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Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:13 pm

MEDIA ALERT
QANTAS GROUP ANNOUNCEMENT
QANTAS, JETSTAR, AUSTRALIAN AIRLINES
INTERNATIONAL ROUTE NETWORK
Tuesday, 11 April 2006
9.30 am

Media are invited to attend a media conference with the Chief Executive Officer of Qantas, Mr Geoff Dixon, and the Chief Executive of Jetstar, Mr Alan Joyce. Media conference to commence at 9.30 am

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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:14 pm

hmm!! So they've finally made up their mind regarding B787.
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:16 pm

Quoting Aseem (Reply 1):
hmm!! So they've finally made up their mind regarding B787.

what i hear it's to do with routes.
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:23 pm

Quoting Aseem (Reply 1):
hmm!! So they've finally made up their mind regarding B787.

?!?!?!

... anyway yes, it's supposed to be the Jetstar International initial route announcement, dates, and all the rest of it.
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:33 pm

Quoting QANTAS077 (Thread starter):
Media are invited to attend a media conference with the Chief Executive Officer of Qantas, Mr Geoff Dixon, and the Chief Executive of Jetstar

With Qantas and Jetstar being there, i bet they are going to annouce some route changes. Isn't Qantas using Australian as the LCC carrier for international routes?

Anyone know if there will be a webcast?

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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:36 pm

Some speculation that the demise of Australian could be announced tomorrow. Very sad, but it wouldn't be unexpected.
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:38 pm

Hope they anounce flights to MAD  Silly Now that would really make my day  Big grin
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:42 pm

Guess: Australian disappears as a brand, becomes JetStar International right away so that QF can "launch" JQ International earlier than expected.
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:58 pm

Why would they close down Australian? i thought it was doing very well, and passengers enjoy the flight
If not now, then when?
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:33 am

Quoting Jc2354 (Reply 8):
Why would they close down Australian? i thought it was doing very well, and passengers enjoy the flight

It's the only part of the Qantas Group flight operations departments that is constantly making a loss. A lot of that has been due to bad luck though with things like the Bali bombings and the tsunami etc...
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:37 am

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 7):
Guess: Australian disappears as a brand, becomes JetStar International right away so that QF can "launch" JQ International earlier than expected

Here is a first report. AO is being re-absorbed by the Qantas mainline operation and AO aircraft will be re-painted into QF colours as their interiors are put back into 2 class configuration.

http://finance.news.com.au/story/0,10166,18776751-462,00.html

It'll be a few hours yet before we get news of JQ Internationals initial routes.
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:52 am

Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 6):
Hope they anounce flights to MAD Now that would really make my day

I`m waiting for the daily service between MAD-SYD..........In the B777LR
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:53 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 10):
Here is a first report. AO is being re-absorbed by the Qantas mainline operation and AO aircraft will be re-painted into QF colours as their interiors are put back into 2 class configuration.

http://finance.news.com.au/story/0,10166,18776751-462,00.html

It'll be a few hours yet before we get news of JQ Internationals initial routes.

They say in that press release they will keep the Cairns base, but the aircraft will revert back to standard QF 763s. Does that mean QF will now fly AO's old routes? Or will JQ eventually take over those toutes? Or are the routes themselves, done for?
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:54 am

I don´t get it. Why don´t they make Australian do what Jetstar shall do in the future? Why the new brand? Shame, the vibrant Australian livery looks better than Jetstars...
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:04 am

Quoting NA (Reply 13):
I don´t get it. Why don´t they make Australian do what Jetstar shall do in the future? Why the new brand? Shame, the vibrant Australian livery looks better than Jetstars...

The cost of the Australian Airlines employees is higher than the Jetstar employees. Jetstar is also the much more well known brand within Australia, so it's an easy decision really.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 12):
They say in that press release they will keep the Cairns base, but the aircraft will revert back to standard QF 763s. Does that mean QF will now fly AO's old routes? Or will JQ eventually take over those toutes? Or are the routes themselves, done for?

I don't know... my guess would be that a portion of Jetstar international will base in Cairns and continue flying the some of the routes with the A332s.

The 767s will go back to QF mainline to replace the 332s that are being lost to Jetstar.

I feel that the big picture QF plan is to have Jetstar fly previously unprofitable routes (as has been announced) in order to develop the routes enough to be profitable to Qantas and then Qantas go back on the route. Another guess of course.
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:03 am

 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:21 am

Yep no surprises in that lot. The A330-200's will fly.

Sydney to

Honolulu (2xweekly)
Bali (2xweekly)
Phuket (2xweekly)
Ho Chi Minh City (2xweekly)
Osaka (daily)

Melbourne to

Honolulu (2xweekly)
Bali (2xweekly)
Bangkok (2xweekly)

Brisbane to

Osaka (Daily)

So that means all continuing services from Cairns will be on Qantas mainline aircraft.

Interesting that AO staff will be retained and wet leased to Qantas mainline. Are AO staff paid/covered the same as mainline QF staff??
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:33 am

as per usual everything is east coast orientated, considering those leisure routes are very popular from Perth i'm suprised that nothing has been scheduled for the west. seems only Bali will eventually come online from the west.
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:49 am

Quite clever - AO remains (so QF still get their cost benefits) but for the average punter and for the purposes of brand, it just looks like any other Qantas flight. I wonder if this will create any frictions between staff who are paid varying amounts for doing the same job?

On a more technical note on this issue, does this mean the flight will be badged "Qantas operated by Australian Airlines" just like the current "Qantaslink operated by Eastern Australia Airlines"?
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:56 am

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 17):
considering those leisure routes are very popular from Perth i'm suprised that nothing has been scheduled for the west

Why?? Jetstar barely flies to Perth how it is and, especially to Bali/Indonesia, there are plenty of options to get there. Besides which you may find some sort of arrangement emerge between Jetstar and Jetstar Asia to operate through services to Bali in the future. I'd see it as an obvious linkage point for Perth and would allow for the transfer of A320's between JQ Asia and JQ Australia.

I'm somewhat surprised that a city, such as Osaka, doesn't warrant business class from Sydney as I'd have thought there would be sufficient demand for it versus Cairns??
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:24 am

"The Jetstar fleet will transition to the 311-seat Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft - part of Qantas' $20 billion fleet reinvestment program - from August 2008."



311 seats in a 787-8? They really are going to pack them in there aren't they?
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:39 am

So it said that Qantas will serve Nagoya and Tokyo. I was thinking that Jetstar would do this. So does this mean I will have mainline QF planes in NGO again?
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:05 am

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 20):
311 seats in a 787-8? They really are going to pack them in there aren't they?

Sounds like one or two class with a small premium section and a very large
economy section in 9 abreast.
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:13 am

Actually SYD/HNL is 3 weekly, MEL/HNL 2 weekly and the mainline QF 3 weekly is maintained, just a slight increase in capacity !!!!

Intersting moves especially the SYD/KIX/BNE/SYD routing, I would imagine when this commences, (MAR 'O7) that will spell the demise of the JL flight doing the same route.

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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:13 am

It's sad to see AO disappear but I wish JQ the best of luck. Good to see more B763's in QF colors though, but at a loss to the AO colors.
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:05 pm

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 19):
especially to Bali/Indonesia, there are plenty of options to get there.

really, with AO gone Perth people will have one direct option to Bali and that's Garuda and a 3 times weekly service to Jakarta with Qantas. hardly call that plenty.
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:13 pm

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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:39 pm

Quoting Jupiter2 (Reply 24):
Intersting moves especially the SYD/KIX/BNE/SYD routing, I would imagine when this commences, (MAR 'O7) that will spell the demise of the JL flight doing the same route.

JL already pulling out or pulled out of that route.

Wonder will JQ become a OneWorld partner now?
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:44 pm

Wunala,

No JL haven't yet, it was discussed and got a stay of execution. I would suspect that JQ has become the executioner.

I would also suspect that JL would be putting there code on this flight.

RL
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:00 pm

Quoting Jupiter2 (Reply 24):
Actually SYD/HNL is 3 weekly, MEL/HNL 2 weekly and the mainline QF 3 weekly is maintained, just a slight increase in capacity !!!!

any theories as to why QF is still going to retain SYD-HNL services as well? seems an expensive duplication to a low yield market
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:06 pm

No idea mate !!!

Makes about as much sense as all 3 QF brands flying between SYD and CNS as they do at present.

I can see it being down graded to a 763, maybe even a return to YVR via HNL

In reality, I haven't got a clue.

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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:59 pm

So jetstar international wont actually start flying till next year from what i gather is that right?

QF better still operate the 743 HNL-SYD in December
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:39 pm

¿Any news about QF and Spain?
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:12 pm

Such a shame. It was a shame when Australian got absorbed back in the '90s, and it's a shame now. Such a gorgeous company with gorgeous aircraft, with an awesome history and something to do with Australia.

Now, can someone please tell me what 'JetStar' has to do with Australia, our heritage, our country, us in general?

For some reason it's made me wish/hope QF change their outlook on this whole thing, or that DJ start doing more popular international flights using a few new aircraft types. Unfortunately, I don't think either of those scenarios will occur anytime soon.  Sad

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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:49 pm

Quoting Jupiter2 (Reply 23):
Intersting moves especially the SYD/KIX/BNE/SYD routing, I would imagine when this commences, (MAR 'O7) that will spell the demise of the JL flight doing the same route.

I imagine once JL move into oneworld, this is exactly what will happen.

Quoting Cuprita (Reply 32):
¿Any news about QF and Spain?

None. European destinations will be much further down the track.

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 31):
So jetstar international wont actually start flying till next year from what i gather is that right?

November 2006. This year. Read the press release... though I will admit, it is a pretty convoluted press release.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 29):
any theories as to why QF is still going to retain SYD-HNL services as well? seems an expensive duplication to a low yield market

Maybe because 3 per week plus 3 per week gives an almost daily service to Hawaii.

Hawaiian Airlines currently fly 3 per week to Sydney, so the Qantas group will be offering 6 x per week out of Sydney. Let's hope Hawaiian increase to daily to compete properly!
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:41 pm

I see Gold Coast will loose its AO service (QF replacement will be from Brisbane) and also Cairns-HKG service will stop
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:23 am

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 25):
really, with AO gone Perth people will have one direct option to Bali and that's Garuda and a 3 times weekly service to Jakarta with Qantas. hardly call that plenty.

It's daily service is it not?? The QF service will merely replace the AO one so capacity remains the same.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 29):
any theories as to why QF is still going to retain SYD-HNL services as well? seems an expensive duplication to a low yield market

Probably because there is sufficient premium demand to Hawaii to justify the current QF mainline service but in order to compete with Hawaiian & Air Canada on frequency it's uneconomic to rotate a daily 743. Hence Jetstar can now get stuck in at the leisure end of the market to bring frequency up without having to worry about the yield at the front of the plane.
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:38 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 29):
any theories as to why QF is still going to retain SYD-HNL services as well? seems an expensive duplication to a low yield market

I keep reading that Hawaii is a low-yield market, despite this theory being debunked many times over.

On average, the cost per mile between SYD-HNL is higher than both SYD-LHR and SYD-LAX.

Now granted, there are no first class seats available to HNL, but there are plenty of routes around the world without first class. Does that automatically make them low yield, and worthless to fly?

Please give some examples of how SYD-HNL is low yield for QF.
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:40 am

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 20):
"The Jetstar fleet will transition to the 311-seat Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft - part of Qantas' $20 billion fleet reinvestment program - from August 2008."



311 seats in a 787-8? They really are going to pack them in there aren't they?

The Crampliner becomes reality.
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:41 am

Quoting Danny (Reply 38):
The Crampliner becomes reality.

And the A350 would have been any better??
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:30 am

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 20):
311 seats in a 787-8? They really are going to pack them in there aren't they?

Where does it say they are getting the 8's ? They could be getting the 9's.

The -8's seat 224 in 3-class and 296 in 2-class ; the -9 seats 259 in 3-class so 311 sounds about right in a 2-class configuration
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:57 am

Quoting Jupiter2 (Reply 23):
Actually SYD/HNL is 3 weekly, MEL/HNL 2 weekly and the mainline QF 3 weekly is maintained, just a slight increase in capacity !!!!

Does the addition of JQ allow QF to get around the 4x minimum weekly service requirement of the US-Aus bilateral? Right now both HA and QF fly HNL-SYD 4x weekly.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 34):
Hawaiian Airlines currently fly 3 per week to Sydney, so the Qantas group will be offering 6 x per week out of Sydney. Let's hope Hawaiian increase to daily to compete properly!

HA and QF actually fly 4x weekly, per the bilateral. From HNL, it's Tues, Thurs, Fri, Sun for HA and Tues, Thurs, Sat, Sun for QF. The addition of 3 more 767s this summer will allow HA the ability to increase service to SYD if they want to.

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 20):
311 seats in a 787-8? They really are going to pack them in there aren't they?

They are probably talking about the 787-9. QF have twice as much 787-9s on firm order than 787-8s (30 to 15).
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:58 am

Quoting Danny (Reply 38):
The Crampliner becomes reality.

Hmmm... that took a while. 37 civilized replies before this took a turn toward the negative. A new record?  stirthepot 
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:09 am

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 39):
And the A350 would have been any better??

Since when did he say, or even imply, that?? You Boeing freaks are all far too touchy on this board nowadays. I'd say, quite justifiably, that 311 people in a 787 could facetiously be called a Crampliner without reference to the A350.

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 41):
From HNL, it's Tues, Thurs, Fri, Sun for HA and Tues, Thurs, Sat, Sun for QF.


Currently QF flies on Tues, Thurs & Sat from Honolulu per QF's website. They must have a 4th peak season service they add in on the Sunday.
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:44 am

Sorry to see Australian go but congratulations to Jetstar. I have some questions about Jetstar International.

Will they be part of Oneworld? Can an alliance accept a no-frills or low cost carrier?
What will they offer onboard the A330 and the B787? Will they have personal t.v's and so forth?
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:50 am

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 40):
Where does it say they are getting the 8's ? They could be getting the 9's.

The -8's seat 224 in 3-class and 296 in 2-class ; the -9 seats 259 in 3-class so 311 sounds about right in a 2-class configuration

"The Jetstar fleet will transition to the 311-seat Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft - part of Qantas' $20 billion fleet reinvestment program - from August 2008."

The 787-9 isn't coming out until 2010, so it must be the 787-8. And on Qantas website, it says the 787-8 will seat up to 311 and the 787-9 up to 360.
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:15 pm

Quoting Flyer88 (Reply 44):
Will they be part of Oneworld? Can an alliance accept a no-frills or low cost carrier?

No, they won't be a part of oneworld.

However... at the moment you can earn QF points on Jetstar if you fly on full fare tickets. You can also redeem your QF points on Jetstar. You have to be a member of the Qantas Frequent Flyer program to do this.

It will be the same when they go international, though I will be interested to see if Star Class (the Jetstar business class) will earn the same points / status credits on the Qantas as QF business class.

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 45):
"The Jetstar fleet will transition to the 311-seat Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft - part of Qantas' $20 billion fleet reinvestment program - from August 2008."

What everyone seems to miss is that Jetstar will be operating 6 A332s by middle of 2007. Qantas have four. I read in a one liner that they ordered two more A332s. Were these ordered direct from Airbus or leased or what?

Jetstar get the first 787s in the Qantas group - apparently they will have the 8s first, and as 9s are delivered they will swap them over with Qantas. The eventual Jetstar international fleet will be 12 787s - as planned at this point. I don't know what is happening with the A332s. Would love to know!
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:27 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 46):
I will be interested to see if Star Class (the Jetstar business class) will earn the same points / status credits on the Qantas as QF business class.

Not sure as Star Class is a premium economy class, not business.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 46):
I don't know what is happening with the A332s. Would love to know!

The 4 from QF will return to mainline, not sure about the other 2.

It will be interesting to see how the catering will run. At the minute it is DTP or BOB, but with Star Class that is 2 models in 1 plane.
 
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:55 pm

Quoting Wunala (Reply 47):
Not sure as Star Class is a premium economy class, not business.

Whoops, pardon me... international will be Economy and Premium Economy... they won't have business class! Forgot all about that. My mind is hard wired to accept that next up from economy is business - my bad!

Quoting Wunala (Reply 47):
It will be interesting to see how the catering will run. At the minute it is DTP or BOB, but with Star Class that is 2 models in 1 plane.

What is DTP?

I heard that they were going to make catering a request when you book - tick the box if you want food, it will cost this and you'll be billed now, don't tick the box and you don't get fed. Of course this may all have changed...
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RE: Qantas Major Announcement Tomorrow

Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:33 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 48):
What is DTP?

Direct to passenger.

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