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Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:35 pm

Hi all!

From the Finnair website:

Press Release

5 Apr 2006

Finnair launches flights to Kuala Lumpur

Finnair is opening yet another destination in Asia when flights from Helsinki to Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur begin in May 2007. The route will be operated three times a week via Bangkok.

"As a thriving business city and breathtaking leisure destination, Kuala Lumpur naturally complements our Asian strategy. Demand for Asian destinations is growing in both directions and we have excellent connections from all over Europe. It is our goal to open one to two new Asian connections each year and add frequencies to our current network," highlights Finnair SVP Commercial Division Mika Perho.

Malaysia's economy is one of the fastest growing in Southeast Asia and hundreds of European companies are already present in the country. Kuala Lumpur is the hub of local business life with its viable infrastructure, good regional flight network and motorways to different parts of the Malay Peninsula.

Sight-seeing and climate-wise, Malaysia is equivalent to neighbouring Thailand as a travel destination. Kuala Lumpur is a modern city with almost a million and a half inhabitants and offers excellent shopping opportunities both in modern shopping centres and on smaller shopping alleys and streets. The city also offers top-rate hotel accommodation.

Culinary delights meet all tastes as Malaysia offers Malay, Indian, Chinese and Western cuisine. Kuala Lumpur has a lively nightlife with numerous bars and clubs. Golfers will find beautiful courses in the city and its surroundings. Those in need of a beach holiday have a choice of tens of islands in both the Indian Ocean and South China Sea. Malaysia's idyllic inland and coastal villages and highland tea plantations offer a unique experience to those in search of local colour. The area on Borneo Island belonging to Malaysia (East Malaysia) captivates jungle adventurers.

Finnair flies to Bangkok, Guangzhou, Osaka, Singapore, Beijing, Tokyo, Shanghai and Hong Kong in Asia. Flights to Nagoya, Japan begin in June and to Delhi, India in November. Next year's flights to Kuala Lumpur are available from this May.

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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:22 pm

Gees, they sure are doing a well on Asian routes. Until a few years ago, all they had were a few weeklies to BKK & NRT.
I suppose Seoul is next on the targeted cities in Asia.
To serve Taipei, they may need to set up FinnairAsia.
 
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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:20 pm

I wonder what the implications for the rest of the Asian network are. This summer Finnair is operating a daily HEL-BKK-SIN while flights to HKG are once again operated nonstop. Next winter will see the return of HKG service via BKK, while an extra 3 BKK terminator flights will be operated.

As KUL will be added to the network, will AY continue 10 weekly frequencies to BKK into the summer season, with daily tag ons to SIN and thrice weekly KUL, or will BKK see only daily service, which would mean four weekly services BKK-SIN only? In that case, would AY add some SIN nonstop services or just reduce the SIN frequency compared to this summer?
 
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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:32 pm

HAH - I did suggest this a few months ago with part of their route restructuring of BKK and HKG but was shot down by many on here...
 
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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:45 pm

Why does it always have to be via BKK? Whynot nonstop? Or is 12 hours too much for the crew ...

Anyway, nice for our AY to open new routes.

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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:27 am

LordHowe,

I think it is via BKK because it has been a crew hub for AY for a long time so it seems sensible. Finnair doesn't fly with two crews aboard one plane so often...

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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:37 am

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 4):
Anyway, nice for our AY to open new routes.

Just as long as they keep the SIN-BKK-HEL route, as I want to fly it next year. Can't wait to fly them Internationally, they were brilliant intra-Europe!
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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:39 am

Will the service be with the A340 or MD-11?
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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:40 am

How I would love for AY to come to MNL.

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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:58 am

MalpensaSFO,

I guess that at first they will be flying to KUL with MD-11 but they will get three new A340-300E on 2007-2008 so will see then..

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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:46 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 8):
How I would love for AY to come to MNL.

Someone in this forum said they were considering it...or maybe it was you...

Oh well...it would be nice...
 
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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:29 pm

Quoting Finnair MD-11 (Reply 5):
I think it is via BKK because it has been a crew hub for AY for a long time

BKK used to have a base (several weeks) for Finnair crew but now the Finnish crew just make a 24 hour layover there and continue next afternoon for the following leg, BKK-SIN-BKK or BKK-HKG-BKK, and again after 24 hour layover onwards back to HEL.

I suppose their contract does not allow them to fly longer than 11 hours.

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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:47 pm

LordHowe,

Ok, thanks! Good to know.

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 11):
I suppose their contract does not allow them to fly longer than 11 hours.

Yes. Due to the aviation regulations with 2 crew the maximum flight time is 10,5 hours when signing in for your duties between 14:00-6:59 and when you sign in for your duties between 7:00-13:59 the max flight time is 11h.

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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:39 pm

Quoting Diesel33 (Reply 10):
Someone in this forum said they were considering it...or maybe it was you...

Finnair said last year that they hope to open 1-2 new Asian destinations every year and they mentioned cities like KUL, Seoul, Saigon, Manila, plus perhaps some new Chinese city.
It seems the HEL-BKK route is getting really busy, several daily departures in near future.

I would guess Seoul will be next for AY , perhaps late 2007.

ClassicLover, I hope you won't be dissappointed.. they are among the best in Europe but their intercontinental flights are often just ok.. if you are not lucky to fly in Business, that should be good.
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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:45 pm

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 1):
Gees, they sure are doing a well on Asian routes. Until a few years ago, all they had were a few weeklies to BKK & NRT.

Yes, AY is doing good job in Asia. At ITB International Tourism Fair in Berlin (March 2006), AY had an own Stand in Asia Hall 26, close to CI, CX, SQ, etc, to promote HEL as hub for Asia.
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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:50 pm

Yeah, that is one hell of a good Asia coverage for an airline like Finnair. Good on them!

Still yet to fly them but if I do, it will have to be in one of their MD11's!

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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:11 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 2):
Next winter will see the return of HKG service via BKK, while an extra 3 BKK terminator flights will be operated.

Actually, their electronic timetable shows daily HEL-BKK-HEL flights.  Smile

Good news about the KUL flights! I wonder if this means that SIN won't be daily in summer 2007 or not...
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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:15 am

With SAS presence diminishing in Asia (Singapore now gone), Finnair is taking up the slack. I think they will do well.
 
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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:43 am

Quoting AirWales (Reply 15):
Yeah, that is one hell of a good Asia coverage for an airline like Finnair. Good on them!

Dont forget that AF, LH and KL have GREAT Asia coverage too!

KL operates to Asia from its hub AMS (very small country) to the following destinations:

INC, NRT, KIX, PVG, PEK, HKG, TPE, MNL, SIN, BKK, KUL.

And another destination in China soon.

Quoting Zizou (Reply 17):
With SAS presence diminishing in Asia (Singapore now gone), Finnair is taking up the slack. I think they will do well.

I think this is the key here, as well as its reliance on more asian traffic rather than North Atlantic traffic.

What a great strategy if you ask me.

Keep up the good work AY.

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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:59 am

Quoting Zizou (Reply 17):
With SAS presence diminishing in Asia (Singapore now gone), Finnair is taking up the slack. I think they will do well.

Generally AY's financial situation is better than SK's at the moment, so it has been able to buy lot of new planes lately (first 29 narrow body Airbuses, then Embraer 170/190s and lately wide body Airbuses) and it is also able to take some risks expanding now in Asia.
This trully is shaky business for all, I hope AY will be lucky in future too.

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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:12 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 18):
KL operates to Asia from its hub AMS (very small country) to the following destinations:

Actually the Netherlands is three times larger nation than Finland and KL+AF is a huge company compairing to AY. So a middle-sized Finnair is taking big steps in Asia now- and big risks too.
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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:51 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 18):
INC, NRT, KIX, PVG, PEK, HKG, TPE, MNL, SIN, BKK, KUL.

and..............do not forget CGK - served daily !!!
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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:43 am

Quoting Andaman (Reply 13):
ClassicLover, I hope you won't be dissappointed.. they are among the best in Europe but their intercontinental flights are often just ok.. if you are not lucky to fly in Business, that should be good.

I will be flying Business class... I found an extremely reasonable fare on the Finnair web site that gives me three sectors (two on the M11)... looking forward to trying their new bed seats!

They are very good in Europe, both in Business and Economy.

Quoting Andaman (Reply 20):
Actually the Netherlands is three times larger nation than Finland and KL+AF is a huge company compairing to AY. So a middle-sized Finnair is taking big steps in Asia now- and big risks too.

Finnair is doing the correct thing - Asia is where the growth and money is at the moment, so if Finnair can place themselves as the premier Scandinavian / European carrier to Asia (as it looks like they are doing), they will do very well.
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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:49 am

May 2007? Is that a typo, or really a press annoucement for something not starting for 13 months?

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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Sat Apr 08, 2006 3:31 pm

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 23):
a press annoucement for something not starting for 13 months?

Yep! That's how they do it at Finnair. They announced their New Delhi route last November - and the route starts in November 2006. They also announced their Nagoya route last August - anf the first flight will be in June 2006.

The problem - if it is aproblem at all! - is that they do not have enough widebodies. They usually start a new route with two to three times a week, but the market demands growth and the fequency has to become four to six times a week. So the even newer openings will have to wait.

They now have seven widebodies of which only six in traffic because of the makeover in business class with lie-flat-beds. One of their MD11s at a time has been in hangar from last November. From beginning of summer they have all the seven of them in traffic plus that they purchased one of Virgins old Airbus 340-300s. With ten destinations in Asia and one in US they really have work to do with these eight aircrafts. The next new aircraft is coming in the beginning of summer 2007 when the first of three new Airbus 340-300E is arrives. This enables flights to Kuala Lumpur.

The interesting thing is if the KUL flights will become "the pair" for the SIN flights and HKG will be nonstop year around. Finnair now is flying HEL-BKK late evening flight daily with three times a week from BKK to HKG and four times a week BKK to SIN. HKG has been nonstop only in summer schedules. But HKG nonstop is growing - last summer it was three times a week, this summer it will be five.

And if HKG is becoming nonstop year around, is there a possibility that that there will be HKG to MNL or something else?

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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:34 am

All this expanding rom AY is great!!!

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 24):
And if HKG is becoming nonstop year around, is there a possibility that that there will be HKG to MNL or something else?

Yes they said that MNL was one of the routes planned, so probably it will be HEL-HKG-MNL, but it would be better with a nonstop. People will rather go to AMS and then nonstop on KL, than to HEL and then via HKG to... But this may work, since LH is doing FRA-CAN-MNL...  Smile

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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:49 am

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 25):
but it would be better with a nonstop

Of course it would be better, but AY cannot fly nonstop because of their restrictions with their crews working hours - tops 10,5 hours!

I've been waiting for HEL-SIN nonstop which also seems to be just a dream ...

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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:37 am

Way to go AY.
AY have become a really popular alternativ for Swedes, mostly from the Stockholm area, when it comes to fligths to Asia. Right now AY have a TV commercial in Sweden saying, why fly to CPH and west, when you would like to go to the East.
I have heard figures telling that up to 40% of the pax are Swedes on some AY flights from HEL to Asia.
 
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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:32 am

I think it is a healthy situation that there are SK and AY competing and keeping each other busy, good for the Nordic travellers.
Like in Finland, Blue1 of SAS have been able to challenge Finnair both in domestic business and now also in Europe.
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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:48 am

Given the growth in the HEL-Asia market, I think Emirates should really consider a HEL-ARN flight from Dubai to connect to the flights to Asia and beyond.
 
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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting EE-Kay (Reply 29):
Given the growth in the HEL-Asia market, I think Emirates should really consider a HEL-ARN flight from Dubai to connect to the flights to Asia and beyond.

Well, HEL-HKG for example is 7821 km whereas HEL-DXB-HKG would be 10466 km, so I don't think those routes would become very popular. And in addition to that, most of the growth is from connecting passengers, so flying *-HEL-DXB-* would be even more strange.
 
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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:43 am

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 26):

Of course it would be better, but AY cannot fly nonstop because of their restrictions with their crews working hours - tops 10,5 hours!

That doesn't sound right. BKK-HEL is 10h25m, so even a 5 minute delay would violate the policy.

Oh, and in other news, the railway workers' union just prevented VR from selling railway tickets through R-Kioski instead, mainly because they don't want to lose their jobs handing out pieces of paper. How nice to see that ticket prices and customer convenience come first yet again!
 
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Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:06 am

Quoting Killjoy (Reply 31):
Oh, and in other news,

You must have misread something or were dreaming. Is Tamppi out yet?
 
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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:11 pm

Quoting Killjoy (Reply 31):
That doesn't sound right. BKK-HEL is 10h25m, so even a 5 minute delay would violate the policy.

Maybe you have missed this:

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 11):
I suppose their contract does not allow them to fly longer than 11 hours.



Quoting Finnair MD-11 (Reply 12):
Yes. Due to the aviation regulations with 2 crew the maximum flight time is 10,5 hours when signing in for your duties between 14:00-6:59 and when you sign in for your duties between 7:00-13:59 the max flight time is 11h.

-Finnair MD-11

Its a matter of costs! AY seems to able to handle figures and counting. Two crew is more expensive than onestop with crew change - especially when you can also use asian crew. There must be some good reason for AYs success ...

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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:43 pm

Quoting Eilennaei (Reply 32):
You must have misread something or were dreaming.

No, I was just making fun of unions, as it seems silly that a more efficient direct flight would be prevented because it's ten minutes too long or something. There's more info about VR here.

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 33):
Maybe you have missed this:

Whoops. When you mentioned it later, you made it sound like it hadn't been discussed before, sorry. It does make more sense as a safety regulation than as a contract issue.
 
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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:40 pm

Quoting Killjoy (Reply 34):
No, I was just making fun of unions, as it seems silly that a more efficient direct flight would be prevented because it's ten minutes too long or something.

Where did you read an unidentified union would have "prevented" this in a silly way? I don't think any union has actually prevented anything in this country lately? You can now pickup your Internet ticket from the R-chain kiosks as well, an addition of 750 sites. If you can't be bothered, you can print the ticket out yourself and show to the guard on the train just like before. I think even memorising the code from the e-mail will do if you want to give the papermaking capitalists a tuff day.
 
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RE: Finnair Launches Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:44 pm

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 26):
I've been waiting for HEL-SIN nonstop

I think that is a bit of a stretch for the MD-11, with a full load of cargo and pax. Even the BKK-HEL leg suffers from payload restrictions during the hottest season in Thailand.

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