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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:20 pm

Omg. That's incredible... It doesn't look as dangerous as the Boeing fans like to tote...
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:24 pm

Jump Jump Jump.
What a escape way under the other slide
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:28 pm

They just need to add water jets to make those slides more fun.

Quoting PyroGX41487 (Reply 1):
It doesn't look as dangerous as the Boeing fans like to tote

I could see a few people go bouncing off of the second level slides. They should add some sort of a landing area attachment at the end of them. I would be interested to see how fast someone will come down these upper slides. I figure one of the more Physics minded members can figure out that equation for us.
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:35 pm

Yeah, that over-wing exit is interesting.
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:37 pm

I still feel they should have not been able to deploy the slides before starting nor used just one side for evactuation. It should have been mixed up just like in real life.
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:37 pm

Thank you for the links Kaitak744.

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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:39 pm

I think that overwing exit is the most interesting. Going under the other two? I wonder how its deployed.

But honestly, those slides do look pretty safe. Remember, there weren't that many injuries in the evac test.
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:48 pm

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 5):
nor used just one side for evactuation.

Using one side for evacuation is rather realistic, because often fire is only on one side (engine burning). BTW this is not new for the 380 evacuation tests, it was the same for all newer other planes (777, 340 etc.).
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:08 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 5):
I still feel they should have not been able to deploy the slides before starting nor used just one side for evactuation. It should have been mixed up just like in real life.

Only the upper deck slides were pre-deployed. Furthermore, the doors upper-deck have a "hesitation" built into it to slow down its opening since the evacuation slides are mounted on the inside of the aircraft.
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:10 am

Looks like the top deck slides would be a fun ride.

I wonder why they did not use one of the flight testing aircraft for this test, like number 1?
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:14 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 10):

I wonder why they did not use one of the flight testing aircraft for this test, like number 1?

Because this particular a/c has a full cabin layout. These trials take place in Hamburg.
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:18 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 10):
I wonder why they did not use one of the flight testing aircraft for this test, like number 1?

Because they aren't fitted with an interior. This one will join the flight tests too, BTW.
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:36 am

Boarding of A-380 pre-evac where the rest of the doors are hidden by cardboard boxes and a black curtain.

http://events.airbus.com/A380/Images/MME/3772.JPG


Additional "ground view" of deployed evacuation slides after the evacuation:

http://events.airbus.com/A380/Images/MME/3774.JPG

[Edited 2006-04-03 17:37:19]
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:43 am

What would happen if the engine were still running after the crash landing?

Would the escaping passangers get sucked into the engine?  spin 

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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:08 am

Quoting BradWray (Reply 14):
What would happen if the engine were still running after the crash landing?

In the extremely unlikely event that occured, I'm sure cutting the fuel flow is on the checklist before the pilots evacuate the cockpit. The main goal would be fire prevention, but it would also ensure engine shutdown.

Anyone notice the numbers on the volunteers? Some over 1,000. I'm assuming thats the result of having several hundred extras ready to go if needed (though that many extras seems a bit excessive). Either that, or did the numbering system have a significance (classification of passenger, seating area, etc.)?

[Edited 2006-04-03 19:10:11]
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:08 am

Quoting BradWray (Reply 14):
Would the escaping passangers get sucked into the engine?

Only the first dozens. Big grin
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:27 am

It Looks so fun. I wish I could have taken part in the tests Smile!

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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:47 am

Quoting Dw747400 (Reply 15):
Anyone notice the numbers on the volunteers?

I especially like the volunteer number "747"  Big grin
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:48 am

Awesome pics! I'm really impressed by the design of the slides and how they found room on the ground for all those wide slides!
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:01 am

Quoting Golftango (Reply 18):
Quoting Dw747400 (Reply 15):
Anyone notice the numbers on the volunteers?

I especially like the volunteer number "747"

I think these folks are PR plants for Boeing! 747 .... 735....I think I see a partially hidden 727....

Now if Boeing had only made a 757-500, a 757-600, and a 727-900...  wink 
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:12 am

Impressive, to say the least.

One question, though.

Can the lower-deck overwing exit be deployed AFTER the upper deck ones? It must be able to right? Otherwise, it would seem like a pretty stupid problem, if for some reason the upper-deck FA's are quicker to react.

Also, did anyone else notice that the slides have runway markings painted on them? They are all grey with the white dotted line down the middle, and the upper deck ones have threshold lines on them. Is this for fun, or do the markings serve a purpose (I know the dotted lines are so that two people can use it at once, but is the threshhold there just for kicks? Or it is useful for telling someone where the end of the slide comes?)

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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 21):
Also, did anyone else notice that the slides have runway markings painted on them? They are all grey with the white dotted line down the middle, and the upper deck ones have threshold lines on them.

I think they are friction pads that slow people down as they exit the slides. They apparently also cause nasty burns!  Wow!

[Edited 2006-04-03 21:23:58]
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:24 am

Quoting Longhaulheavy (Reply 4):
Yeah, that over-wing exit is interesting.

More like, painful.  Sad
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:34 am

It's still amazing they got that many off the plane in the alotted time...

My faults with how they did it..? ( not picking on Airbus, just in general)

*Only the right hand doors were used so it made evacuation easier with everyone moving in the same direction. No confusion..there should have been some to the left, some to the right.

*Only health club-gym members were picked so you had very healthy, very active people

*By entering in the light, they already knew what doors would most likely not be used....they should have boarded thru a tunnel.. just like a jetway.

*The slides were pre-deployed, so time was saved there waiting for inflation.

Again.. I'm not pointing my finger at Airbus. This is a general statement.

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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:46 am

Looks like too many points of possible failure to me...

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 21):
Can the lower-deck overwing exit be deployed AFTER the upper deck ones? It must be able to right? Otherwise, it would seem like a pretty stupid problem, if for some reason the upper-deck FA's are quicker to react.

Very good question...
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:54 am

Quoting MarkHKG (Reply 13):

Why were they hiding the rear of the A380 and using carboard boxes.

Also why are the windows taped up, as well as the cockpit windows.

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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:58 am

Quoting PyroGX41487 (Reply 7):
Going under the other two? I wonder how its deployed.

Probably first.  Wink
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:58 am

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 26):
Why were they hiding the rear of the A380 and using carboard boxes.

They may have brought volunteers in around that way, blocking the underside so they couldnt see which slides were deployed.

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 26):
Also why are the windows taped up, as well as the cockpit windows.

So they could use the low level emergency lighting in the cabin, to correspond with the regulations of the test.
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:19 am

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 26):
Why were they hiding the rear of the A380 and using carboard boxes.

Also why are the windows taped up, as well as the cockpit windows.

So they could not see the predeployed slides.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 24):
*The slides were pre-deployed, so time was saved there waiting for inflation.

I heard that they deducted time for slide deployment from the evacuation.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 24):
*By entering in the light, they already knew what doors would most likely not be used....they should have boarded thru a tunnel.. just like a jetway.

From the pic posted in one of the replies, you can see that the rear and back of the aircraft is hidden.
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:25 am

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 21):
Can the lower-deck overwing exit be deployed AFTER the upper deck ones? It must be able to right? Otherwise, it would seem like a pretty stupid problem, if for some reason the upper-deck FA's are quicker to react.

Look closely. I was wondering the same thing at first but it doesn't look like that would be necessary. the overwing exit is deployed from the first deck and goes straight back against the fuselage. I'm fairly certain that the overwing slide deployment path wouldnt cross with the upper deck slide..
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:31 am

Wouldn't the 'passerngers' see what exits were open as they walked by while boarding the aircraft before the test? Was there some measure to prevent this?
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:34 am

Quoting Moose1226 (Reply 31):
Wouldn't the 'passerngers' see what exits were open as they walked by while boarding the aircraft before the test? Was there some measure to prevent this?

None of the exits were open, iirc. The slides were predeployed but the doors were closed.
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:06 am

I wonder if there's also going to be a test where all the doors on one of the decks will be sealed
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:16 am

Quoting BradWray (Reply 14):
What would happen if the engine were still running after the crash landing?

After the Tenerife, Canary Islands crash between Pan Am and KLM 747's, some surivivors who escaped the Pan Am plane were sucked into the still spinning engines. This was mentioned on the recent National Geographic Channel's Seconds from Distaster.

The engines spin for a long time after they are running at full thrust. Even after crashing they still spin.
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:31 am

Quoting Bobster2 (Reply 34):
some surivivors who escaped the Pan Am plane were sucked into the still spinning engines.

What a way to die. You just survived a crash of some sort and then get off the plane!!! Ouch. I can only imagine and honestly never thought of this. If by the emerg exit by the front of an engine I may just have to hang back and "help" people off until I know it is ok...
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:46 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 24):
*Only the right hand doors were used so it made evacuation easier with everyone moving in the same direction. No confusion..there should have been some to the left, some to the right.

That is how tests are supposed to be conducted. In a real life situation, one side of the aircraft may be on fire, so passengers are only allowed to escape from one side.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 24):
*
*Only health club-gym members were picked so you had very healthy, very active people.

Well..., one more good reason to stay fit!!  Big grin

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 24):
*
*By entering in the light, they already knew what doors would most likely not be used....they should have boarded thru a tunnel.. just like a jetway.

The deployed slides were blocked with boxes and a huge screen, as you can see from Reply 13. Windows were taped up too so they cannot look outside and the cabin is dark as well to better simulate emergency test lighting.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 24):
*
*The slides were pre-deployed, so time was saved there waiting for inflation.

Again.. I'm not pointing my finger at Airbus. This is a general statement
.

They deducted the deployment time from the test.

Quoting SMF757 (Reply 25):
Looks like too many points of possible failure to me...

Care to name them?
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:55 am

Quoting Bobster2 (Reply 34):
were sucked into the still spinning engines

Bobster, are you certain that's what they said on the show? I watched the program too and I don't remember them mentioning that at all. (I might have forgotten though.) All I remember them saying was that the engine was still turning.

The official accident report does not mention passengers being sucked into the engine...

http://www.project-tenerife.com/engels/PDF/Spanish_report.PDF

"According to the survivors...the left engines were still turning, and there was a fire under the wing on this side. A large number of passengers escaped off this wing, jumping from it to the grass."
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:56 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 24):

*The slides were pre-deployed, so time was saved there waiting for inflation.

Only the upper-deck slides were pre-deployed. These doors have escape slides mounted inside the aircraft (rather than the door) and these doors have a built-in delay so they do not fully open until the slides deploys. There was no additional benefit to these exits being pre-deployed other than the added safety value.
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:58 am

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 21):
Is this for fun, or do the markings serve a purpose

I cannot believe they would implement any "fun" in something (the slides) which is supposed to be life-saving in an emergency evacuation.. Or they should install PTV, a live-action photo camera so the passengers are able to buy pictures for their family albums and the earlier mentioned water sprays..

Quinten

Edit: Very nice pictures btw!

[Edited 2006-04-04 00:59:38]
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:12 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 24):
It's still amazing they got that many off the plane in the alotted time...

My faults with how they did it..? ( not picking on Airbus, just in general)

*Only the right hand doors were used so it made evacuation easier with everyone moving in the same direction. No confusion..there should have been some to the left, some to the right.

*Only health club-gym members were picked so you had very healthy, very active people

*By entering in the light, they already knew what doors would most likely not be used....they should have boarded thru a tunnel.. just like a jetway.

*The slides were pre-deployed, so time was saved there waiting for inflation.

Ask the FAA or the European Civil Aviation Authority. These rules are the same for all new aircrafts and not special for the A 380. Also the the 777 had the same procedures for evacuation tests.
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:23 am

Quoting MarkHKG (Reply 37):
are you certain that's what they said on the show?

There are two reruns coming up this week. We'll have to check and see exactly what they said.

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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:39 am

Quoting Bobster2 (Reply 41):
There are two reruns coming up this week. We'll have to check and see exactly what they said.

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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:43 am

I am curious about the overwing slide, in a scenario where a plane ditched or even just run off a runway into even shallow water you are going to get a situation where evacuees are exiting down a slide into water and may be unable to surface due to the 2 other slides that are over that area.
A 2nd issue I have is if that upperdeck slide only partially deploys, fails to inflate etc it would be hanging down blocking the overwing slide.
I guess that is why evacuation must be certified with half the exits unusable but does it make sense to be building points of failure INTO the system?

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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:04 am

Quoting 4xRuv (Reply 33):
I wonder if there's also going to be a test where all the doors on one of the decks will be sealed

iirc, the 2 decks were tested as 2 seperate aircraft cabins. so, it is unlikey that they will be evac testing with only lower deck doors, etc...
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:27 am

Whether or not the tests are conducted in the US or in Europe by Boeing or Airbus, to me they are irrelevant. Like it has been mentioned previously, only health club members were used and it's quite obvious by the volunteers you see in the photo that they all are able to exit the aircraft fairly easily.

Personally I just don't see a real evacuation happening that fast. In a real situation especially in the US, you're going to have overweight people (no offense to anyone) trying to squeeze their big behinds out of those doors and down the slides. Also you're probably going to have selfish people who have packed pretty much everything but the kitchen sink and carried it onto the airplane with them, reaching into overheads or under the seat because what they have in their bag is far more valuable than a fellow passenger's life.

Others may feel differently but to me, these tests hold very little weight.
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:34 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Kaitak744

K744, great pics. I gotta say though the slides look the the interchange to The 405.

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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:07 pm

Quoting Rdwelch (Reply 46):
K744, great pics. I gotta say though the slides look the the interchange to The 405.

Gus

Well thanks. Just to clear some things up, I didn't take those pictures my self. They are linked off of the website of EADS (European Aeronautical Defense Systems). EADS is the parent company of Airbus.
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:24 pm

Any evacuation is dangerous.
 
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RE: A380 Evacuation Pics

Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:30 pm

Quoting MarkHKG (Reply 42):
What would we do without TiVo?!

Use VCRs like we've been doing for a couple decades or so.

Quoting Jerry911 (Reply 48):
Any evacuation is dangerous.

That's assuming you get to evacuate from a plane that size.  stirthepot 
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