, I was surprised how big the PIT market is.
 
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:52 am

Tornado82, you are right. PIT is better in many ways. But at the end of the day - including all of the factors you mention - PHL can support a hub and PIT cannot (which is why US pulled out). It simply wasn't worth leasing planes to operate a PIT hub so those planes were returned to their owners during BK. And now PIT has a very appropriate level of service, really nothing to be ashamed of.

Also, a PIT connector hub would compete with DTW/ORD/MSP which are all stronger markets. CLE and CVG, more competition... yuck. Now, PHL fills the connecting hub role on the BOS-SEA or BOS-MCI type flying. PHL will get better, I expect, as HP execs make it their top priority (they do). The new PHL passenger service director is an HP guy. Much baggage system investment has been announced too. So improvements may begin to make PHL into the "jewel" Mr. Parker sees it as.

CLT... it's a largely connecting too, but it's in a sweet spot. Only ATL would challenge CLT. Both share the whole SE USA market. With only 2 hubs in the region, they both do well. Of the regional travel markets, CLT is second best behind ATL (with RDU in third probably).

So it's two pronged, my friend. PIT's situation is not so great. And the idea of leaving PHL's giant market behind is just abhorrent. PHL is a big city and needs to be a hub. If US left (?!), someone else would swoop in. Most likely WN with a 200 flight operation.
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:00 am

What sort of people represent this "thug" mentality people are speaking of?
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:02 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 16):
The pure connecting hub concept is dead. PIT was the last one (STL another).

Ever heard of Cleveland or Memphis?

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 19):
CLT... it's a largely connecting too, but it's in a sweet spot. Only ATL would challenge CLT. Both share the whole SE USA market. With only 2 hubs in the region, they both do well. Of the regional travel markets, CLT is second best behind ATL (with RDU in third probably).

Again, I will bring up MEM, which also competes (albeit on a much smaller scale than ATL and CLT) in the Southeast.
 
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:05 am

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 6):
Fact is that the unions for US Airways remind me of organized crime! You should hear some of the crap they say around PHL.

LOL, The Teamsters ARE whats left of organized crime, the IAM, well, they TRY, that's all.

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 7):
The IAM and Teamsters aren't close to mending the fence yet.

LOL, It's like the Italian Mafia and the Irish Mob...good luck with that (no offense to anyone of either descent).

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 12):
Look who is in the middle? The poor AW mechanic who just wants to go to work and do his thing.
See the problem? It just mightl get bigger and the US Dept of Labor will somehow get involved in the future IF violence escalates.
Unions are in a fair battle here but the goons are screwing it up for all involved.

Like I have posted in another thread, There are several groups of law students (mainly in labor/corporate law) that have formed Anti-IAM groups at the UNiv. of Utah and at UCLA I believe it was. I wish them ALL the success in bringing the IAM down.

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 16):
PHL meanwhile brings in the dollars. I think the hobbyists should launch an airline hub in PIT if they so desire. Have fun.

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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:21 am

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 20):
What sort of people represent this "thug" mentality people are speaking of?

Characteristics of the thug.
1. Ready to solve problems with their fists rather than with words.
2. If the boss or manager ticks you off, slash his tires.
3. If it's not covered by the contact, don't do it.
4. Support the screw up, regardless of how incompetant or dishonest they are.
5. Never inform on a fellow employee even if it involves a capitol crime (murder) in BOS or (hijacking) at JFK.
6. Disrupt by violence any organizing activity by a union other than your own.

I could keep going on, but do you get the picture.
 
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:29 am

I think this is a very interesting quote:

"which has seen its stock rise significantly since the merger and predicts a profit in 2006"
If not now, then when?
 
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 20):
What sort of people represent this "thug" mentality people are speaking of?

From what I read and heard, the people involved in this assault (on the IAM side) were not US employees, but literally hired thugs. A throwback to the bad old days of union infighting.
 
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 19):

So it's two pronged, my friend. PIT's situation is not so great. And the idea of leaving PHL's giant market behind is just abhorrent. PHL is a big city and needs to be a hub. If US left (?!), someone else would swoop in. Most likely WN with a 200 flight operation.

"Leave PHL" is not my point. But if you've got someone who wants to fly say MHT-IND. MHT-PHL-IND is pretty far out of the way, and since PHL sucks nobody will want to do that without a huge price incentive (leading to a US loss of money). MHT-PIT-IND is a rather direct routing, but impossible now as there is no MHT-PIT. So, the business is lost to someone like Continental, MHT-CLE-IND. Now sure someone will say "but the O&D between those two markets is nil" and sure for THOSE two markets, but there are countless combinations you can make that way as well that all add up. Say ERI-SAV maybe? Or BUF-DAY. All kinds of combinations where having a hub in the Great Lakes makes alot more sense than a VERY congested east coast hub, leaving the East coast point (PHL) as more of an O&D specific airport, somewhat like CO @ EWR (which is alot less of a domestic connector than one would think), US @ LGA, US @ DCA, etc.

If you drop a bit of service to make PHL less of a connecting hub, and more of an O&D hub, you've also lost alot of the congestion, hence making PHL a more reliable operation.
 
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:00 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 18):
Too late now, US gave up BWI for dead...when WN showed up, US basically tucked tail and ran the other way. Pathetic.

Not quite true. Ever heard of Metrojet? In retrospect, US probably would have been better served to do as your revisionist history suggests.
 
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:02 am

Quoting Jc2354 (Reply 24):

"which has seen its stock rise significantly since the merger and predicts a profit in 2006"

Nothing wrong about it. There stock has risen VERY significantly (like doubling in less than a year) and they are still predicting profit.
 
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:31 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 26):
"Leave PHL" is not my point. But if you've got someone who wants to fly say MHT-IND. MHT-PHL-IND is pretty far out of the way, and since PHL sucks nobody will want to do that without a huge price incentive (leading to a US loss of money). MHT-PIT-IND is a rather direct routing, but impossible now as there is no MHT-PIT. So, the business is lost to someone like Continental, MHT-CLE-IND. Now sure someone will say "but the O&D between those two markets is nil" and sure for THOSE two markets, but there are countless combinations you can make that way as well that all add up. Say ERI-SAV maybe? Or BUF-DAY. All kinds of combinations where having a hub in the Great Lakes makes alot more sense than a VERY congested east coast hub, leaving the East coast point (PHL) as more of an O&D specific airport, somewhat like CO @ EWR (which is alot less of a domestic connector than one would think), US @ LGA, US @ DCA, etc.

One could find 100s of combinations to satisfy their agenda, but ignore the 1000s that do not.
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:32 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 19):
So it's two pronged, my friend. PIT's situation is not so great. And the idea of leaving PHL's giant market behind is just abhorrent. PHL is a big city and needs to be a hub. If US left (?!), someone else would swoop in. Most likely WN with a 200 flight operation.

All I can say is that it's refreshing to hear the real logic as to why PHL is and PIT is not - and particularly from someone who does not appear to have an emotional and hidden agenda. PHL generates the MOST Revenue AND Profit of any US Airways station. To even suggest that a company in business should abandon that profit center in favor of a "nicer" working environment is abhorrent to the basics of business and to the investor. One should be reminded that US Airways stock price, which is currently at $40, has doubled since exiting from Bankruptcy. Moving PHL to PIT is about as logical as Delta moving ATL to CVG, because ATL has delays and aircraft are burning fuel during taxi delays.

If PHL had one of the best airports in the world, many of the chronic complainers here would still be looking for minuscule flaws. US is a business and if people don't like them, they have many options to fly with someone else. If they don't like PHL, they have many options to use another hub. The best chance for the success of any airline is to place a Major domestic and international hub in a Major city - and Pittsburgh is not a major city no matter how much its supports here want it to be. It's a "nice" city with "nice" people, but was very likely a root cause of USAir's financial instability. As far as union problems are concerned; if the solution is to move the problem Hub to another city, better move BOS, JFK, EWR, LGA, and many others to Pittsburgh.
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:42 am

Quoting Vega (Reply 30):
. PHL generates the MOST Revenue AND Profit of any US Airways station.

Published Proof? If not you're just supporting your agendas also. There's a little airline called Southwest who trashed the hell out of yields in Philly to MANY markets, meanwhile there are LGA, DCA, and CLT without that type of degradation of yields.

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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:52 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 31):
There's a little airline called Southwest who trashed the hell out of yields in Philly to MANY markets,

I am not sure they thrashed them! As like US they also are in business to make money, and like them or not, they are making money while other airlines are not.
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:52 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 28):

I'm predicting I will win the lottery the next two Saturdays in a row.
Wall street does not agree with what USAirways brass dreams.
I believe the wall street airline analyst first, although they have missed their share of predictions.
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:01 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 32):

I am not sure they thrashed them! As like US they also are in business to make money, and like them or not, they are making money while other airlines are not.

It's their business model, I'm not arguing that. What I'm saying is when US is selling same-week unrestricted r/t's for something like $350 PHL-ORD, and $200 PHL-PIT, VS what they'd charge on CLT-PIT, or CLT-ORD which is likely 5-fold or more higher... it's a big difference in yields between Philly and Charlotte, and I'd have a hard time believing they're making less profit in Charlotte, which is their largest hub as well.

Certain members here though would rather bash another member for stating his mind and logic, even if they have to resort to blatent falsehoods to do so in supporting their misguided conceptions which completely go against all common sense.
 
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:02 am

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 33):
Wall street does not agree with what USAirways brass dreams.
I believe the wall street airline analyst first, although they have missed their share of predictions.
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If they're not agreeing, they're still buying up that stock and running up the price of it.
 
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:32 am

When will there be a combined website?

When will there be a combined product?

When will there be common uniforms?
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:42 am

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 36):
When will there be a combined website?

When will there be a combined product?

When will there be common uniforms?

About the same time as when you keep a user name and or ID longer than I do a gallon of milk - kl777jkf, lhr001 and kahala777!
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:55 am

I am a pretty strong union man, but I have ZERO tolerance for the goon-like mentality of these union tactics. US Airways is living on borrowed time IMHO and better eliminate these issues soon.

Regarding PHL, I think it should be made a focus city at most and most ops should be out of PIT. I guess most here think the same thing. PHL is too congested and delays are far too common for no reason at all. And when the weather comes down 3 hour delays are not uncommon. There are many reasons, but PIT would likely be much less susceptible to these same types of delays.

PHL is too close the LGA, EWR and JFK and it is a big cluster f... out there some days.
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:28 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 18):
What defines a pure connecting hub? The Pittsburgh metro area has a larger population than Denver, Cleveland, Cincinnati and Salt Lake City, last I checked 2.5 million people is a real decent O&D market base.

Actually, Greater Cleveland has 3.2 million (Lorain, Cuyahoga, Lake, Ashtabula, Geauga, Summit, Stark, Portage, Medina Counties). It goes up to 3.8 million if you include Trumbull, Mahoning, and Wayne counties. The latter are closer to CAK, but with more destinations out of CLE they tend to take the interstate north.
 
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:18 am

From my own experience I can tell you that the situation facing HP and US rampers is messy at BEST. All I keep hearing is rhedorick from both sides, all talk and NO action(except for fist fights in hotel lobbies). Hp's union has been telling its rampers that they are in talks to get a new contract, and have been saying that for over a year now; there has been absolutely NO progress made whatsoever. HP rampers start at $7.50/hour! wow, what a great union.... no  Also, not to mention that while TWU continues to drag its feet, they seem to concede to HP mgmt.  white by doing nothing to represent their "union brothers" ; however they are pretty good at posting propganda all over the ramp in PHX.

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 19):
CLT... it's a largely connecting too, but it's in a sweet spot. Only ATL would challenge CLT. Both share the whole SE USA market. With only 2 hubs in the region, they both do well. Of the regional travel markets, CLT is second best behind ATL (with RDU in third probably).

What about MEM for NW?

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 20):
What sort of people represent this "thug" mentality people are speaking of?

Well, how about the 25-30 people who got into a fist fight over union representation????

Also, where is a good website I can go to, to look up these metropolitan population figures?
 
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:32 am

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 27):
Not quite true. Ever heard of Metrojet? In retrospect, US probably would have been better served to do as your revisionist history suggests.

What about Metrojet? Perhaps I made it sound pretty instantaneous. I'm aware it took a little while, but the truth of the matter is that WN's appearance at BWI marked the death knell for USAir's (at that time) hub - and dominance - there, in one way or another.

The outcome is still the same. Southwest rules BWI, Airtran is a distant second, and US Airways is (relatively) nowhere to be seen, whereas they held around 50% market share even in the late 90s.
 
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:08 am

What has this country come to...???? Now we have Unions fight with each other. Childish if you ask me. Fighting is not going to get anyone anywhere fast except to jail. Please can't we all get along act like adults and not children in kindrgarten. I'm shocked at this.
 
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 42):
What has this country come to...???? Now we have Unions fight with each other. Childish if you ask me. Fighting is not going to get anyone anywhere fast except to jail. Please can't we all get along act like adults and not children in kindrgarten. I'm shocked at this.

Being in Michigan what is truly a Union State just how can you be shocked at this behavior?
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:13 am

I should not be. But, this kind of stuff has to stop. This not only makes the employees look bad, but the airline to.
 
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:22 pm

Surprisingly employee morale is up a lot. Of course on the west side we were pretty happy to begin with, not much complaining out of us. I know even in PHL a lot of employees are quite embarrassed by what happened at the hotel. Most certainly don't condone that kind of behavior and are glad people got fired. Doug is a good guy, he's taking care of us.
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:27 pm

This has nothing to do with the employees or the company. This is all about the leaders of the unions, their greed, and the disgusting way that they do business.
 
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:33 pm

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 46):
This is all about the leaders of the unions, their greed, and the disgusting way that they do business.

Good point but I don't necessarily agree with it. The unions do not condone behavior like that either. It was basically a select group of employees who were pissed off and took action into their own hands. The union themselves did not authorize the attacks.
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:36 pm

Another great example of union brilliance in Philadelphia (I could post a few dozen links if anyone wanted, but this one takes the cake).

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/14131612.htm
 
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RE: US Airways Merger Turbulence

Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:49 am

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 47):
Good point but I don't necessarily agree with it. The unions do not condone behavior like that either. It was basically a select group of employees who were pissed off and took action into their own hands. The union themselves did not authorize the attacks.

I would beg to differ. These thugs obviously had a vested interest in who would represent the combined employees. The only vested interest they could have with respect to the representation would involve either money or power. I am sure that the union would disavow authorization, but somebody must have thought is was very important to commit felony assault and battery. Someone at the top of the union not only authorized but actively promoted this most basic form of intimidation.

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