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United787
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Miami Barrel Roll?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:42 am

I have a friend who's wife was on a flight from Barbados to Miami about 10-15 years when on approach the plane got trapped in some jet wash from a plane in front and according to my friend, either did a barrel roll, or partial barrel roll, of pretty serious dive.

Does anyone remember anything about this?

I have never heard of an airline doing a barrel roll and surviving except for the 707 flight test so I just assumed it was some pretty bad turbulence, but I am curious because whatever happened it made her deathly afraid of flying again.

He believes it was AA but it may not have been Miami.
 
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RE: Miami Barrel Roll?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:33 am

Back about a decade or so ago, maybe longer, I remember hearing about a Comair E-120 Brasilia flying from Nassau to MCO encountering unexpected icing and experiencing severe dutch rolls trying to recover control. The plane landed safely at MCO, and other than the flight attendant suffering some bumps and bruises, everyone came out of it ok.
 
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RE: Miami Barrel Roll?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:40 am

Quoting FLALEFTY (Reply 1):
experiencing severe dutch rolls trying to recover control

What are Dutch Rolls?
 
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RE: Miami Barrel Roll?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:17 am

Where did everybody go?
 
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RE: Miami Barrel Roll?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:21 am

Could your friend have been thinking about a AirFlorida Lockheed L-188 Electra that executed a non approved manuver when one of the aircrafts propellers went to beta pitch...??

Timeframe for the above event would have been in the early '80's.
 
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RE: Miami Barrel Roll?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:27 am

Quoting United787 (Thread starter):
I have never heard of an airline doing a barrel roll and surviving except for the 707 flight test

Hapag-Lloyd's training school was known to have instructors that would often demonstrate how to roll a 727...which is a trick to do with a T-tail.
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RE: Miami Barrel Roll?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:40 am

The check pilot I had for my PPL said that he knew a pilot who got caught in some wake turbulence on approach to LAX, and that the pilot let the aircraft barrel roll inorder not to exceed the CG limits. "He didn't fight it, he went with the flow". I believe it was a Learjet 45.

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RE: Miami Barrel Roll?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:20 am

Quoting LH463 (Reply 6):
The check pilot I had for my PPL said that he knew a pilot who got caught in some wake turbulence on approach to LAX, and that the pilot let the aircraft barrel roll inorder not to exceed the CG limits. "He didn't fight it, he went with the flow". I believe it was a Learjet 45

My aviation safety professor recommended the same thing, his exact words were, you are probably going to die anyway so at least have some fun while you are at it.

And it is not about not exceeding the CG limits, it is about not exceeding the ultimate load, apparently you are very likely to break up the airplane if you fight a sever wake turbulence, but if you go with it you might make it.
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RE: Miami Barrel Roll?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:13 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 7):
not to exceed the CG limits

Sorry... Luisca is right it's not the CG limits, it's the load factor.
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RE: Miami Barrel Roll?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:40 am

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 3):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_roll

The cabin crew reported the aircraft interior was like a Dutch Oven after the manoeuvre.  Wink
 
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RE: Miami Barrel Roll?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:03 pm

There was a video of what I think was a TAROM A310 landing in Europe about 15 years ago performing an "un-scheduled" roll with passengers and landed safely!
 
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RE: Miami Barrel Roll?

Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting Pgv (Reply 5):
Hapag-Lloyd's training school was known to have instructors that would often demonstrate how to roll a 727...which is a trick to do with a T-tail.

Have they done it or just demonstrated with a model?

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