717fan
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Where Will China's MD-90's Go?

Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:57 pm

The Iran Air Tours deal has reportedly been cancelled. For how long will the 90's stay in China? Where will China Eastern's and China Southern's MD-90's go? Thanks
 
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RE: Where Will China's MD-90's Go?

Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:59 pm

Perhaps Hello might be interested in adding additional MD90'S.
 
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RE: Where Will China's MD-90's Go?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:25 am

The MD-90 is now for the Chinese what the Trident was for them in the 1980s; an unwanted design but capable of flying their domestic routes for at least another 10 years. The Iranian deal was Saudi and China's only chance to get rid of them. I now expect Saudi and China hanging on to their fleets right til they are scrapped while the smaller SAS and Delta fleets will spread over small operators like Blue1 and Ghana .
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RE: Where Will China's MD-90's Go?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:30 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 2):
I now expect Saudi and China hanging on to their fleets right til they are scrapped while the smaller SAS and Delta fleets will spread over small operators like Blue1 and Ghana .

Midwest is still a possible buyer for some of Delta's MD-90s, but probably only if a deal can be reached withing the next year or so.
 
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RE: Where Will China's MD-90's Go?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:01 am

Iran Aseman Airlines and Mahan Air are understood to be the newoweners of these aircrafts.
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RE: Where Will China's MD-90's Go?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:12 am

No one really wants DC-10's, I would expect China Eastern and Southern would hold on to them until they go the plane graveyard in Arizona.
 
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RE: Where Will China's MD-90's Go?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 2):
The MD-90 is now for the Chinese what the Trident was for them in the 1980s; an unwanted design but capable of flying their domestic routes for at least another 10 years. The Iranian deal was Saudi and China's only chance to get rid of them. I now expect Saudi and China hanging on to their fleets right til they are scrapped while the smaller SAS and Delta fleets will spread over small operators like Blue1 and Ghana .

I didn't know that Saudi was a party to the air tours deal. I think SV has long ago resigned to keeping those MD-90s to the end.
 
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RE: Where Will China's MD-90's Go?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:46 am

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 6):
I didn't know that Saudi was a party to the air tours deal.

Saudia was in talks with Iran to sell them the MD-90s around 2001-2003ish but that deal didn't work out either. Indeed they now seem to hang on to them in combination with smaller Embraers.
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RE: Where Will China's MD-90's Go?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:28 am

No one said DL is getting rid of their MD90s. They are owned, not leased so cannot be rejected in bankruptcy. It's entirely possible that DL might choose to pick up the Chinese MD90s; they are cheaper to operate than the MD80 and, while not industry leading they are viable, cheap transportation.
 
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RE: Where Will China's MD-90's Go?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:33 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 8):
No one said DL is getting rid of their MD90s. They are owned, not leased so cannot be rejected in bankruptcy. It's entirely possible that DL might choose to pick up the Chinese MD90s; they are cheaper to operate than the MD80 and, while not industry leading they are viable, cheap transportation.

The MD-90 will likely stay with DL until it retires. Respectful exit for a great aircraft.
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RE: Where Will China's MD-90's Go?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:47 am

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 3):
Midwest is still a possible buyer for some of Delta's MD-90s, but probably only if a deal can be reached withing the next year or so.

I thought that YX would want those birds myself. On the contraire, I don't think they want to do much of a fleet expansion as of late, but I could be wrong...
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RE: Where Will China's MD-90's Go?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:13 am

I didn't know Iran Aseman and Mahan are interested at those MD-90's...where does this information comes, is it confirmed?
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RE: Where Will China's MD-90's Go?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:19 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 8):
MD90s; they are cheaper to operate than the MD80

In what lifetime?
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RE: Where Will China's MD-90's Go?

Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:04 am

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Ghana was going to take the Pro Air 90's that are being broken up. Tha Saudi are special cockpit, they are going nowhere, Blue1 is using the ex Nordic Leisure, awaiting their own, and Hello is leasing the three MD90's they acquired from SAS to Iceland Express. No one is looking to "get rid" of these birds including JAS, EVA/UNI, or DL.
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RE: Where Will China's MD-90's Go?

Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 8):
No one said DL is getting rid of their MD90s. They are owned, not leased so cannot be rejected in bankruptcy. It's entirely possible that DL might choose to pick up the Chinese MD90s; they are cheaper to operate than the MD80 and, while not industry leading they are viable, cheap transportation.

There's something else to consider : the MD90 has performance characteristics that make it vital for DL's operations out of SLC ... if they decide to grow their hub there, they might very well be interested in additional MD90s (if they are CHEAP) to help with that growth.

- litz
 
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RE: Where Will China's MD-90's Go?

Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:23 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
In what lifetime?

MD-90 fuel burn is comparable to Boeing and Airbus' current generation of narrowbody 150 seaters. For an airline that already operates the MD-88 or existing MD-90s, add'l MD-90 should be pretty attractive esp. given what must be very low lease rates. The question is obviously how many MD-90s are on the market and how compatible they are w/ existing fleets.
 
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RE: Where Will China's MD-90's Go?

Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:51 am

Quoting D950 (Reply 13):
Tha Saudi are special cockpit, they are going nowhere

Could you explain what is different about the Saudi cockpit?
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RE: Where Will China's MD-90's Go?

Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:14 pm

Quoting Scalebuilder (Reply 16):
Could you explain what is different about the Saudi cockpit?

Similiar to the 717 cockpit, with six EFIS screens, although the two do not share a type rating. Most MD-90s have the older EFIS cockpit like the MD-88.


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The picture on the left is a Delta MD-90, the right is a 717. There are no pictures of Saudi MD-90 cockpits in the database.
 
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RE: Where Will China's MD-90's Go?

Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:16 pm

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 17):
The picture on the left is a Delta MD-90, the right is a 717.

The 717 deck looks a lot more modern - looks like more screens than dials and gauges and...

...and they're beeping and blinking, anndd theey're beeepiinng aaaand I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE!!

Anyone remember that one from the sequal?  Wink
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RE: Where Will China's MD-90's Go?

Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:50 pm

Some of the Aircraft were due to fly over to Bournemouth, England for re-sale by European Aircharter but this deal fell through with China.

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