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Is April 15 Really The Day For DL

Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:50 pm

Hey guys,
We all know the pilots have autherized a strike for April 15, however, we also know that just becuase it was authorized doesn't mean it will happen. Are the chances high that April 15 or 16 will be the last day for Delta?

What will happen to reservations on such a large airline that are booked all the way to December in some cases? Should I be worried about my LGA-FLL reservations in May? My parents are booked on a seperate reservation for the same flight as well...is that going to be a problem IF we have to change flights?

Thanks guys and good luck DL!
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RE: Is April 15 Really The Day For DL

Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:57 pm

Jesus, everybody's acting like it's Sabena all over again, just getting ready to die.... calm down. A lot of things are going to happen over the next few weeks.
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milesrich
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RE: Is April 15 Really The Day For DL

Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:22 pm

DeltaSFO, stop drinking the Koolaid. It might just happen, in fact the odds favor it, and the employees will move on. Other than the executives on Virginia Avenue, most if not all of the employees can and will find other work. It will be out of the airline business, but such is life. If management's plan was really turning the airline around, and operating close to break even, then the pilots probably wouldn't have voted to strike. But in February, had Delta had the imposed pilot rates, they would have lost only $175 Million. The pilots have had enough, and they are not the most altruistic bunch to begin with. They care about number 1, me, not the rest of the employee groups. If Delta was fully unionized, like American, and United, the other unions could have pressured the pilots to settle, but Delta spent so much trying to keep the union out, and playing one employee group against the other, they sealed their fate. I hope I am wrong, but unless management capitulates, it's over.
 
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RE: Is April 15 Really The Day For DL

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:03 pm

April 15 is not necessarily THE date; it's just the deadline date the arbitrators have to issue a decision. Even if they do (and in favor of DL), it doesn't mean that DL will necessarily impose the new terms (and throw out the contract) at that moment. Remember the pilots say they will only strike if DL throws out the contract. I'm not saying the pilots won't walk out but the dates are not as clear cut as that.

Then again, depending on the status of the negotiations, I guess the arbitrators could, like many BK court judges have been doing, hold off on making the decision if they see progress being made.

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 2):
But in February, had Delta had the imposed pilot rates, they would have lost only $175 Million.

Again, $71m of that was for BK reorg costs and approx. $70 m was for interest expenses. Operating losses would have come down to about $30-35 million.
 
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RE: Is April 15 Really The Day For DL

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:38 pm

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 2):
DeltaSFO, stop drinking the Koolaid. It might just happen, in fact the odds favor it, and the employees will move on. Other than the executives on Virginia Avenue, most if not all of the employees can and will find other work. It will be out of the airline business, but such is life. If management's plan was really turning the airline around, and operating close to break even, then the pilots probably wouldn't have voted to strike. But in February, had Delta had the imposed pilot rates, they would have lost only $175 Million. The pilots have had enough, and they are not the most altruistic bunch to begin with. They care about number 1, me, not the rest of the employee groups. If Delta was fully unionized, like American, and United, the other unions could have pressured the pilots to settle, but Delta spent so much trying to keep the union out, and playing one employee group against the other, they sealed their fate. I hope I am wrong, but unless management capitulates, it's over.

I'm not drinking any Koolaid. I just think there's going to be a lot of movement in the coming days. Pay attention to recent airline bankruptcies. Yes, negotiations are contentious and protracted. Yes, there is a lot of cage rattling. So far, nothing unexpected has happened in the Delta/ALPA negotiations. It's been clear for awhile that it was going to come down to this. The pilots may not be the most altruistic group of employees, but like management, they realize what is at stake here.
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RE: Is April 15 Really The Day For DL

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:51 pm

BWOOP BWOOP!! MAN YOUR STATIONS!!! MAN YOUR STATIONS!!!

Here's a new late breaking news bulletin! The truth and nothing but the truth!!

DELTA AIR LINES WILL KNOW IT'S FATE SOON ENOUGH!

Yes, that's right! You heard it here!  

On top it being the deadline for the decision, it's also tax day. The tension... it's .... so.... un-.... believably ..... boring.    We've all hacked and sliced the Delta thing in every possible way. Hey, even I've been caught up in the hoopla. We'll see what happens. I don't think one person can predict what will happen. It should be interesting, however.

Okay, Delta thread done... need to go start a B vs A thread and discuss more about NW's DC-9s....

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RE: Is April 15 Really The Day For DL

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:58 pm

My cousin is a DL 767 Driver...  Sad
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RE: Is April 15 Really The Day For DL

Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:30 pm

Can the president intervene if a strike were to take place? I remember several years ago, when American pilots were moments away from striking, I found intresting when they were on live national news, each station started sounding off saying something like "I copy, we are about to shut down" something along those lines sounded really formal, military like...then a few minutes later, Clinton came on and issued the Railroad cool off order ...
Would this be the case with DL? Would Washington have any say?

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RE: Is April 15 Really The Day For DL

Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:49 pm

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 2):
in fact the odds favor it

What a bunch crap.... You are totally making this S$%T up.... Yeah, I bet you sat down and figured out the odds yourself...!?! If you want to say something negative about DL... FINE! but why make a ridicluios comment like that...!

I seriously can not wait until the 15th... because I am so tired of hearing stupid comments like this!!!

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