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Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:15 am

So..i'm on holiday and i'm driving on the I-5 between LA and San Francisco, suddenly this plane shoots over us and lands in this airfield beside the road on the I-5. (a small grass strip)

Now..it was a Cessna aircraft going about 100mph..it overtook us and we were doing no more than 80. We never caught it up and as it landed (about 6ft in the air), the nose shot up, the tail scrapped quite badly, then the nose shot down, totally bent the propeller and broke the whole of the front undercarriage and the just shuddered to a halt!!

So...was this plane going to fast, if it was landing at 100mph roughly?! and whats the name of that airfield? (if there is one!)

If it was going too fast, i cant see how this plane would have done this then?? (also..there was NO wind at all, i could tell as the trees weren't moving as we were going past!!)

Thanks for your help!!

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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:44 am

Where exactly was it on I-5? In the mountains north of Los Angeles? Or in the central valley?

And it wasn't a crop duster, was it?

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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:53 am

It was way north of the mountains, north of Bakersfield and definately not a crop duster (they're yellow, this was white). A proper Cessena prop.

Theres just this small airfield alongside the I-5 it had about 3 aircraft in, perhaps one a Beech, grass strip, and with a small Shell gas station

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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:55 am

I took a look for airports next to the I-5 on my MS Streets and Trips program and found a possibility

Harris Ranch Airport
Coalinga, California
http://www.airnav.com/airport/3O8

It looks to be a little more than halfway to SF.

and its between Fresno and Bakersfield

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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:56 am

Sounds like Harris Ranch. The airfield is about half way between SF and LA, just east of I-5.

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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:56 am

Probably Harris Ranch (State Highway 198)...there's an airstrip not more than a few yards east of the northbound lanes.

http://www.airnav.com/airport/3O8

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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:59 am

Yep that seems to be the one!! Well theres a plane on the runway or at the airport with the nose on the ground and a bent propellor!!

so was it going to fast then? i cant think how else it could have happened ?!

Thanks for the help!

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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:04 am

If it was Harris Ranch, I'm surprised you didn't smell it from miles away!! That's one of the largest cattle ranching areas left in the country - great restaurant, but that critical mass of cattle is tough on the olfactory senses!!
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:14 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 7):
I'm surprised you didn't smell it from miles away

Well then yep that was definately the airport then!!! Can't mistake that smell!

We mush have passed thousands of cattle!!!
 
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:17 am

Harris Ranch is a good candidate but it is not real far north of The Grapevine.

Patterson Airport actually seems to be closer to the freeway but it is a long ways north, almost to the turnoff to Livermore.

There is also another, don't know if it is a real airport or not but I think I've seen cropdusters use a strip just east of I-5 a quarter mile or so, south of West Panoche Road. It would be just about 15-16 miles southwest of the Mendota Airport and right alongside the northbound lanes.
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:34 am

Ohhh... ouch. Prop strike = automatic engine overhaul. We had a simular thing like this happen at ATW only the plane had icing problems and landed nose first, bounced a few times, and finally came to a hault. It needed to be towed off the runway.

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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:35 am

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Harris Ranch is a good candidate but it is not real far north of The Grapevine.

Actually, Harris Ranch sits at Interstate 5 and Highway 198, almost directly due west of Visalia. From Harris Ranch to the junction with with Hwy. 99 is 103 miles.

http://www.harrisranch.com

It is roughly halfway between Los Angeles and San Francisco.

http://www.harrisranch.com/directions_flyin.html

AirNav instructions on the airport.
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:51 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 7):
If it was Harris Ranch, I'm surprised you didn't smell it from miles away!! That's one of the largest cattle ranching areas left in the country - great restaurant, but that critical mass of cattle is tough on the olfactory senses!!

Hehehe, yep, that's why you carry a lot of speed through that section of I-5 and keep an eye on your Valentine One Big grin
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:34 am

Yeah, 100 mph is a bit fast for landing a small plane like that. Considering a 737 lands at (roughly) 138-143 kn, a single prop would be a bit quick at that speed.
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:46 am

Normally, you'll aim for 65mph for a Flaps 40 landing in a 172. 80mph would be for a Flaps 10 landing, and 100mph would be the cruise speed, normally not someting you want at 100' AGL with a negative V/S reading  Wink
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:20 pm

Quoting MrFord (Reply 14):
Normally, you'll aim for 65mph for a Flaps 40 landing in a 172. 80mph would be for a Flaps 10 landing, and 100mph would be the cruise speed

Depending on the model... 65Kts is the normal approach speed with flaps 30. with flaps 10 you can approach at up to 110Kts. The pilot was probably indicating between 85-95Kts. IMHO the pilot was high on his approach which would cause him to dip the nose to get lower. The Vfe speed for full flaps is 85Kts which is about 98 (statute) MPH. This is a problem some private pilots face. Starting a pattern high and trying to compensate on final. Some just don't trust in the fact that cessnas GLIDE! Especially the 172. This is a very unfortunate accident! Hope no one was hurt!
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:43 pm

Quoting BigJimFX (Reply 15):
This is a problem some private pilots face. Starting a pattern high and trying to compensate on final.

I guess that pilot missed the lesson on forward slips...

Quoting BigJimFX (Reply 15):
Some just don't trust in the fact that cessnas GLIDE! Especially the 172.

Hehe. You're preaching to the choir here... Sheeeeet, I'm one of those nutcases who flies gliders and feels that if it has wings, it can glide! Speaking of which, I HAVE thermaled in a C-152 Aerobat once... that was fun, but proves that you can do anything you want in your aircraft as long as you have confidence in your machinery.
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:35 pm

That's strange. It's hard to tell what caused it from your description.

Quoting BigJimFX (Reply 15):
IMHO the pilot was high on his approach which would cause him to dip the nose to get lower.

Which, as you know, is the wrong thing to do!
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:35 pm

Yeah it looked like no-one was hurt...just one very shook up pilot!!! It certainly wasn't going 65 knots at all, the way it just swooped over us and then tail scraped, nose shot up and down was amazing. I couldn't believe what i was seeing!

and yes the smell was quite...erm...noticable!!!!

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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:47 pm

I used to drive on I-5 btwn LA and Sacramento on a weekly basis when I was attendin a flight school in LA. It sure sounds like Harris Ranch where a lot of Highway patrol Cessna's land. Watch your speed around that area by the way, I've gotten way too many tickets around that area. I think there's a hwy 33 crossing I-5 right around there, not 198.

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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:50 pm

Wow that must have been a sight. I am sure other drivers all were stunned when they saw that too. Lucky no accidents occured on the highway from that accident.

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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:53 pm

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 19):
No way of missing the damn smell around there

No wonder you got so many tickets from that area..........trying to get away from the smell ASAP. Were the tickets from the Cessna after it landed behind you Wink or from a highway patrol vehicle?
 
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:10 pm

Me thinks the pilot was distracted holding his nose due to the cow stench.

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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:10 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 21):
No wonder you got so many tickets from that area..........trying to get away from the smell ASAP. Were the tickets from the Cessna after it landed behind you Wink or from a highway patrol vehicle?

 rotfl 

I know huuh! Actually, highway patrol use aome kind of a high wing plane to look for speeders while circling at 2000 feet over the highway. They spot you about 3 miles away and by the time you realize it, you have some cop behind you.
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:12 pm

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I think there's a hwy 33 crossing I-5 right around there, not 198.

Hwy 33 runs from Ojai through the mountains of Southern California, hooking up at Hwy 166 for the descent of the dizzying Grocer's Grade into Maricopa, separating and continuing north through Taft, then paralleling I-5, stopping at Hwy 198. To continue, 33 temporarily joins up with Hwy 269 in Avenal, then switching to I-5 for 30 miles before branching off to the north, and finally ending at Hwy 152 in Santa Rita park east of Los Banos.

According to the website, Harris Ranch claims to be at I-5 and Hwy 198. Definitely worth a visit to the restaurant!!
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:28 pm

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 23):
I know huuh! Actually, highway patrol use aome kind of a high wing plane to look for speeders while circling at 2000 feet over the highway. They spot you about 3 miles away and by the time you realize it, you have some cop behind you.

Phew! Lucky we didn't get caught.. LOL! They would have wanted to catch the beamer instead of us, probabaly doing about 130/140mph but the group of cars just simply took off. What a great trap - trucks overtaking trucks, making those speedsters frustrated and once they are clear they take off and could have a Cessna chasing them down! Great story!
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:10 pm

Having flown into this airport many, many times it never ceases to amaze me how many pilots just don't use proper technique. I can even go as far as to say a lot don't even use the checklist.
This airport is really a "no-brainer" to land at. In fact I've seen a Cessna Citation I and and Citation-jet land there without any problems.
So a C-172 approaching at 100Mph (86kts) is way too fast for that field. Now having had 3 engine failures in the 172 model I will tell you this, he could have had an engine failure and was putting it down at the closest field possible.
Those landings tend not to be the most graceful.
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Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:41 pm

I'm glad we don't have police highway patrol aeroplanes catching speeders in new zealand
 
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:52 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 27):
I'm glad we don't have police highway patrol aeroplanes catching speeders in new zealand

or in Canada. if they hv those here, i'm screwed.
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:01 pm

Quoting YLWbased (Reply 28):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 27):
I'm glad we don't have police highway patrol aeroplanes catching speeders in new zealand

or in Canada. if they hv those here, i'm screwed.

With my car and some work cars its very easy to not notice that I'm over the speed limit (turbo XR6s and XR8s especially)
 
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:25 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 27):
I'm glad we don't have police highway patrol aeroplanes catching speeders in new zealand

You should be. There's almost no way to avoid those guys when they're using a plane to look for speeders.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 24):

You're definately right. I think 33 Northa towards Coalinga brances off where they have all the cows.

Quoting Bablackpilot (Reply 26):
Having flown into this airport many, many times it never ceases to amaze me how many pilots just don't use proper technique. I can even go as far as to say a lot don't even use the checklist.
This airport is really a "no-brainer" to land at. In fact I've seen a Cessna Citation I and and Citation-jet land there without any problems.

I actually flew into this airport for a fuel stop while doing my cross country. I don't see how anyone can screw up the landing since it's cut and dry so I'd guess he was having engine troubles too.
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:40 am

Right, 100mph is well over the landing speed for a 172.

Quoting Bablackpilot (Reply 26):
Now having had 3 engine failures in the 172

Wow! Always near a suitable field I gather? 3 is quite a number, but correct me if I'm wrong...hope there wo't be a 4.
 
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:45 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 19):
Watch your speed around that area by the way, I've gotten way too many tickets around that area.

Ain't that the truth! I think that the CHP must find some dimented humour in making us sit there breathing in the cow smell while they take their sweet time writing those tickets.
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:01 am

IF the CHP birds down there are anything like the ones they fly out of OAK, they're impressive birds... (Late Model Skylanes with heavily modified interiors - one side of the rear cabin is just a sheet of plexiglass, and inside they have an array of lidar, radar, night vision, and I can only assume a number of vascar calculators.)

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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:12 am

Guys, 80 knots isn't the same as 80mph, 80 knots = 92 mph, 60 knots = 69mph, so if the guy says it was going about 100mph, it couldn't have been far off it's intended approach speed (80-60knots). If it was landing on a grass strip then it probably wasn't an emergency, I would hazard a guess and say maybe it was a flapless landing or windshear...but of course those are just guesses, if you really want to know what happened there'll almost certainly be an accident write-up by the FAA?
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting Wingscrubber (Reply 34):
I would hazard a guess and say maybe it was a flapless landing

I'm gonna go with Wingscubber and also say that it was a flapless landing. When your approaching at higher speeds such as in this case the control surfaces are very sensitive, thus making it more difficult to flare. Maybe he just ran it nose first into the ground?
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:51 am

The last time I landed at Harris Ranch it was paved so if BA0284 is sure it was a grass field it wasn't Harris Ranch. I've also seen novice pilots let that long stretch of I-5 next to the runway with the speeding autos zipping by cloud there judgment when setting up their approach. Great place to stop and have a nice meal.  Smile  Smile  Smile
 
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:39 am

Quoting EridanMan (Reply 33):
Your 500 dollar V1 or Escort is a paperweight against one of those.

All they have to do is time your car between the airplane-milemarkers along the shoulder. That distance in a certain time is a ticket. Period. Paragraph.

An acquaintance got written for 165 MPH along that stretch of I-5. He kept the ticket framed at his home. Airplane timed him and a car ahead stopped him - from in front of him.
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:53 am

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Airplane timed him and a car ahead stopped him - from in front of him.

Ever since the CHP got their first Mustang 5.0's (and started getting out of those horrific Dodge Diplomats!!), speeding on California's interstates got a LOT more difficult who were used to outrunning just about everything in the old CHP fleet!
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:09 am

Aahhh the memories! I would give anything to be able to make the I-5 orr the 99 Grapevine drive again! I miss California!

I remeber my first encounter with a crop duster in the Sierra Nevada mountains. Out if the corner of my eye I see this plane coming at me at full speed then he climed out very quick. I had to stop for a while and watch him.

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Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:10 am

Quoting T210Dave (Reply 36):
Harris Ranch it was paved so if BA0284 is sure it was a grass field it wasn't Harris Ranch

Well there could have been a paved runway there but this plane landed on a piece of grass..for sure.

Didn't see any highway patrol planes...just plenty of yellow crop sprayers. what do the highway patrol ones look like? do they disguise them in yellow to make it look like a crop plane?!?  laughing 

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Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:52 am

Quoting YLWbased (Reply 28):
or in Canada. if they hv those here, i'm screwed.

Clearly you haven't driven much in Canada if you stand behind what you state.
Highways that come to mind immediately are highway 99 in Vancouver, BC and highway 9 through to Newmarket, On. I think that sections of the 417 to Ottawa and hwy 20 Montreal - Quebec city also are aircraft patrolled.

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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:32 am

From the description it sounds like he came in too fast and then flared too high and stalled out. Fortunately, it sounds like he didn't gain too much altitude in the "balloon" type flare out.
I wonder if the pilot was experiencing engine problems which led to this landing? He may have panicked and got careless on the approach.
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:14 pm

Quoting L1329II (Reply 39):
Ever since the CHP got their first Mustang 5.0's (and started getting out of those horrific Dodge Diplomats!!), speeding on California's interstates got a LOT more difficult who were used to outrunning just about everything in the old CHP fleet!

Eh... On a straight, flat road, my car could get away from a C172 fairly easily*... Not to mention anything the CHP has on the ground.

Its just his friend up the road with the spike-strips that would worry me Wink (that and my own sense of sanity/strong desire never to see the inside of a prison Wink)

* For maybe 40 minutes on a full tank of Gas... if I was lucky.
 
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:30 pm

I've found that most of the time on I-5, as long as you're not doing anything inordinately stupid (like swerving back and forth between lanes and what not) that they're not all that strict about pulling you over for speed. There have been times where I've been caught dead-to-rights doing 85 in a 70 and the cop just passes me by and gives me a stern look.

Now, Hwy 99 is a different story entirely. 70 is the speed limit and that's all you better do, it's a cherry farm over there.

Obviously, your mileage may vary...I had one guy tail me for about 15 miles on I-5 waiting for me to go over 70. Not.
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Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:56 pm

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 38):
All they have to do is time your car between the airplane-milemarkers along the shoulder. That distance in a certain time is a ticket. Period. Paragraph.

Yeah, that's VASCAR...

I can assure you that the aircraft is also equipped with a for/rear facing radar unit (like on patrol cars) _and_ it appeared as though there was a second lidar/radar combo unit in a turret within the vehicle...

Not sure what they'd need it fore when they can just time you with a stopwatch... but at least the ship flying out of OAK does appear to be pretty heavily 'armed'.
 
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RE: Driving On The I-5...plane Crashes Next To Me!

Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:19 am

Quoting FiveMileFinal (Reply 44):
Now, Hwy 99 is a different story entirely. 70 is the speed limit and that's all you better do, it's a cherry farm over there.

Unless you know the spots where the CHP likes to work on 99.  Wink Just came back from Southern California on 99 and did, oh shall I say, more than a little over the speed limit.
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