potomac
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American #2 - Diversion?

Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:43 am

Just playing around on flightaware and saw AA#2 - normally LAX-JFK - with stops in DFW and STL? Anyone have any insights?
 
wjcandee
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RE: American #2 - Diversion?

Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:03 pm

Agreed. Looks like he flew a wide arc around Illinois and Missouri and then landed or is landing. Fuel dump? (The 763 does have that capability.)

If the wide arc isn't to lower the weight for landing, I would be very interested to see if it were being done for troubleshooting purposes. I had been led to understand that after the Alaska Air MD80 accident, protocols had been changed at most airlines such that in-air troubleshooting was to be kept to a minimum and the best plan was instead to get the thing on the ground as soon as possible. Because that is a very sweeping generalization, there will of course be problems that should or even must be addressed in the air before landing (e.g. a gear that won't deploy).

It will of course suck for all concerned if either (1) the DFW diversion was d/t a mechanical which was believed to be resolved and which reappeared after the same airframe took off again; or (2) equipment was swapped at DFW after which problems were experienced with the second airframe. The latter of course would just be a very bad day for the airline, and a substantial statistical anomoly. Flytecomm has the LAX-DFW leg on a 762 and the DFW-STL leg on a 763 with the STL-JFK leg on a 757. AA.com has the LAX-DFW leg arriving at A23 and the DFW-STL leg departing from A24 and arriving at C18 in STL with the STL-JFK leg departing from C16. Presumably the last leg will indeed be on a different airframe.

I suppose that some kind of flag stop could be involved, but that just seems odd, particularly with the route taken by the aircraft in the STL vicinity.
 
potomac
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RE: American #2 - Diversion?

Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:06 pm

yeah, looks like the replacement aircraft in DFW didn't work out so well. bummer!
 
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RE: American #2 - Diversion?

Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:32 pm

Wow, 767-3,767-2, 757 quite a trip for an airplane enthusiast. Hope they get all the miles and segments they earned  Big grin
 
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RE: American #2 - Diversion?

Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:40 pm

Guys could the 762 be on a tight schedule and needed elsewhere so AA thought it would be best for a quick stop at STL and then a transfer over to a AA 752?
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RE: American #2 - Diversion?

Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:48 pm

I have tracked LAX to NYC (and vice versa) and they all take a northernly route over colorado, nebraska, iowa, michigan, etc.

Given the routing that was done on AAL2, can we assume that there was a problem over NW colorado and they opted to divert to DFW? I wouldn't want to be on a plane that was diverting two hours away!

I agree on the inconvience... I would want a refund, new ticket... and miles/upgrades.

Any thoughts?
 
mrstl
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RE: American #2 - Diversion?

Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:10 pm

Quoting Jims66 (Reply 5):
I agree on the inconvience... I would want a refund, new ticket... and miles/upgrades.

Any thoughts?

According to the flight log they have been in the air since 9:30 am PT. The flight has now been enroute almost 12 hours (including stops) and will not arrive for another hour. I would be expecting a refund and a voucher and miles.
 
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RE: American #2 - Diversion?

Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:26 pm

OPNL
6LAX/JFK LNDD DFW ENRTE DUE MECH WL CHGEQ DFW/JFK TO B767C.EDM FTWDP/HELLER
DFW-JFK WL OPT IN 767C EQP EDM N323 FTWDP/DRAPEAU
C/E
MNTX
INTMD LNDG AT STL ETA2025FTWDP LARRY AUSTIN *
INTMD LNDG ACCT MECH *


That'd be an interesting flight to be on.

[Edited 2006-04-12 06:27:58]
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RE: American #2 - Diversion?

Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:36 pm

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RE: American #2 - Diversion?

Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:44 pm

Interesting..

Isn't this the first time an American Airlines 762 landed and take off in STL?

[Edited 2006-04-12 06:50:00]
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atrude777
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RE: American #2 - Diversion?

Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:47 pm

Quoting September11 (Reply 9):
Interesting..

Isn't this the first time an American Airlines 762 landed and take off in STL?

It was a 763

762 LAX-DFW
763 DFW-STL
752 STL-JFK

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RE: American #2 - Diversion?

Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:57 pm

Wonder how they handled the premium customers on that route. Going from a 762 (9F, 30J) to a 763 (30 J) to a 752 (22 F)...if all the premium cabins were filled on the first plane...what did they do by the time they got to the 752? Sent all the $1500 paying customers back to Y??
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RE: American #2 - Diversion?

Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:16 pm

Jims66,reply=5] agree on the inconvience... I would want a refund, new ticket... and miles/upgrades

reply=6]I would be expecting a refund and a voucher and miles[/quote]

I don't understand why anyone would expect to get a refund? First of all, when anyone purchases an airline ticket...it is a contract to get from point A to point B. All the departure/arrival times are "suggested" and not guaranteed.

If the airline gets you to your destination even though late, it still cost the airline lots of mone to do that. So, no refund should be given! As for a credit voucher for future purchase or miles to an account...sure, but no refund!

It is really amazing how people are so quick to jump at the thought "I deserve a free ticket, you will give me my money back!" okay..."we're very sorry we had a mechanical, flight delay and we got you to your destination late, and safely" so go ahead....make threats, raise your voice, and start making demands! And some people want to know how come this industry is messed up...its because for so many years, customers were getting lots for their money and now that prices have gone down, cost have gone up...people still demand even more now. This is an amazing but interesting industry.......I Just Love it!
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