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A350 Cabin Mock May Tip The Orders To Airbus

Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:12 am

Wow..The cabine interior Mock up certainly looks good, it will launch this week....Maybe a concern for 787...What's your thought...check out the pics on the link below!!!

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...+cabin+interiors+mock-up+this.html

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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:15 am

We've seen this before I believe in another thread. I doubt it will sway any orders. Most likely the cabin will not look like that and it will be up to the airlines on the seating arrangements, seats, IFE, etc. Looks very plasticy to me. The 787 interior is just as innovative.

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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:16 am

The cabin looks nice, but there's no feature which Boeing couldn't adapt to the B787.


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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:18 am

I like the projection system..

What the hell is that circular thing for. I would say, look for those seats to change.. I bet into something more traditional. I don't understand the part about business/economy class.. are they saying you can put 3 rolling bags per person in business and 2 rolling bags per person in economy? If that's the case.. well aiight then. If not, then I'm confused..

well, at least here in the States, the standard luggage is the rolling bags.
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:20 am

Looks like a bunch of dentist chairs. And they have that 60's high school gym locker color scheme.

Will they be continuously playing Pink Floyd during the cieling light show? Toke up, it's time for the light show!

Maybe just on KLM.

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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:21 am

Interiors are not exclusive to aircraft. They don't sway customers, as the customers can adapt the same concept to their other models.

9 abreast would sway customers. Seeing that picture with light blue 8 abreast seats, I don't get how that is supposed to be the "tipping point" of any decision...
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:21 am

Honestly this isn't all that much different from what Boeing did 18 months back with the initial Dreamliner cabin concepts. A lot of cool, somewhat pie in the sky, concepts.

Beyond more fixed things like side panels and overhead bins, it will be ultimately up to the individual carriers whether or not items like the "mood lighting" or fancy seats make it in.


Though those Y-class seats are pretty interesting, but I doubt we'd see anything like that in service.
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:22 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
The cabin looks nice, but there's no feature which Boeing couldn't adapt to the B787.

Broadly speaking the same could said for airbus where airbus can adopt High % of composite materials as Boeing. Boeing 50% & airbus 39% of total weight
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:24 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):
I like the projection system..

its Awsome....Good lighting and coloure always makes me feel comfortable and happy...thats just me  Wink
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:25 am

I tell you what would be cool.. and that is if they could project their flightpath on the ceiling.. As you move closer to your destination, the flight path would move closer to the front door.. Hehehehe.. very cool..
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:28 am

Quoting Remcor (Reply 4):
Looks like a bunch of dentist chairs. And they have that 60's high school gym locker color scheme.


What goes around comes aroud...this phrase is well known in fasion industry..it will be designed by BMW 


Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
9 abreast would sway customers. Seeing that picture with light blue 8 abreast seats, I don't get how that is supposed to be the "tipping point" of any decision...

Boeing is just playing with the effective Cabin width number...its only 4 inch bigger..thats all....you can't put seat in 4 inch of space...

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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:29 am

No unique passenger ammenities and the fundamental situation reamains, which is that the 787 has a significantly larger cabin, higher cabin pressure, and larger windows. (It's also faster, more capacious, has better fuel efficiency, and will enter service 2.5-3 years sooner) Interesting to see that the Airbus response to all of that is "mood lighting"?


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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:35 am

I've seen that cloud ceiling before...at Paris-Las Vegas, The Venetian and Caesars Palace Forum Shops, only the slots are missing.




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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:39 am

Quoting AirA380 (Reply 10):
Boeing is just playing with the effective Cabin width number...its only 4 inch bigger..thats all....you can't put seat in 4 inch of space...

If that bit of mis-information you carry with you helps you sleep at night, I'm not going to challenge it. Whoops, I just did.  Wink
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:39 am

Quoting AirA380 (Reply 10):
Boeing is just playing with the effective Cabin width number...its only 4 inch bigger..thats all....you can't put seat in 4 inch of space...

That is at the A350's widest point, and the seats aren't at the proper level to take advantage of that. (I think it is somewhere around the seat bottom or shoulder height or something where max cabin width should be) Anyways, airlines wouldn't be fooled into believing they could do an extra seat if it was truly only 4 inches wider where it mattered. Also the ovoid shape of the 787 allows seats to be put much closer to the wall without the passenger feeling cramped in. Widebodyphotog had a good picture showing the cross section overlays with the numbers for the varying widths at certain points. Perhaps he can share that again?
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:43 am

Well, I'd say that the 787 mockup was derided by many who said it was meaningless and the airlines would do what they wanted.

I'd also say that the extra space in the 787 may allow for another seat in some configurations but the A350 may be a few inches too short for the same ability. Either way it's moot.

The mockup only sells the sizzle, the steak is the hard numbers. It appears that the A350 is ahead of the 787 in one key area.....delivery slots available. The problem is that they're only available 3 years after the 787 is projected to be flying passengers.
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:46 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
It appears that the A350 is ahead of the 787 in one key area.....delivery slots available.

How significant is the Boeing production increase in increasing delivery slot times? Or are the current slot based on the increased production schedule?
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:48 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
Well, I'd say that the 787 mockup was derided by many who said it was meaningless and the airlines would do what they wanted.

Yep, and the seats were just as unrealistic and the colors just as icky and the ceiling just as vegas and I doubt it swayed any buyers, either.

But the premise of those threads wasn't that somehow they were going to cause carriers to come running with big checks, either.

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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:49 am

Quoting AirA380 (Thread starter):
Wow..The cabine interior Mock up certainly looks good, it will launch this week....Maybe a concern for 787...What's your thought...check out the pics on the link below!!!

Do you honestly believe that something as easily adaptable as the interior would sway an airline towards the A350 over the other, far more compelling reasons to choose a 787?

Quoting AirA380 (Reply 7):
Broadly speaking the same could said for airbus where airbus can adopt High % of composite materials as Boeing. Boeing 50% & airbus 39% of total weight
It is not a question can or would...but will they do it.

The big difference is not how much the two manufacturers utilize composites, but where it is utilized, and how it changes the manufacturing processes.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
The mockup only sells the sizzle, the steak is the hard numbers. It appears that the A350 is ahead of the 787 in one key area.....delivery slots available. The problem is that they're only available 3 years after the 787 is projected to be flying passengers.

This point would be negated if Boeing elects to double production capacity.
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:49 am

I like the 787 interior mock up better. It clearly featured a vase full of flowers at each door. I personally intend to fly on the airline that features the vase of flowers.
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:50 am

Quoting AirA380 (Thread starter):
Maybe a concern for 787...What's your thought...check out the pics on the link below!!!

Carriers do not purchase a/c based on the looks of the cabin but on the effictive costs of flying the a/c... They never have and never should.

How would it be a concern? How many A350 sales this yr compared to the 787?

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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:50 am

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 19):
I like the 787 interior mock up better. It clearly featured a vase full of flowers at each door. I personally intend to fly on the airline that features the vase of flowers.

Hahaha.. they should have put a apple pie cooling at each window too!
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:51 am

From the link:

Quote:

The cabin's new overhead bins are large enough to fit more than two standard roller bags per passenger in business class (pictured below) and more than one per economy passenger, the manufacturer adds.

Now this is something that matters to pax. Avoid checked luggage and life is better!  bigthumbsup 

But isn't Boeing also going all out on the 787 for overhead bin capacity too? Does anyone have a link with details.

As to the seats, what *tiny* PTV is designed into them? And why aren't the magazines moved upward to give more knee room? Since I know every airline will pick its own colors, that part doesn't phase me. Ok, so I have a definitive opinion where seat design should be going in coach. Once you see a concept that says "Wow! I'd rather sit in that when I fly," everything else is... not as interesting.

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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:54 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
Yep, and the seats were just as unrealistic and the colors just as icky and the ceiling just as vegas and I doubt it swayed any buyers, either.

I seem to remember something about JAL execs being impressed by the mockup. I think the thing about the mockup is that it gives airlines a better idea of the size and shape of the 787 cabin.
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting AirA380 (Thread starter):
Wow..The cabine interior Mock up certainly looks good, it will launch this week....Maybe a concern for 787...What's your thought...check out the pics on the link below!!!

1) This has been posted before
2) Your title for this thread is highly misleading and designed to incite
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 19):
It clearly featured a vase full of flowers at each door. I personally intend to fly on the airline that features the vase of flowers.

Hey, the bud vase helped sell the "new beetle" at VW. So if 16 year old girls are making fleet decisions for EK, the 787-10 is a no brainer! Big grin
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:20 am

Quoting NorCal (Reply 14):
Widebodyphotog had a good picture showing the cross section overlays with the numbers for the varying widths at certain points. Perhaps he can share that again?

I bookmarked those pages, because this issue keeps coming up over and over again.

Gecas & Ilfc Tell Airbus To Overhaul A350 (by N1786b Mar 29 2006 in Civil Aviation)#113
http://theaviationspecialist.com/a3006f_csection.jpg
http://theaviationspecialist.com/787f_csection.jpg

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Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:27 am

Yawn....

787 cheap copy....

Honestly I expected better than that.
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:35 am

Contrary to popular belief, a mockup, or a manufacturer's seat layout, do not enter into the airlines fleet acquisition decision. It's all about the bottom line, plus politics. Whether it's 8 or 9 abreast in economy, or 6 or 7 abreast in business, or has cool LED lights in the ceiling are all immaterial.
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:18 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 28):
Whether it's 8 or 9 abreast in economy, or 6 or 7 abreast in business,

cabin width does make a difference for carriers......exp-EK......they like to sardine it in......part of the reason the A320 is doing better than the 737 is because of a wider cabin width........

the mock up....won't do them anything for sales..
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 20):
Carriers do not purchase a/c based on the looks of the cabin but on the effictive costs of flying the a/c... They never have and never should.

Strictly speaking No, Customer perception matters and major airliners are aware of it..small space can be made to feel big using light and other features so it doesn't feel like a cattle class even though it is...average customers care about the quality of journey..except Ryanair customers..allegedly..

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 9):
I tell you what would be cool.. and that is if they could project their flightpath on the ceiling.. As you move closer to your destination, the flight path would move closer to the front door.. Hehehehe.. very cool..

Excellent idea...that would stop children from crying in flight "are we there yet mum.." Smile so, parents can just point to the flight path and say when the light reaches the front door that would stop chlidren asking every 5 min...
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:41 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 29):
cabin width does make a difference for carriers......exp-EK......they like to sardine it in......

...hence economics.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 29):
part of the reason the A320 is doing better than the 737 is because of a wider cabin width........

That's a nice thought but I don't believe it for a second. It all comes down to aircraft price, operating costs, and politics.
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:48 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 28):
Contrary to popular belief, a mockup, or a manufacturer's seat layout, do not enter into the airlines fleet acquisition decision.

Absolutely correct. An airline will spend countless man-hours evaluating each aircraft and how THEY, the airline, will configure it. Not the manufacturer. While these mock-ups show the airline what is possible, each individual airline will decide what is profitable.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 28):
Whether it's 8 or 9 abreast in economy, or 6 or 7 abreast in business, or has cool LED lights in the ceiling are all immaterial.

The bit about the LED lighting is certainly correct. However, not to be blunt, but you are flat wrong when it comes to row capacity. Remember that, though they may not be the flashy seats that Boeing and Airbus advertise, the seats the airline puts in are sources of revenue. And if an airline can fit in more seats in a given space without degrading their overall product, you better believe this is a decision-maker. A very big one at that. There were several examples in the 777's design where the group of 8 airlines helping Boeing with the design specifically requested a wider aircraft (CX and NH were the big motivators for the 777's final cross-section).

Quoting AirA380 (Reply 7):
Broadly speaking the same could said for airbus where airbus can adopt High % of composite materials as Boeing. Boeing 50% & airbus 39% of total weight

Your profile states you are a (non-aviation) engineer. Surely as an engineer you can recognize the difference between the structure of a given frame, and the appointments that go into that frame? If not, I must say I seriously question the honesty of your profile.

Quoting AirA380 (Reply 10):
Boeing is just playing with the effective Cabin width number...its only 4 inch bigger..thats all

Is Boeing playing with "the effective Cabin width number", or is Airbus? The fact that 60+% of 787 customers are now planing on putting in 9-abreast suggests the latter. . .


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Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:50 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 31):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 29):
part of the reason the A320 is doing better than the 737 is because of a wider cabin width........

That's a nice thought but I don't believe it for a second. It all comes down to aircraft price, operating costs, and politics.

for case a320 I agree. There is a limit to cabin width in relation to design seating abreast plus economics.
The good thing about 787 is that it is designed for 8.5 seat abreast in economy class hence airline have better option to choose 8 or 9...where in a350 that option is somewhat limited. Both can have 9 seat abreast in economy.
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:53 am

"Projected" ceilings aren't anything new as a design feature. The 777 Payloads (that's passengers to you and I) studied such a system during the project development, even going so far as to consider using it to replace the windows (since it would result in a more sturdy structure). However the installation and maintenance costs, as well as the weight and complexity of the system, made it far to impractical to develop. I expect much the same concerns will either eliminate or greatly reduce this technology being introduced.

Things like the fibre-optic "stars" EK uses on their A345s and more chromotheraputic lighting like Boeing and Airbus offer on their models are much more likely to be installed.
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:54 am

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 32):
Is Boeing playing with "the effective Cabin width number", or is Airbus? The fact that 60+% of 787 customers are now planing on putting in 9-abreast suggests the latter. . .

It is quiet possible that the airline who is choosing to have 8 abreast in economy class is going for A350 as it give better economice in 8 seat abreast.

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Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:02 am

Quoting AirA380 (Reply 10):
Boeing is just playing with the effective Cabin width number...its only 4 inch bigger..thats all....you can't put seat in 4 inch of space...



Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 26):
http://theaviationspecialist.com/a3006f_csection.jpg
http://theaviationspecialist.com/787...n.jpg

From this the outside section is 4.5 inches wider (never heard of a 787-800F being touted yet - 222 to 226.5). From what I've read (here), that will translate to a little bit more inside the cabin.

And for all it's worth, it's a mock-up. and just like the A380 and 787 mock-ups before it, this is just a "Look what great things we can do". Which mostly don't translate into real designs.

That being said, the Virgin America lighting in their aircraft will be something to see Big grin
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:06 am

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 19):
I like the 787 interior mock up better. It clearly featured a vase full of flowers at each door. I personally intend to fly on the airline that features the vase of flowers

HEHEHE.. good one!
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:08 am

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 32):
Remember that, though they may not be the flashy seats that Boeing and Airbus advertise, the seats the airline puts in are sources of revenue

I think that's exactly what I said....thrice:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 31):
It all comes down to aircraft price, operating costs, and politics



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 31):
...hence economics.



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 28):
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:17 am

Quoting AirA380 (Reply 35):
It is quit possible that the airline who is choosing to have 8 abreast in economy class is going for A350 as it give better economice in 8 seat abreast.

Again, Airbus can only advertise better seat/mile cost because they assume more seats than the B787. That isn't a slam-dunk case, because the B787 will have lower trip cost and only marginally smaller cabin area.
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:21 am

MaverickM11,

Apologies. However, when you said this:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 28):
Whether it's 8 or 9 abreast in economy, or 6 or 7 abreast in business, or has cool LED lights in the ceiling are all immaterial.

You specifically stated that cross-section is immaterial. It quite obviously is not. That's what I responded to.


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Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 39):
Again, Airbus can only advertise better seat/mile cost because they assume more seats than the B787. That isn't a slam-dunk case, because the B787 will have lower trip cost and only marginally smaller cabin area

Fact: both Boeing and Airbus play with numbers makes...but experts see what is beyond that...
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Quoting A319XFW (Reply 36):
From this the outside section is 4.5 inches wider (never heard of a 787-800F being touted yet - 222 to 226.5). From what I've read (here), that will translate to a little bit more inside the cabin.

Try reading here at #113:
Gecas & Ilfc Tell Airbus To Overhaul A350 (by N1786b Mar 29 2006 in Civil Aviation)

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Atmx2000: the shape of the cabin walls is a function of the position of the cabin within the fuselage cross section. The 4" wider fuselage for the 787 is not sufficient to give the 787 any advantages, but combined with the 12" taller fuselage it is. If you scale the images and align the floors, you will find that the cross section area below the cabin floor is about the same, but the area above cabin floor is much larger for the 787. That is where the advantage comes from. It also translate to more main deck volume for the 787 for a freighter config, but that is another story.

That's why the 787 is more than 11 inches wider at aremrest level than the A350. That's significant and allows for 9 across seating.

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Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:28 am

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 36):
From this the outside section is 4.5 inches wider (never heard of a 787-800F being touted yet - 222 to 226.5). From what I've read (here), that will translate to a little bit more inside the cabin.

As I posted in another thread, inside the cabin the 787 is 9.5 inches wider trim to trim and 11.5 inches across the armrests. Combined with larger radius cabin walls there is more than a significant increase in passenger space. Furthermore If I were Airbus I would not tout their bin space so highly as the 787 overhead bins are huge in comparison and the 787 ace in the hole; overhead crew rests...

A quick and dirty illustration of the differences...the A340/A330 cabin outline is in red, sorry for the lack of detail.


787 VS A340/A330 Cabin

Not intended to be an absolute representation of the A350 in comparison, but the A340/A330 cabin is superimposed to illustrate the difference in space. The A350 offers measurable but basically insignificant increases in space relative to the A340/A340.



-widebodyphotog

[Edited 2006-04-03 23:32:59]

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RE: A350 Cabin Mock May Tip The Orders To Airbus

Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:29 am

Quoting AirA380 (Reply 41):
Fact: both Boeing and Airbus play with numbers makes...but experts see what is beyond that

Yes, and I would regard ILFC and GECAS as experts and they say the A350 comes up short and needs to be redesigned.
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RE: A350 Cabin Mock May Tip The Orders To Airbus

Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:36 am

Quoting AirA380 (Reply 10):
Boeing is just playing with the effective Cabin width number...its only 4 inch bigger..thats all....you can't put seat in 4 inch of space...

The exterior fuselage width of the B787 is 4 inches (10 cm) greater than that of the A350, however, the B787's interior width at seat level is about 13 inches (33 cm) greater than that of the A350. There are three reasons for the difference between 4 inches and 13 inches:
1) The composite fuselage of the B787 doesn't need to be as thick to maintain structural rigidity because of the inherent rigidity of CFRP.
2) The seats in the B787 are located at the widest part of the cabin, whereas the seats in the A350 are located well above the widest part of the cabin. At seat height, the B787 is wider than at floor height. In the A350, the cabin floor width is greater than the cabin width at seat height.
3. The B787 has an ovoid fuselage cross section which allows the sidewalls to be more nearly vertical. The A350 has a circular (and smaller diameter) cross section, so the walls curve inward more severely.
 
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RE: A350 Cabin Mock May Tip The Orders To Airbus

Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:58 am

Quoting AirA380 (Reply 10):
Boeing is just playing with the effective Cabin width number...its only 4 inch bigger..thats all....you can't put seat in 4 inch of space...

Nine abreast fits rather nicely inside 787 with 747 17.2 inch seats 2 inch armrests and 19 inch isles...

787 Nine Abreast Seating

As stated, four inches of fuselage width is only part of the story...



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RE: A350 Cabin Mock May Tip The Orders To Airbus

Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:04 am

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 44):
Yes, and I would regard ILFC and GECAS as experts and they say the A350 comes up short and needs to be redesigned.

Not all expert give the expert opinion...lol..sometime opinion is driven by other factors apart from professionalism...sometime it is done to get publicity. I don't consider my self to be an expert but I do agree to some of the things he said.
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RE: A350 Cabin Mock May Tip The Orders To Airbus

Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:09 am

Hey,

Those seats are disgusting! That looks far from impressive, but simply sickly. How much plastic do you want?

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RE: A350 Cabin Mock May Tip The Orders To Airbus

Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:27 am

How much larger are the 350's windows? In the photo it looks like airbus just made the window frames larger, but not the actual windows. I could be mistaken