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Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:36 pm

This year's round of proposals for SCAD (Small Community Air Service Development) grants has started trickling in. The DOT-sponsored program awards grants to small communities to help in luring new air service. Such grants this year have welcomed airTran to Richmond and Delta Connection to Fargo, among other things.

So far:


  • Flint, Michigian for Delta Connection to New York City-JFK
  • Jackson, Miss. for Continental Express to Newark
  • Montrose, Colo. for improved air service during the summer
  • Scotts Bluff, Neb. for marketing
  • Vail-Eagle, Colo. for improved air service frequencies during the summer
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:47 pm

Do you happen to have a link at hand where all the applications are being listed?
 
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:32 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Richmond

What constitutes a small community??? RIC isn't that small of a city.
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:07 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
So far:

MAH, add Peoria. They are now listed for a $750,000 proposal for support to attract service to an additional hub.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 1):
Do you happen to have a link at hand where all the applications are being listed?

http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchResu...umberValue=23671&searchType=docket

Quoting Nkops (Reply 2):
What constitutes a small community??? RIC isn't that small of a city.

The program is for airports that meet the DOT's definition of a "small hub" or smaller for calendar year 1997 and "had insufficient air service or unreasonably high airfares". (Congress' wording)

A small hub is an airport with between 0.05% and 0.25% of US boardings. Roughly 460 airports in the US qualify for the SCASD program as a small hub or non-hub because they had less than 0.25% of boardings in 1997.

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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:22 pm

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 3):
Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 1):
Do you happen to have a link at hand where all the applications are being listed?

http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchResu...ocket

Sweet, thanks for the link Big grin .
 
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:14 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 3):
The program is for airports that meet the DOT's definition of a "small hub" or smaller for calendar year 1997

Thank you.... seems about time to update it
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Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:29 am

what qualifies as a focus cit?
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:30 am

Quoting Nkops (Reply 5):
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 3):
The program is for airports that meet the DOT's definition of a "small hub" or smaller for calendar year 1997

Thank you.... seems about time to update it

Not really, considering that the more successful applications of this grants are from more midsize communities, such as Sarasota with airTran. Actual small communities, like Duluth, Minnesota (American Eagle to ORD) and Sioux Falls, South Dakota (America West to Phoenix) get these grants, and then see the airlines leave a year later because the grants expire and the service cannot be substained on its own.
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:17 am

My new company, Regions Air, won a few EAS (Essential Air Service) contracts from the DOT. We're picking up CLE-MGW, CKB, and PKB West Virginia. (We've applied for a few more, so lets hope  Smile

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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:52 am

Quoting Nkops (Reply 5):
Thank you.... seems about time to update it



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Not really, considering that the more successful applications of this grants are from more midsize communities, such as Sarasota with airTran. Actual small communities, like Duluth, Minnesota (American Eagle to ORD) and Sioux Falls, South Dakota (America West to Phoenix) get these grants, and then see the airlines leave a year later because the grants expire and the service cannot be substained on its own.

I don't think there is much movement between the DOT's classifications of non-hub, small hub, etc. Few airports see such explosive growth that they would gain a much larger % of the national passenger total which is also growing at the same time.
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:37 am

Does anyone know the lag time from when the DOT gets the proposal till when it's posted in docket form? I think the deadline is tomorrow and with this few of them actually submitted, so far everyone practically would get it.

TOL was going to try and get ground services equipment for the airport since they want to run their own ground operation for all of the airlines. For some reason they decided to change their mind yesterday....
 
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:01 am

Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 10):
Does anyone know the lag time from when the DOT gets the proposal till when it's posted in docket form?

Typically I see a 2 or 3 business day lag before everything is posted in the DMS.
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:43 am

Quoting ATCT (Reply 8):
My new company, Regions Air, won a few EAS (Essential Air Service) contracts from the DOT

I believe that EAS and SCAD are two different things. I believe EAS is mainly for small communities with no air service at all, while SCADS can go to any small airport even if service already exists. (The reason I say this is because ACY tried to get ATL service on DL even though they already had CVG service.)
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:06 am

Quoting ATCT (Reply 8):
My new company, Regions Air, won a few EAS (Essential Air Service) contracts from the DOT. We're picking up CLE-MGW, CKB, and PKB West Virginia. (We've applied for a few more, so lets hope

That is EAS. Different from SCASD.

More in...

  • Cedar Rapids, Iowa for support of current RJ service to Atlanta and St. Louis and new service to the South/Southeast US
  • Charleston, WV for service to New York City or Newark
  • Naples, Florida for improved airport facilities, marketing, lure new carrier
  • Victoria, Texas for improved frequency of service to Houston


Also proposals from Moline, IL, Klammanth Falls, Oregon, and Iron County, Michigan that I haven't read yet.
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:29 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 9):
I don't think there is much movement between the DOT's classifications of non-hub, small hub, etc.

Actually, there is a pretty big difference these days between the type of service at a small-hub vs.a non-hub, and if you look at the awards over the past few years, you'll see that the vast majority go to non-hub airports. Most small-hub airports have decent service, and so a grant to one of them is more the exception than the rule. Occassionally, one slips through for a variety of reasons, some legitimate and some not so legitimate, i.e. think Capitol Hill.
 
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:07 am

What's the cutoff as far as total annual boardings then that constitutes 0.25%? Looking at some of the cities involved, I'm guessing at least 500,000?

And 1997 was 9 years ago, why are we still using data so old, from before the LCC revolution AND 9/11?
 
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:49 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 15):
And 1997 was 9 years ago, why are we still using data so old, from before the LCC revolution AND 9/11?

I heard that the original legislation was "affected" by a certain NY Congressperson that allowed a certain upstate NY airport to be included based on the 1997 numbers, and it was written as a fixed date so that this particular airport would continue to qualify for grants. It's outdated and silly especially since that particular airport has grown so much in the past eight years that it would never get a grant today.
 
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:50 am

More proposals:


  • Colombia, Missouri to attract a second airline
  • Gallup, New Mexico for US Airways to Phoenix
  • Grand Forks, North Dakota to attract a second airline
  • Iron County, Michigan for an additional daily Midwest Connection flight to Milwaukee
  • Kileen, Texas for marketing
  • Klamath Falls, Oregon and North Bend, Oregon for United Express/Skywest to San Francisco (from both airports)
  • Moline/Quad Cities, Illinois for US Airways service to Phoenix
  • Monroe, Louisiana for American Eagle to Dallas
  • Sarasota, Florida for marketing and expanded service
  • Traverse City, Michigan for year-round service to Cincinnati on Delta Connection
  • Tuscaloosa, Alabama for Delta Connection to Atlanta
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:18 am

Quoting SeeTheWorld (Reply 14):
Actually, there is a pretty big difference these days between the type of service at a small-hub vs.a non-hub

Depends upon the airport. For example, FAT and BFL serve larger MSA populations than almost every other small hub's MSA but have numbers until recently that were under 500,000 boardings a year.

Quoting SeeTheWorld (Reply 14):
if you look at the awards over the past few years, you'll see that the vast majority go to non-hub airports.

Only 71 out of 460 SCASD qualifying airports are small hubs so I would expect most of the grants to go to the smaller airports.  Wink

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 15):
I'm guessing at least 500,000?

The 1997 base year cut off at BUF at 1.5 million boardings.

Additionally there were some airports listed as small hubs that saw large changes after 1997. That includes LGB, which only saw 325,000 in 1997 but saw 1.5 million in 2005. The list is here, a little hard to read but the small hubs run from BUF down to LGB, starting on page 2.
http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/X-5...20Hub%20Classification%20Stats.pdf
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:26 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 18):
The 1997 base year cut off at BUF at 1.5 million boardings.

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner.
 
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:43 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Flint, Michigian for Delta Connection to New York City-JFK

Interesting proposal, could actually happen.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
Charleston, WV for service to New York City or Newark

Probably, if granted, CO to EWR. I can't really see either DL or AA operate LGA/JFK-CRW, let alone B6.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Grand Forks, North Dakota to attract a second airline

I thought DL with its soon-to-start service to SLC will be GFK's second airline, seeing as so far only NW used to fly there?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Traverse City, Michigan for year-round service to Cincinnati on Delta Connection

I believe this application already failed twice, though thrice might be a charm. Not convinced, though.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Tuscaloosa, Alabama for Delta Connection to Atlanta

Is it that hard to drive 60 miles to BHM, an airport where fares are logically bound to be lower than at an airport that would only see one airline? Don't see much chances for this either.
 
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:57 am

Is MWA any likely to see or hear anything??

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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:07 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 20):
I thought DL with its soon-to-start service to SLC will be GFK's second airline, seeing as so far only NW used to fly there?

DL is starting SLC-FAR, not GFK.
 
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:10 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 20):
Probably, if granted, CO to EWR. I can't really see either DL or AA operate LGA/JFK-CRW, let alone B6.

Why cant you see Delta? They've got the most marketshare here and good loadfactors. They are making money in crw. They have a much larger presence than CO...
 
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:15 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 22):
DL is starting SLC-FAR, not GFK.

Damn, already getting sleepy :-P . In that case, I say the second airline will be DL to SLC, with NW (or an Airlink carrier) doing the ground handling for them  Wink .

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 23):
Why cant you see Delta? They've got the most marketshare here and good loadfactors. They are making money in crw. They have a much larger presence than CO...

Perhaps, but CRW really doesn't seem like a route that would fit DL's route structure from LGA nor from JFK. Besides, CO would probably mean more competition at CRW, and the DOT always prefer that.
 
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:26 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 24):
Perhaps, but CRW really doesn't seem like a route that would fit DL's route structure from LGA nor from JFK. Besides, CO would probably mean more competition at CRW, and the DOT always prefer that.

Does DOT get to pick the carrier? Can they make the grant applicable to only CO or DL, or do they just approve the money itself?
 
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:27 am

Is there likely to be another bid from RFD for some money?
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:27 am

Quoting SeeTheWorld (Reply 19):
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner.

Interesting rumor since I don't think I've ever seen an application for a SCASD grant from BUF. SYR yes but not BUF.
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:54 pm

I could most definitely see Delta starting JFK-CRW. With our new hub expansion I could easily see either one/two a day CRJ's or the Dash-8's when the come online.

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Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:55 pm

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 25):
Does DOT get to pick the carrier? Can they make the grant applicable to only CO or DL, or do they just approve the money itself?

No, the DOT doesn't get to pick the carrier, but the airports can help their case by either stating that the money would be to lure an LCC (worked for SRQ as an example), or at least competition to existing airlines in an attempt to make prices more affordable "in the public interest". So, it would be up to CRW to hint at CO if they preferred one carrier to the other. Don't know whether they specified any carrier, as I have not read their application.
 
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:43 pm

Toledo, Ohio has applied with hopes of service to New York City on jetBlue. Wichita, Kansas, meanwhile, has a ludicrious application in hopes of getting 3x daily service to Los Angeles or Seattle.
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:52 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 30):
Toledo, Ohio has applied with hopes of service to New York City on jetBlue.

TOL has applied for NYC service for home many years in a row now  Silly ?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 30):
Wichita, Kansas, meanwhile, has a ludicrious application in hopes of getting 3x daily service to Los Angeles or Seattle.

I don't know what the guys there are smoking, but it must be some strong sh!t.
 
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:15 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 20):
Probably, if granted, CO to EWR. I can't really see either DL or AA operate LGA/JFK-CRW, let alone B6.

Having read the app... their 2nd choice is US to LGA, on Colgan Saabs. It's well over a 400nm trip. Combine that, with LGA holds, and do you realize how restricted that Saab would be? Showing how far that route is out of a Saab mission profile, the project CASM is higher for the Saab than the ERJ-145. If they were going to aim for US, can I recommend Chautauqua? Another intesting point was the CO end of the app was specifically clamoring for an ERJ 145, but yet an average LF Analysis in the app was for under 60%. Why not use an ERJ-135?!

As for B6... the LF's would be about 30% using CRW's own figures. The E90 is WAY too much plane for that route.

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 23):
Why cant you see Delta? They've got the most marketshare here and good loadfactors. They are making money in crw. They have a much larger presence than CO...

Because CO has FAR more connecting opportunities in EWR than Delta has in LGA or JFK.
 
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:47 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 31):
TOL has applied for NYC service for home many years in a row now ?

Maybe they'll finally give it to us so we quit bugging them about it  Wink
 
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:56 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 31):
TOL has applied for NYC service for home many years in a row now ?

They've always went the way of Delta in EVERY prior application...I think that since they are finally going to target a true LCC, this application may finally have a shot this year.
 
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:14 pm

Looks like a proposal that isnt in the dockets yet will be from San Luis Obispo, CA.

The application will be for $250,000 to lure DLConn on SBP-SLC.
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/news/14285697.htm
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:47 pm

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 32):

Because CO has FAR more connecting opportunities in EWR than Delta has in LGA or JFK.

It isnt about connections....

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 32):
Having read the app... their 2nd choice is US to LGA, on Colgan Saabs. It's well over a 400nm trip. Combine that, with LGA holds, and do you realize how restricted that Saab would be? Showing how far that route is out of a Saab mission profile, the project CASM is higher for the Saab than the ERJ-145. If they were going to aim for US, can I recommend Chautauqua? Another intesting point was the CO end of the app was specifically clamoring for an ERJ 145, but yet an average LF Analysis in the app was for under 60%. Why not use an ERJ-135?!

As for B6... the LF's would be about 30% using CRW's own figures. The E90 is WAY too much plane for that route

God forbid the route would grow...you know like all of the other ones weve gotten over the years.

some credit.. please.
 
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:50 pm

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 36):
God forbid the route would grow...you know like all of the other ones weve gotten over the years.

some credit.. please.

Those are the numbers and projections that your own airport authority provided!
 
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:54 am

More...


  • Akron, Ohio for US Airways to Phoenix.
  • Altoona, Penn. for marketing.
  • Binghamton, New York for marketing.
  • Brunswick, Georgia for a second airline.
  • Burlington, Iowa for marketing.
  • Dubuque, Iowa to secure a second airline.
  • Franklin/Oil City, Penn. to improve flight schedules/boardings on US Airways.
  • Gary, Indiana for Delta Connection to Atlanta.
  • Hibbing, Minnesota to add a daily shuttle bus to Ely, Minessota (and they want over $300,000 to do it. Are they kidding?).
  • Kirksville, Missouri for third daily AA flight to St. Louis.
  • Longview, Texas for marketing.
  • Lynchburg, W. Virginia for United Express to Washington Dulles.
  • Nantucket, Mass. for market analysis study.
  • New Haven, Conn. for service to Washington, D.C. (targeting jetBlue or United Express); Chicago (targeting American Eagle or United Express); or Orlando (targeting Allegiant)
  • Pueblo, Colorado for additional Great Lakes service to Denver.
  • Russelville, Arkansas to start an on-demand jet charter service (ridiculous proposal).
  • Shreveport, LA for Allegiant Airlines to Orlando.
  • Stockton, California for service to LAX on Horizon or American Eagle.
  • Tri-Cities, TN-VA for new service, targeting United to O'Hare or Dulles.
  • Wilkes-Barre, Penn. for Allegiant or USA 3000 to Orlando and "CQ Air" (new "start-up") to Harrisburg.
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Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:36 am

I might have missed this, was Salina, KS awarded/granted to anyone yet?
 
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:50 am

I am looking at these lists and only one thing comes to mind.....
About 75% of these are unnecessary and frivolous.

A bus in Minnesota?

A private jet in Arkansas?

A fringe California city that couldn't support an airline if it was the last place on earth.

A city on an island that wants to study....study what? The difference between airplanes and ferries?

A Florida city with as much as NINE (9) mainline flights a day to world's number one hub and FOUR (4) to the nation's largest city.....needs more what?

Places that currently have good service, suited to the size of the market, that feel they need more?....like Akron, Grand Forks, San Luis Obispo, etc.

Small towns, places with less than 50.000 populations, feeling they need a second airline, feeling somehow that if another carrier came to town, all their troubles would be gone. Well for as long as the grant money lasts.

Don't get me wrong, I've never met an airline I didn't like, the more the better is my motto, but this SCASD is looking more and more like civic and corporate welfare. Or at least the purpose behind them has gone horribly astray.
There are some deserving cities and regions on the list....for whatever the reasons, they've been left behind in the nation's aviation network. They need a kickstart to gain traction in the cut-throat airline business.

But the success rate?

How many cities have maintained service after the grant funding was exhausted?

Maybe the number of cities should be cut in half, but the length of time increased to 2, maybe even 3 years....Is one year long enough for these services to attain self-sufficiency?
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:31 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 38):

# Lynchburg, W. Virginia for United Express to Washington Dulles.

Lynchburg is in Virginia, not WV.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 38):

Akron, Ohio for US Airways to Phoenix.

How the hell are they going to support that? It would have to be mainline because no RJ has the legs, and where are they getting 120 pax for an A319?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 38):

# Wilkes-Barre, Penn. for Allegiant or USA 3000 to Orlando and "CQ Air" (new "start-up") to Harrisburg.

Why?!?! It's a 100 mile drive straight down I-81! That's the most ridiculous SCASD I've seen yet.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 38):
Gary, Indiana for Delta Connection to Atlanta.

That's really going to ruffle feathers over in SBN. And with Delta already serving ORD, MDW, and SBN, why GYY too? Delta is trying to drop costs, not go into another airport to compete with their pre-existing flights.
 
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:49 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 38):
Hibbing, Minnesota to add a daily shuttle bus to Ely, Minessota (and they want over $300,000 to do it. Are they kidding?).

Since when is the SCASD used for buses?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 38):
Russelville, Arkansas to start an on-demand jet charter service (ridiculous proposal).

WTF?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 38):
Dubuque, Iowa to secure a second airline

They just got a grant not to long ago for MQ to ORD, they have 4 ERJ's a day to ORD, I don't see how they can support a second airline.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 38):
Burlington, Iowa for marketing.

Lol, gotta market that Junkstream service.  Wink
 
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:27 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 40):
A Florida city with as much as NINE (9) mainline flights a day to world's number one hub and FOUR (4) to the nation's largest city.....needs more what?

Which city is that? Of the Florida cities that applied - Melbourne, Naples, and Sarasota - none have flights to New York City anymore with the exception of SRQ's Saturday-only Delta flight to LaGuardia. I agree though, Sarasota does not need another grant - and their idea of trying to lure Frontier to Denver is just stupid.
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:52 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 43):
Which city is that?

I included Newark.
CO has one daily and 3 weekly, I am not really sure how I came up with 4....or....I might have been looking at the CLT column, and some how got it confused with NYC (?)....what? CLT doesn't look like NYC? (US does have 4 mainline dailies between CLT and SRQ)

But the point remains...SRQ needs a grant for airline service about as much as I need a grant for ass-implants.
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:21 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 43):
Of the Florida cities that applied - Melbourne, Naples, and Sarasota

Whats MLB's application for?
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RE: Small Community Grant Proposals Trickle In...

Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:47 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 45):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 43):
Of the Florida cities that applied - Melbourne, Naples, and Sarasota

Whats MLB's application for?

US Airways to Charlotte.
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:51 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 46):
Quoting Humberside (Reply 45):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 43):
Of the Florida cities that applied - Melbourne, Naples, and Sarasota

Whats MLB's application for?

US Airways to Charlotte.

Has it got a good chance of success. I guess they could do with a choice other than DL
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