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Air-India Indian Airlines Merger Gets Green Signal

Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:23 am

Air-India, Indian Airlines merger gets green signal

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Air-India and Indian Airlines have been given the formal go-ahead by the Government to create a single national carrier with revenues of $3 billion and a fleet of over 130 aircraft.

The Prime Minister's Office has given the go-ahead to chalk out a plan to create synergies in the services of the two state-owned carriers, Civil Aviation Minister Praful Patel said after the Government signed two pacts to modernise Mumbai and Delhi airports.

"It's an absolutely logical proposal to consolidate and optimise the use of the assets of the two public sector airlines," he had said, adding the clearances would be forthcoming in the present financial year.

The merger between Air India and Indian Airlines, which operates under the brand name "Indian", will result in a Rs 130-billion airline, which will have a fleet of over 130 aircraft in the next few years.

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RE: Air-India Indian Airlines Merger Gets Green Si

Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:25 am

Quoting Aseem (Thread starter):
The merger between Air India and Indian Airlines, which operates under the brand name "Indian", will result in a Rs 130-billion airline, which will have a fleet of over 130 aircraft in the next few years.

so, with brand name Indian, shall we presume that the livery shall be that of Indian too?? Not bad, It'd look cool on B777s, but on B747 it shall be too much of white.
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RE: Air-India Indian Airlines Merger Gets Green Signal

Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:31 am

Before you're concerned about livery, I'd be more concerned about the unions, screaming staff afraid to lose their jobs, and the gargantuan job of merging two bloated Government bureaucracies.

At least with Praful Patel around, the airline won't be called something like "Bharatiya Havai Sena" or "Vayubhoot." I suspect they'll go with Air India given that the Air India mascot, the Maharajah, is so wel known all over India.
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RE: Air-India Indian Airlines Merger Gets Green Signal

Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:19 am

Quoting Aseem (Reply 1):
Quoting Aseem (Thread starter):
The merger between Air India and Indian Airlines, which operates under the brand name "Indian", will result in a Rs 130-billion airline, which will have a fleet of over 130 aircraft in the next few years.

so, with brand name Indian, shall we presume that the livery shall be that of Indian too?? Not bad, It'd look cool on B777s, but on B747 it shall be too much of white.

...Aseem, I don't think the airline is going to be named Indian!!! The author was explaining that Indian Airlines, which is currently known as Indian and so on....

How about Chatrapati Shivaji International Airlines....

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RE: Air-India Indian Airlines Merger Gets Green Signal

Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:22 am

Quoting Aseem (Reply 1):
so, with brand name Indian, shall we presume that the livery shall be that of Indian too??

I don't think they're suggesting that the 'Indian' name will stick....they're just saying "Indian Airlines, which operates by the brand name Indian"....

I think Air-India will be more logical as it is known worldwide and also in India...and yes, although I love the current AI livery, I do think a change would be good at this point....firstly, as it is almost 35 years old and secondly, looks really good only on the 747....the future fleet is going to be very different.....
 
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RE: Air-India Indian Airlines Merger Gets Green Signal

Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:26 am

It really would be a shame if the aviation world lost the Air India livery. It's one of my favourites and is the only livery that is still the same since I was a kid spotting at LHR.


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RE: Air-India Indian Airlines Merger Gets Green Signal

Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:38 am

Quoting VTNYC (Reply 3):



Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 4):

I agree, I was a bit too excited.
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RE: Air-India Indian Airlines Merger Gets Green Signal

Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:18 pm

This makes a lot of sense! I think they'll keep the Air-India name and perhaps change the name of Air India Express to Indian Airlines. I'm very impressed with Praful Patel who has pushed thru orders for AI and IC and now pushing for this.

I think most non-Indians would welcome a livery change for Air-India. VERY uninspiring and hopefully when this new merged airline gets underway, it will have a new livery. I do like Indian Airlines new livery and think something like that may work but with AI titles of course..

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RE: Air-India Indian Airlines Merger Gets Green Signal

Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:34 pm

I hope the merger happens by the end of 2007 and hopefully a one-stop flight from LAX to MAA soon after that. As for livery and name, anything is fine with me. All I really care about is schedule and safety.
 
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RE: Air-India Indian Airlines Merger Gets Green Signal

Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:51 pm

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 2):
At least with Praful Patel around, the airline won't be called something like "Bharatiya Havai Sena" or "Vayubhoot." I suspect they'll go with Air India given that the Air India mascot, the Maharajah, is so wel known all over India.

And again, to provoke my friend Cricket  Wink  Smile :

PP and the UDA have done much more for aviation in 1-2 yrs. than the BJP-NDA circus in more than 5 years, along with those punches called Rajiv P. Rudy, Shanawaz Hussein, Yadav or whatsoever - 5 years lost, all this could have already happened.. facts suggest this all

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 8):
I hope the merger happens by the end of 2007 and hopefully a one-stop flight from LAX to MAA soon after that.

And I want a non-stop MAA-DFW, not for me, but my good friend Big grin
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RE: Air-India Indian Airlines Merger Gets Green Signal

Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:21 pm

If Air Sahara cabin crew can cry to new Jet airways mangemnet they will not wear skirts....can you imagine what will happen with AI & IC....PANDORAS BOX

The name is already fixed Air Indian..the livery will be designed by a local guy.."friend" of Mr. Patel.
Maharaja will stay, AI logo will go.

Both the airlines have dismal safety std's....Hope that changes first
 
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RE: Air-India Indian Airlines Merger Gets Green Signal

Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:11 pm

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 9):
PP and the UDA

I don't think the credit can go to the coalition govt. It should go personally to PP & Ajay Prasad. I don't see the UDA Govt. moving along at even 10% of this pace in other sectors. Looking at this, I would encourage PP to aim for the PM post - he seems to have the potential to turn the country around.
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RE: Air-India Indian Airlines Merger Gets Green Signal

Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:24 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 11):
I don't think the credit can go to the coalition govt. It should go personally to PP & Ajay Prasad. I don't see the UDA Govt. moving along at even 10% of this pace in other sectors. Looking at this, I would encourage PP to aim for the PM post - he seems to have the potential to turn the country around.

I agree in principle, and have to admit that I did not really follow Indian politics the last months carefully. However, maybe it is not too bad to lessen growth a little and realize that "The Indian way" can be part of globalization. In other words: we should not implement concepts of the developed world uncritically but rather analyze what is the best in the Indian context. Otherwise, India will end up like continental Europe in 30 yrs, with declining growth, living standard etc: first create a viable domestic market (everyone wants to capture our market, so why not we?) with social development and create a larger consume-oriented middle class, using the resources from liberalization before "turning the country around" as a whole.. don't you think that a complete U-turn bears other problems? Better transform it than turning it around immidiately  Smile

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RE: Air-India Indian Airlines Merger Gets Green Signal

Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:36 pm

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 12):
sometimes

Sometimes?????  Smile
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RE: Air-India Indian Airlines Merger Gets Green Signal

Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:39 pm

Quoting LeftWing (Reply 10):
Both the airlines have dismal safety std's....Hope that changes first

What makes you say that? I can undertsand for IC, as they have had quite a few bad accidents over the years, but how do you say that for AI?
 
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RE: Air-India Indian Airlines Merger Gets Green Signal

Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:14 am

Air India sounds good & should stay.Thas my opinion.Personally I like the current Livery.
Wonder how the Unions react.
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RE: Air-India Indian Airlines Merger Gets Green Signal

Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:22 am

AI just failed the IOSA safety audit.

if that is not dismal try flying on AI; bags are always unsecured in the last row of J class on the 310 as there is not enough over head bins.
Cabin crew almost never secure the cabin; pilots are being upgraded with minium training to meet the requirment for Capts "commanders" they are called in AI.

Tyres are blowing up every week; ok thats an Mx issue but relates to safety, with monsoon comming up dont want blown 18 tyres in MAA with heavy rains and 20 kt cross winds...
 
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RE: Air-India Indian Airlines Merger Gets Green Signal

Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:16 pm

Quoting LeftWing (Reply 16):
Tyres are blowing up every week; ok thats an Mx issue but relates to safety, with monsoon comming up dont want blown 18 tyres in MAA with heavy rains and 20 kt cross winds..

Why MAA in particular in your reference.
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RE: Air-India Indian Airlines Merger Gets Green Signal

Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:13 am

Praful Patel is a man in a hurry. And he should be. Knowing how long it takes to get things done with governments in India, he has managed to push thru so many initiatives in the short time he's been the MOCA that he's done in 2 years what un-successive MOCAs couldn't do in 20. So, kudos and congrats to the man who will single-handedly be responsible for changing so many things on the Indian aviation scene.

However, merging AI and IC won't be easy. Cultural differences, unions, professional rivalry and so many other things to be managed, that too with 2 bloated bureaucratic Govt run companies. Better to sell off both airlines and let the buyer figure out how to merge them. But this can be done only if the Cong gets a 2/3rds majority in parliament.......a remote possibility given the current state of political affairs.

So lets wait and see how things develop, it will be interesting to watch this drama unfold. Best of luck, Prafulbhai. You will need a lot of it for the AI-IC merger.
 
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RE: Air-India Indian Airlines Merger Gets Green Signal

Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:21 am

Hey guys,

the AI/IA merger goes a long way back and therefore, must appreciate our friend Praful for moving things like no other civil aviation minister in the history of Indian Govt. has done. He's got permissions on everything from everyone. I am least interested how hes got it, most important, Civil Aviation in India is on the move, and its doing so REAL BIG!!

I would like to point out of most of the airline mergers that took place in the near past :-
1 - Lufthansa - Swiss (Lufthansa buying out Swiss)
2 - Air-France - KLM (Air France being the Controller...sorry KLM ; )
3 - Jet - Sahara (Jet buying out Sahara)
4 - Emirates - Sri Lankan (Emirates controlling management)

what i want to say is that there has always been a Big guy and a Lil guy in most of the above mergers.

Who would get control in the Air India - Indian Airlines merger?

For me, its a good idea/concept to merge the 2 airlines, but knowing how they work, execution of it to become a BIG entity in the market will compeletely be forgotten and they would only be interested in grabbing important portfolios within each other.

We must not forget, these airlines follow the motto of -
FOR THE EMPLOYEES
BY THE EMPLOYEES
OF THE MINISTERS

People, do get back on who should be the Boss of the merger!!

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RE: Air-India Indian Airlines Merger Gets Green Signal

Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:54 am

Quoting LeftWing (Reply 10):
Both the airlines have dismal safety std's....Hope that changes first

emm....specify please, would luv to get details!!

Quoting LeftWing (Reply 16):
AI just failed the IOSA safety audit.

why does an airline need to have an IOSA safety audit. what is an IOSA safety audit? Do all other airlines have it? Is it a must??

Quoting LeftWing (Reply 16):
pilots are being upgraded with minium training to meet the requirment for Capts "commanders" they are called in AI.

if this is something you reading in news-papers...grow up my friend.
you are forgetting the million tests/exams/papers/beaucratic nature of the DGCA which you need to skip through to simply become a Four Striper. i know this as i failed an exam and i know how much i had to go through to clear up simple issues!

Quoting LeftWing (Reply 16):
Tyres are blowing up every week; ok thats an Mx issue but relates to safety, with monsoon comming up dont want blown 18 tyres in MAA with heavy rains and 20 kt cross winds...

You can not say this happens every week or with the entire fleet and that this might happen to every one travelling everyday to everywhere.....one cant fly the same aircraft at all places at the same day & time.....and hey...nevery did the tyres burst up in monsoon conditions with heavy rains and 20kt cross winds!!!!!

I agree that the B744-Combi is screwing around a lil too much. but remember its just this one messing around. I also agree it relates to safety, but these are things happening world-wide, you get to know only whats happening locally.

To end it, i hope these things dont happen to anyone, and if at all, ppl b safe.

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RE: Air-India Indian Airlines Merger Gets Green Signal

Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:58 am

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...04/07/stories/2006040702420900.htm

"So why then the grand announcement by the Government that the two flag carries would be merged this year itself? The grapevine has it that having announced a merger and acquisition policy for the aviation sector which would smoothen the way for the nearly `grounded' Jet-Sahara deal, the Government was eager to show that the M&A policy had not been framed for the private sector alone. Rather, it was worked out keeping in mind the IA-AI merger. Any bets on whether the merger would actually come through? "