EddieDude
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5th Freedom U.S. East Coast - Europe

Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:52 pm

Hi guys. Firstly, I want to apologize because I am sure many other threads discuss how carriers from third countries fly between a U.S. city and a European city. I tried to find such threads using the search function, but I was unable to find anything.

My question is: Which carriers enjoy (and currently benefit from) fifth freedom rights between the U.S. and BRU/AMS/FRA/DUS?
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RE: 5th Freedom U.S. East Coast - Europe

Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:09 pm

Off the top of my head I can think of Air India, Kuwait, Pakistan and
Bangladesh Biman..
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RE: 5th Freedom U.S. East Coast - Europe

Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:11 pm

And SQ, JFK-FRA
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RE: 5th Freedom U.S. East Coast - Europe

Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:52 pm

Does anyone know who grants those rights (especially germany). Is it the LBA ? Do get get a certificate for any of those rights ?
 
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RE: 5th Freedom U.S. East Coast - Europe

Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:15 am

Quoting MUCflieger (Reply 3):
Does anyone know who grants those rights (especially germany). Is it the LBA ? Do get get a certificate for any of those rights ?

These rights are articulated in the relevant bilateral agreements. Therefore, Air India's LAX-FRA rights are articulated in two bilateral agreements: the USA-India agreement and the Germany-India agreement.

Once those rights are granted by bilateral treaty, the airline probably does file with some German authority as well as the USDOT.
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RE: 5th Freedom U.S. East Coast - Europe

Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:48 am

I know AeroMexico used to fly MEX-MIA-MAD and MEX-MIA-CDG(ORL also) but stoped this service once they got the 767's. From what i understand they still have the rights to do this. I know they were able to also pick up passengers in mia and transport them from there. It was very intresting to go to MAD for vacation from Miami and fly on AM....
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RE: 5th Freedom U.S. East Coast - Europe

Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:37 am

In addition to SQ's JFK-FRA and AI's ORD-FRA, do you know who flies with 5th freedom rights between the U.S. and BRU and AMS?
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RE: 5th Freedom U.S. East Coast - Europe

Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:06 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 6):
In addition to SQ's JFK-FRA and AI's ORD-FRA, do you know who flies with 5th freedom rights between the U.S. and BRU and AMS?

SQ used to fly AMS-EWR and AMS-ORD before 9/11. The EWR flight stopped when they started the nonstop flight to SIN. Not much help, sorry!
 
EddieDude
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RE: 5th Freedom U.S. East Coast - Europe

Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:28 am

So we have:

SQ JFK-FRA
KU JFK-LHR
AI ORD-FRA
AI LAX-FRA
AI JFK-LHR
AI EWR-CDG
BG JFK-BRU
PK ORD-MAN
PK IAH-MAN
PK JFK-MAN

Anybody flying U.S.-AMS on a fifth freedom basis?
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RE: 5th Freedom U.S. East Coast - Europe

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:02 am

MH ARN-EWR 3x week

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RE: 5th Freedom U.S. East Coast - Europe

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:21 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 8):
SQ JFK-FRA
KU JFK-LHR
AI ORD-FRA
AI LAX-FRA
AI JFK-LHR
AI EWR-CDG
BG JFK-BRU
PK ORD-MAN
PK IAH-MAN
PK JFK-MAN

Add NZ LAX-LHR and TN LAX-CDG.

Didn't RJ used to stop in AMS between the USA and Jordan?
 
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RE: 5th Freedom U.S. East Coast - Europe

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:37 am

True. I was forgetting that. So nobody is flying to AMS?

On a very related subject, what happened to Etihad's non-stop fifth-freedom YYZ-BRU flight? I believe SN was even going to codeshare on that!
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RE: 5th Freedom U.S. East Coast - Europe

Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:07 am

Don't forget NZ doing AKL-LAX-LHR