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Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:18 am

Why is it that none of the major US carriers fly to Iceland? I would think this would be a popular spot to visit during the summer tourist season. At the very least Icelandair should be part of one of the major alliances so people could connect to them. Anyone's thoughts on this?
 
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:20 am

Quoting CIDflyer (Thread starter):
Anyone's thoughts on this?

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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:27 am

Icelandair has the gap for the market covered and let's face it no other carrier could send anything mor than a dash-8 and still make money.
 
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:29 am

The US-Iceland market is rather limited - a large percentage of pax travelling on flights between the US and Iceland are connecting to/from flights from European destinations........some pax stopover in Iceland for a day or so, others simply connect. Icelandair has the market covered, and the market is too small to interest a US carrier. Pan Am flew to Iceland for years, once or twice per week, with 707s and later 747s, the flight orignated at JFK, continued to Iceland, and then went on to either Glasgow and/or destinations in Scandanavia; it was dropped in the early 1970s after the first fuel crisis. I think that NW tried service to Iceland very briefly, after they picked up unused authorities to Europe and started service from JFK and BOS to Northern Europe and Scandanavia......the service to Iceland did not last very long.

I did the stopover thing in Iceland about 10 years ago.......I found the country interesting and beautiful, great for a stopover but not much to do after a couple of days, unless one is really into nature. Its a small country, small population......and tourist facilities were somewhat limited. Its simply not a mainstream tourist destination.

That being said, low fare service between London and Iceland was introduced a couple of years ago, and it was a success, so anything can happen?! In general, a destinaton that cannot support daily service in/out of a hub is of limited interest to US carriers.
 
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:29 am

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 1):
The search button is your closest freind.

Seriously, if you are going to suggest that, please at least be helpful and provide a link to the so called discussion, because when I DID search, this is what I came up with

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...arriers+to+iceland&search_order=id

basically, "Sorry, but we were unable to find any matching posts.
Please check your spelling and read the help section below." So obviously I was not able to find anything. thanks

[Edited 2006-04-03 02:30:15]

[Edited 2006-04-03 02:31:38]
 
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:31 am

Traffic to/from Iceland is very specific. Icelandair has the important routes quite well covered, and has several inter-line agreements with airlines in the U.S.

Iceland has less than a million people and is NOT a prime destination for sun seekers - except perhaps in summer when it is daylight for virtually 24 hours. It is also a fairly expensive place, as most things obviously have to be imported.

If you fly Icelandair, you can get a free stopover from the airline, and maybe some kind of a deal on hotel package. Iceland is an amazing place to visit, but it is quite different from anywhere else, and as such, simply does not have the high demand that other places will have.
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:15 am

I would think Continental could do a couple times a week EWR-KEF 73G ? Although that sounds like an expensive operation.

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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:35 pm

From the O&D perspective, because it isn't a sunny hotspot and is enormously expensive with fewer than 300,000 residents, FI can cover traffic easily, especially with the US where there is less ecotravel interest than Europe. In theory, KEF could act between the US and Europe as DXB does between Europe and Asia. However, several problems exist.
A) Fuel prices are making it increasingly more difficult to have prices low enough to warrant a stopover in Iceland.
B) KEF is a full 45 minutes from Reykjavik and, though it's a nice and modern airport, is not particularly exciting.
c) Iceland is a wealthy country to be sure, but oil money allowed lots of opportunity investment for DXB and Emirates allowing them to establish a product. The same goes for SQ and Changi even further back. Even so, the FI group has made significant investments in airlines like easyJet, Sterling, and Finnair and has attempted a majority ownership of Finnair (hasn't gone through because the Finnish government is hesitant of overseas ownership) and even attempted a full buyout of AeroMexico and Mexicana when they went up for sale. The company has purchased 15 737-800s for leasing purposes and has 2 788s on the way in hopes of creating an attractive US-Europe product. Basically, FI is trying to diversify as much as possible in hopes of staging a threat to trans-atlantic travel, but as of now Iceland is too small to support such an investment. Time will tell.
 
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:17 pm

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 5):

Iceland has less than a million people

Actually just over a quarter of that - according to the CIA:

Quote:
Population 296,737 (July 2005 est.)

. Geneva (the city, not the Canton) has more than that, and the only reason we have two (JFK and EWR) flights is because of the UN business!
 
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:17 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 3):
I think that NW tried service to Iceland very briefly, after they picked up unused authorities to Europe and started service from JFK and BOS to Northern Europe and Scandanavia......the service to Iceland did not last very long.

NWA never flew to Iceland!!!
 
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:27 pm

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 9):

NWA never flew to Iceland!!!

Seriously, go back to the period when NW first introduced service to Europe, most of the routes were ex JFK and BOS to Scotland and the Scandic countries....we are talking in the 1970s.......before hubs, etc. NW flew a bunch of bizarre routes to Europe that did not last very long and KEF was among the destinations served.....it lasted only a few months.
 
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:52 pm

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 9):
NW flew a bunch of bizarre routes to Europe that did not last very long and KEF was among the destinations served.....it lasted only a few months.



I know the period you which you are refering. Northwest never flew to Iceland during any period.
 
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:02 pm

I can think of three main reasons why no US carriers fly to Iceland ...


1 / yield
2 / yield
3 / yield

Icelandair have carved out a nice niche for themselves based on giving an Iceland stopover to connecting traffic from Europe to USA and vv , in contrast a US carrier would be relying a lot more on O&D traffic between the US and Iceland ... not a huge market
 
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:30 pm

Iceland's population as of the December 2005 census was 299,404. That's just smaller than the Killeen-Temple metro area in Texas, which is currently served only by CoEx and AAEagle.

That should answer your question.
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:42 pm

I'd really like to see them add one more route, preferably an ORD/MKE/DTW flight, but yeah...there's really no point in any American airline offering service.

 
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:07 am

I dont think Iceland is a good market to open at the moment. The economy seems to be in a bit of trouble acording the Sunday newspapers in the UK
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:30 am

Quoting CIDflyer (Thread starter):
Why is it that none of the major US carriers fly to Iceland?

Because it too cold.....Ice land say it all...lol

I think US carrier are waiting for global warming to take place before they come ice land  Smile

On serious node I don't think USA and ice land generates that many passengers.
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:37 am

I think there was a surge of US visitors to Iceland was when Playboy had a women of Iceland pictorial and article, or something like that.  Smile
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:41 am

Quoting AirA380 (Reply 16):
Because it too cold.....Ice land say it all...lol

I think US carrier are waiting for global warming to take place before they come ice land Smile

To be a total smartass for a minute, Iceland is a single word. Iceland. Not Ice Land. Also, Iceland sits smack dab in the middle of the gulf stream meaning winters are cool with barely any permanent snow and summers are comfortably warm without being too hot. To be a further smartass, global warming would mean the gulf stream would cease to flow meaning Iceland would turn into an icecube in a matter of years.
Per capita, tourist numbers in Iceland are similar to Spain, France, the UK, and all other major tourist countries in Europe thanks to Reykjavik which is a phenomenal city to visit, even though it is rather small, a very developed tourist infrastructure, and myriad natural wonders found nowhere else in Europe. Tourist numbers have been increasing 10%+ each year so don't count it out as the Siberia of Scandinavia.
Still, Iceland remains more of a destination for Europeans than Americans which is one reason you don't see US Airlines flying to Iceland.
 
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:50 pm

Quoting IcelandairMSP (Reply 18):
To be a total smartass for a minute, Iceland is a single word

Totally agree with your thread! You should have suggested that he go visit 'Greenland' instead
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:30 pm

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 4):

Oh really? Because I remember distinctly a topic on this a few months back... and why should I be searching for YOU anyway? (lol)  Smile
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:15 am

I was in Keflavik last month. I was checking out the deicing service for the new BA service there from LGW. It was 5 Mar and the deicing trucks were at the back of the garage. We haven't used them since last year! said my man. So mild it is in the winter, but it is also mild in the summer. Amazing place. No trees, and black volcanic rock everywhere.
You have to be an outdoor type to appreciate the views and the glaciars, the beer ic too expensive!
 
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:37 am

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 1):
The search button is your closest freind.

I don't understand what the big deal is.

The people who are so quick to yell: "This has already been discussed."

So what? If you don't want to read the post, no one is making you.
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 20):
Oh really? Because I remember distinctly a topic on this a few months back... and why should I be searching for YOU anyway? (lol)

Well, really, I don't remember or recall seeing that, and as I said I did a search and did not come up with anything. I have also seen numerous threads where others provide the link, its a matter of being helpful to others on this site interested in the topic.
I can understand if the post was recently like same day or a week, but when it was months ago (supposedly) that is a different matter.

Quoting N702ML (Reply 22):
I don't understand what the big deal is.

The people who are so quick to yell: "This has already been discussed."

So what? If you don't want to read the post, no one is making you.

Thank you N702ML, my sentiments exactly!  Smile
 
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:48 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):
Seriously, go back to the period when NW first introduced service to Europe, most of the routes were ex JFK and BOS to Scotland and the Scandic countries....we are talking in the 1970s.......before hubs, etc. NW flew a bunch of bizarre routes to Europe that did not last very long and KEF was among the destinations served.....it lasted only a few months.



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 11):
I know the period you which you are refering. Northwest never flew to Iceland during any period.

It was on the route map in 1979.
Boston-Reykjavik-Glasgow
Worst route maps ever.
Asterisk. Authorized routes. Not operated routes.

In addition to Reykjavik, it also showed Helsinki, Bergen, Stavanger and Goteborg....cities they did not serve.

Also showed Los Angeles-Glasgow, Hong Kong-Okinawa, Portland-Hilo, Chicago-Copenhagen, and JFK-Anchorage among other bogus routes.

Half the routes on this map didn't exist. But they did have what I consider the most classic DC10 route ever, SEA-GEG-GTF-BIL-ORD-DTW-EWR.
Yep, on a 10!

But they didn't stinkin' serve Iceland!
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:53 am

I think this this topic has been well covered, especially by IcelandAirMSP...

I was in Iceland summer before last...

It is a country everyone should visit at least once in their life. Anyway, I did not find their summer weather "warm" by any definition (but I loved the weather anyway).

Anyway, during the high season, my U.S. to Iceland roundtrip tickets were quite expensive. Therefore during the summer I do not believe yield is a problem. Iceland is becoming more popular for U.S. travelers, even though it is still off the beaten path per say. I met plenty of Americans there. I know CO could do very well with a 757 from EWR. During the summer I am convinced there is U.S. demand to Iceland. But it would NEVER work, cause there is only enough traffic during the summer. It just wouldn't be practical serving KEF only for the months of June, July, and August.
 
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:50 pm

We frequently use Iceland as a service stop for aircraft delivery ferries to and from Europe and the USA.
It only takes five years to go from rumor to standard operating procedure.
 
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:06 pm

Just thinking that too....... Iceland.................great place to stop for fuel

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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:44 pm

Quoting Klwright69 (Reply 25):
It is a country everyone should visit at least once in their life. Anyway, I did not find their summer weather "warm" by any definition (but I loved the weather anyway).

I was there for four days last April. Brilliant country, nice people, and to save money eat fast food each day  Smile ... Everyone speaks English and the landscape is like another planet. Strongly recommended! Icelandair are also very good!
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:12 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 24):
But they didn't stinkin' serve Iceland!

Thanks for the reinforcement!!
 
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RE: Why No US Carriers To Iceland?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:36 pm

My family and I did Iceland two summers ago... during the $57 round trip fare from JFK offered on Icelandair... or mistakenly offered on Icelandair.

Really enjoyed the experience in Iceland. The scenery is fantastic. We stayed in a bed and breakfast guest house... and had fantastic drives through the countryside.

It reminded me of a huge Volcanic National Park... like driving around a very cold version of Hawaii. We went the weekend of the Summer Solstice... so it was barely dark a couple of hours per day.

We had three sun filled days .... The flowers, volcanic and ocean colors were fantastic. I recommend it to anyone... but the value of the trip will be at the mercy of the weather.

Gasoline was around $6 per gallon. Food, lodging, and rental cars were all very expensive.

Given the seasonal economics, I can understand why no US airlines fly there. I guess I am a little surprised that U.S airlines have not at least negotiated to code share or FF tie-in with Icelandair to KEF. They only tie with SAS in Europe.