afrikaskyes
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Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:11 am

Me and 5 other rampers just pushed an ERJ back using some muscle. When a jetbridge fails and there is no towbar available, go get 5 other guys and you're good to go! Piece of cake!
 
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:18 am

Out of curiosity, where did you grab it when you were pushing it back? The leadiing edge of the wings?
 
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:28 am

I've had to do that with a B1900 before. You have to be resourceful sometimes, and that was a good way to avoid taking a delay.
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:35 am

That's a solid push, that's for sure. Three of us used to push a Citation 500 every once in a while (which is like 1/4 the weight) and it was a workout, especially against a slight incline!

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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:30 am

I hand pushed a J-41 with a couple other guys once.

Nice work with the 145.
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:33 am

You must work at a pretty small airport, huh?
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting Afrikaskyes (Thread starter):
Me and 5 other rampers just pushed an ERJ back using some muscle. When a jetbridge fails and there is no towbar available, go get 5 other guys and you're good to go! Piece of cake!

That had to have been entertaining for the passengers! I'm assuming the pilot was nice enough not to spool the engines until after pushback?

-S
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DLX737200
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:40 am

Is the ERJ-145 capable of reversing from the gate under its own power? I know this has been done on other aircraft like the DC-9 and MD-80.

-Justin
 
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:51 am

Capable, yes....

Intelligent, NO

The engines are too low to the ground that FOD ingestion becomes a factor. Most operators prohibit it (well, at least the 2 airlines I've flown it with).

Nice job on the hand push, that's about 8000lbs per person.
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:59 am

Quoting Loggat (Reply 11):
Nice job on the hand push, that's about 8000lbs per person.

And using a relatively normal friction coefficient of Ruber on a relatively low friction surface (concrete) that still probably around 200-250lbs per person!

Well done!
 
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:01 am

Which one are you in this picture?  Wink

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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:05 am

Which one of you wore the towbar?
 
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:00 am

I want pics!

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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:05 am

I saw it once in SJO with a MX F100. It took about 8 guys. Very nice to see if you're not pushing!
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works4boeing
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:11 am

That's a positive, can do attitude. How many guys would it take to push back an A380?  Smile
 
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:14 am

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 10):
Is the ERJ-145 capable of reversing from the gate under its own power? I know this has been done on other aircraft like the DC-9 and MD-80

I'm sure it is, but it may not be in the ops specs for the particular airline that this airplane belongs to.
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:33 am

I know of three guys who pushed a Dornier 328 once. Quite difficult, I believe, as obviously you can't grab the wings to push!
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:56 pm

Didn't some beef guy pull a 747 once? I'm sure i saw it on TV once. Once they get it rolling it should be easy.
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:36 pm

Quoting Raventom (Reply 17):
Didn't some beef guy pull a 747 once? I'm sure i saw it on TV once. Once they get it rolling it should be easy.

It was a Guinness World Record in the 2005 book. Some guy pulled Qantas' 'Wunala Dreaming' plane like 140m @ the QANTAS base in SYD. It was pretty cool, but he was like the world's 2nd strongest man and he looked like the HULK with all those muscles, but yes it did happen  Wow!

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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:52 pm

I'm happy to have pushed an empty Swiss Learjet 35A at my local airport together with the planes two pilots in the nineties.

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raventom
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:48 pm

Quoting Pawsleykat (Reply 18):
he looked like the HULK with all those muscles

Imagine all the tow drivers and baggage handlers like that... lol
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:14 pm

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 15):
Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 10):
Is the ERJ-145 capable of reversing from the gate under its own power? I know this has been done on other aircraft like the DC-9 and MD-80

I'm sure it is, but it may not be in the ops specs for the particular airline that this airplane belongs to.

If the emb 145 has T/R's, you can power back.
 
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:53 pm

Quoting AndersNilsson (Reply 19):
with the planes two pilots in the nineties.

Both the pilots were over 90 years old ?? Big grin
 
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:18 pm

We had to do this at MCO with a B727 back in the mid-1990's. We had acquired some ex-Eastern 727's for the Shuttle and they required a non-standard towbar head which usually traveled with the aircraft. The aircraft arrived without the towbar head and nobody noticed until the aircraft was ready to push. It was a weekend flight going back to LGA.

I recall it took about 16 ramp agents to push the aircraft back. - main gears, fuselage gear doors. It was a sight to behold. I would have photographed it if I could have.
 
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:22 pm

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 22):
Both the pilots were over 90 years old ??

That one is funny!!!  Big grin
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:29 pm

Quoting KAUSpilot (Reply 1):
where did you grab it when you were pushing it back?

almost sounds erotic lol
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:49 pm

Quoting Nwab787techops (Reply 21):
If the emb 145 has T/R's, you can power back.

Just because an airplane has something doesn't mean you can use it. Take NW, YX and FL for example. The all have members of the MD-80/717 family. NW and FL have a set powerback procedure in their ops manual that has been approved by the FAA. YX has the same type of of aircraft, but since they have not gotten powerbacks approved by the FAA they are not allowed to do them. Doing a non approved procedure is a good way to lose your job, and also get a sizable fine for the company. So once again, just because this airline has T/R's on their 145's it doesn't mean that they are allowed to do a powerback.

Also, some airports have a strict policy that may forbid powerbacks.
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:57 pm

Quoting Raventom (Reply 17):
Once they get it rolling it should be easy.

Let's be serious now! What's your idea of easy?!? I imagine that dude was sore after that little adventure, even if he was the Hulk!
 
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:22 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 2):
I've had to do that with a B1900 before. You have to be resourceful sometimes, and that was a good way to avoid taking a delay.

Me too AT737.  Big grin Spot 14 had a Mx delay blocking spot 12 from leaving.
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:35 am

Yeah, well this one time at band camp I had to tow a B757 all by myself by hand across the active.  Wink
 
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:57 am

Quoting Wannabe (Reply 11):
Which one of you wore the towbar?

Best A.net quote in a while!
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:24 am

Quoting Aogdesk (Reply 29):
Yeah, well this one time at band camp I had to tow a B757 all by myself by hand across the active.

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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:18 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 26):
So once again, just because this airline has T/R's on their 145's it doesn't mean that they are allowed to do a powerback.

Also - an EMB145 (like any regional jet) has engines very low to the ground, compared to a 727, DC9, MD80, or 717 ... this vastly increases your FOD danger.

They could well be fully licensed and approved for powerbacks, but didn't want to take the chance on FOD. Much safer to just get a bunch of guys to push you.

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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:29 am

A friend of mine that works at SAT told me that on occasion they have had to pushback several types of aircraft, Boeing, MD's, and ERJ's. Evidently the ramp slopes away from the terminal at a very slight grade so once they get it going it's not too tough to keep the momentum up.
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:15 am

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 7):
Is the ERJ-145 capable of reversing from the gate under its own power? I know this has been done on other aircraft like the DC-9 and MD-80.

Many ERJs are not equipped with R/T. But if they are I suppose it's theoretically possible.

Quoting Works4boeing (Reply 14):
That's a positive, can do attitude. How many guys would it take to push back an A380?

Unlike the ERJ, you can't push against the wings, but I suppose there are plenty of wheels to grab.
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 27):
Let's be serious now! What's your idea of easy?!? I imagine that dude was sore after that little adventure, even if he was the Hulk!

Momentum :S Let me rephrase just for you... easier.
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RE: Embraer 145 Pushback By Hand.

Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:54 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 26):
Doing a non approved procedure is a good way to lose your job, and also get a sizable fine for the company.

Yup. Biggest reason for no powerback allowed is because of debris that can be picked up and thrown into pitot, static ports, etc. which can make life real interesting about halfway through a T/O roll. It's common on the rear engines because they are high and less likely to pick ground debris up. If you notice, they'll never do powerback on the 9's at DTW when there is snow on the ground.

I did see a 742 execute a 3-point turn one time...but that was at Kuwait during Gulf War I when a scud had just hit the city. The tower told him to get out of that end of the airport. Unfortunately they were boxed in...so the boys wasted no time doing what needed to be done, and got the hell out fast!
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