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Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:10 am

I'm wondering what a so called "red eye flight" means...
And are there more "nicknames" for flights?

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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:26 am

A redeye leaves at night or very early morning and arrives early/late morning, some even early afternoon.
 
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:27 am

Red-eyes are overnight flights that usually leave late in the evening and arrive the next morning, usually fairly early, meaning that the only sleep passengers get that night is whatever they can squeeze in during the flight and while they're squeezed into airplane seats. When they get off the plane in the morning, their eyes are bloodshot from the lack of sleep, so hence the term "red eyes."

In the States, a red-eye from California to the East Coast typically is no longer than 4.5-5.5 hours, so even if you fall asleep the moment you get on board, you're still getting far less than the recommended 7-8 hours sleep.

As far as other nicknames, my favorite is American's flight between Austin, Texas, and San Jose, CA (two centers of high-tech) that is referred to as the "nerd bird."
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:29 am

A "red-eye" flight is an overnight flight that leaves late in the evening, and arrives at the destination the next morning. It's called a red-eye because that is the color of your eyes when you arrive -- unless you sleep well on planes and/or medicate yourself, it's not a restful way to travel.

Red-eyes are mostly a US phenomenon, and all trans-continental redeyes start on the West Coast (or near the West Coast -- i.e. PHX, SLC or DEN), and travel to the East Coast or even Midwest.

I believe, however, that Australia has "red-eyes" from PER to SYD/MEL (but somebody please correct me if I am wrong).

Also, Trans-Atlantic flights from the US to Europe could be considered redeyes as well. Thinking about it, I suppose Trans-Pacific Asia/Australia to US could be "redeyes" too.

Hope this clarifies somewhat.
 
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:31 am

FYI, a red eye doesn't necessarily leave in the evening; there are many flights out of the Hawaiian Islands that leave in the late afternoon (4:30pm) and arrive in ORD/DFW/East Coast in the early morning. Just my two cents!


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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:41 am

Good example of red eye flight:

AA #000 departs LAX 11:00 PM arrives JFK 7:00 AM


Bad example of red eye flight:

UA #000 departs MIA 9:00 PM arrives SFO 11:00 PM
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:03 am

While September 11 touched on it, I think I'll clarify why its a bad example. Part of what makes a redeye what it is, is that it takes advantage of the time zones. By leaving LAX going to JFK at 11, a 5 hour flight would put you into JFK at 4:00 AM, but with the 3 hour time zone change, you really get in at 7. Whereas, flying east to west, you lose hours, so flying from JFK leaving at 11 AM, plus the 5 hours flying puts you into LAX at 4, and then subtract the 3 hours you lose, which really means you'd get in around 1. There are some very bizarre redeyes out there, such as CO 2356 leaving PHX at 1:45 AM, and getting into IAH at 6:05. LAS, being a true 24 hour city, has many redeyes, such as AA 324, leaving LAS at 12:40 AM, and getting into DFW at 5:04.

My turn for a question:

Is there a distinction between an overnight flight and a redeye, or are the terms interchangable? For example: I see LAX-JFK, and I suppose something like DFW-LGW, to a lesser extent, as redeyes. They utilize the loss of time to arrive in the morning, as opposed to night or dawn.

Whereas, what about a flight like ORD-MEX, operated my Mexicana? It leaves ORD at 2:00am and gets into MEX at 6:05 am. There is no time change, should it/does it qualify as a redeye, or is it just an ordinary overnight flight? What about something longer, like LHR-JNB, hardly any time change, but still very much an overnight flight?

Your thoughts?

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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:30 am

Quoting 777fan (Reply 4):
FYI, a red eye doesn't necessarily leave in the evening; there are many flights out of the Hawaiian Islands that leave in the late afternoon (4:30pm) and arrive in ORD/DFW/East Coast in the early morning. Just my two cents!

No, that's an overnight flight. It ain't no redeye!


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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:33 pm

in Canada, red eye flights are:

YVR, YEG, YYC to YYZ (there are also red eyes from YYC and YVR to YUL and YHM)

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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:18 pm

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 3):
I believe, however, that Australia has "red-eyes" from PER to SYD/MEL (but somebody please correct me if I am wrong).

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Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 6):
Is there a distinction between an overnight flight and a redeye, or are the terms interchangable? For example: I see LAX-JFK, and I suppose something like DFW-LGW, to a lesser extent, as redeyes. They utilize the loss of time to arrive in the morning, as opposed to night or dawn.

IMHO "red eyes" are limited to flights less than the recommended 7-8 hours sleep period. On longer flights you CAN get enough sleep to avoid "red eyes". Wether you do or not of course depends on you.

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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:50 pm

I agree with the comments so far, but in addition, in Australia at least, the term is coming to mean less than ideal flight times, even if not overnight, that are sold at a discount.

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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:02 pm

IMO, one of the worst flights in the entire CO system is their DEN-IAH "redeye". I call it this because it can hardly be considered an overnight flight, but has absolutely awful timing, some of the worst I have ever seen. I can't imagine ANYBODY willingly choosing this flight, and with ERJ equipment to boot!

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Equally miserable flights are offered from PHX, SLC, and LAS with similarly awful timing. At least the LAS flight has mainline equipment with a F cabin!
 
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:18 pm

Delta used to call their red eye flights "Owly Birds" whereas the early morning departures were "Early Birds". A good example of an "Owly Bird" would be the ATL-CHA evening flights leaving at something like 2315-arriving at CHA at 0015 local.
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:37 pm

Pretty much all West African flights going northbound to Europe and the middle East are red eyes. Late evening departures and early morning arrival.
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:58 pm

Quoting September11 (Reply 5):
Good example of red eye flight:

AA #000 departs LAX 11:00 PM arrives JFK 7:00 AM


Bad example of red eye flight:

UA #000 departs MIA 9:00 PM arrives SFO 11:00 PM

Or the flight I'm booked on in June,
UA126, departs LAX at 11.20pm, arrives ORD at 5.11am
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:08 pm

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 3):
I believe, however, that Australia has "red-eyes" from PER to SYD/MEL (but somebody please correct me if I am wrong).



Quoting September11 (Reply 5):
Good example of red eye flight:
AA #000 departs LAX 11:00 PM arrives JFK 7:00 AM

Bad example of red eye flight:
UA #000 departs MIA 9:00 PM arrives SFO 11:00 PM



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 11):
IMHO "red eyes" are limited to flights less than the recommended 7-8 hours sleep period. On longer flights you CAN get enough sleep to avoid "red eyes". Wether you do or not of course depends on you.

I think 'red eye' sectors normally involve at least two of these factors:

* you are travelling on an east bound sector eg. PER-MEL/SYD, LAX-JFK, meaning that you "lose" time during travel
* departing late at night, and arriving early morning
* flight sector under six hours, but usually around 4hrs
* cross 2-3 time zones.

here are some examples (note sector time, and eastbound direction of flight):
12:25a ONT 2 8:20a JFK 6 B6 88 Non-stop 320 4:55
11:50p PER 2 5:10a+1 MEL 1 QF 648 Non-stop 332 3:20
11:00p BOM 2 4:50a+1 BKK 1 TG 318 Non-stop 333 4:20
10:15p LHR 2 4:50a+1 ATH OA 266 Non-stop 734 3:35
12:20a HKG 4:55a ICN CX 412 Non-stop 330 3:35
11:15p DEL 2 7:10a+1 SIN 2 SQ 407 Non-stop 773 5:25
 
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:26 pm

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 6):
LAS, being a true 24 hour city, has many redeyes, such as AA 324, leaving LAS at 12:40 AM, and getting into DFW at 5:04.

Yeah back in the early and mid 1990's, AA used to fly 2 redeyes LAS-DFW, one leaving around 1am, the other leaving at 3am or so. I used to really like the 3am flight, ended up on the same connecting flight out of DFW anyhow, might as well spend the extra view hours in Vegas as opposed to sittin in Dallas.

A great current day flight in my opinion is AA 1842, LAS-MIA, leave at 11:48pm, arrive in MIA at 7:15am, this is my current favorite red-eye flight, which is IMO, the only way to travel east.
 
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:27 pm

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 3):
Red-eyes are mostly a US phenomenon, and all trans-continental redeyes start on the West Coast (or near the West Coast -- i.e. PHX, SLC or DEN), and travel to the East Coast or even Midwest.

One of the biggest markets for redeyes is the LAX-Mexico/Central America market. The flights actually leave later, as late as 2 AM, because of the shorter duration and less time difference and arrive early in the morning. Hawai'i and Alaska also have big redeye markets.
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:31 pm

I think the worst red-eyes in the states are the LAS departures to the midwest and southwest. You leave LAS at around midnight and arrive in, say, DFW at 5:30 am (which is only about 3.5 hours in flight).

Even worse than this are the LAS departures at 1:30 am in a CRJ that arrive in places like Omaha at 5am.
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:45 pm

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 7):
No, that's an overnight flight. It ain't no redeye!

Don't you think that's a bit of hair splitting? To me, if a flight goes LAX-MIA leaves at night, arrives in the morning, BOS-LHR leaves at night, arrives in the morning, LHR-CPT leaves at night arrives in the morning, whats the difference? Please explain where in the airline dictionary, one is a Redeye and the other is an overnight. To me Redeye, would seem to be slang for an overnight.
 
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:50 pm

Yes, there are definately 'redeyes' in Australia; although amongst crew they are known as horrors.
Here we have (at QF anyway) PER-MEL/SYD/BNE/CBR/CNS, DRW-MEL/SYD/BNE, as well as BME-MEL.
 
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:52 pm

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 22):
Don't you think that's a bit of hair splitting? To me, if a flight goes LAX-MIA leaves at night, arrives in the morning, BOS-LHR leaves at night, arrives in the morning, LHR-CPT leaves at night arrives in the morning, whats the difference?

It might make no difference to you, but IMO (and many others here I think), a red-eye is not any overnight flight - else we'd be talking about any flight that goes overnight.

The term generally is used for those flights that leave late in the evening and arrive early the next morning.

I wouldn't classify a common USA - Europe flight, leaving at 8:00pm and arriving 10:00 am, a red-eye.

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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:07 pm

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 6):
Is there a distinction between an overnight flight and a redeye, or are the terms interchangable?

I think a redeye is necessarily an overnight, but for an overnight to be a redeye, there has to be some aggravating factor: the night that is "overed" is also shrunken, and that means flying East. US transcons flying East are the basic redeyes. Flights to Europe are close, although you can get a little sleep because of the longer flight time. A late departure ATL-LIM would not qualify, because none of your biological night gets "stolen." A late departure BKK-AMS definitely wouldn't, since your night gets infinitely stretched.

It would be interesting to study the color of the eyes of arriving passengers, of course, to see if there is any truth to the cute redeye moniker.

Redeye is an old expression, which predates ultra-long haul flights such as ORD-HKG, during which the very notion of night and day gets blurred. Those flights mess up more than your eyes.
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:19 am

i wouldn't have thought of a flight from the US to europe as a red eye because you have long enough to get enough sleep to stop you being red eyed.  scratchchin 
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:41 am

Quoting VHXLR8 (Reply 23):
although amongst crew they are known as horrors.

I have always thought a red-eye flight would be a good one to work as a F/A, because all the pax will fall asleep for most of the flight. No?
 
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:51 am

Quoting VHXLR8 (Reply 23):
Yes, there are definitely 'redeyes' in Australia; although amongst crew they are known as horrors.
Here we have (at QF anyway) PER-MEL/SYD/BNE/CBR/CNS, DRW-MEL/SYD/BNE, as well as BME-MEL.

For me, SIN-SYD or MEL or BNE also fits the description. Not long enough for a decent sleep plus a sunrise arrival. Even though longer than an Ozzie transcon, still too short. And just like the US redeyes, a 0600 +/- arrival.

Give me a 12 to 18 hour flight any day for a good nights sleep. SFO-AKL or SYD are always great especially on the new NZ beds.
 
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:55 am

I've got a redeye booked for May 30 from YEG to YYZ on the way to YYG (Charlottetown, PEI), but that's on Air Canada, not WestJet.

It goes like this:

YEG-YYZ Dep 12:30 am Arr 6:09 am 321
YYZ-YYG Dep 7:25 Arr 10:35 am CRJ
 
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:42 am

so is it just America and maybe austrailia that have red eye flights then?

What about other flights then, eg. HKG-LHR Departs 22:45 arrives 04:30

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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:59 am

nicknames:

a red eye, general;ly speaking, leaves in the dark and lands in the dark. usually leaving around midnight and arriving around 4-6 am.

an overnight flight is usually leaving early evening/evening and arriving morning at its destination.
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:13 am

Quoting Flyingfool (Thread starter):
And are there more "nicknames" for flights?

There's a Swiss International flight JFK-GVA that is nicknamed the UN Shuttle.
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:08 am

Quoting Flyingfool (Thread starter):
are there more "nicknames" for flights?

When I go to London from JFK I always like to take the BA daytime flight (BA178) On both of my last two journeys on this particular flight I have overheard crew refer to it as the "Daylight Maniac"

BA178
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:24 am

We use to call the Braniff 5:00pm DFW to IAH, "The Houston Rocket" Always full, always drinking.
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:48 am

HA! But what about a flight that leaves at MIDNIGHT BKK time, and gets me into San Diego at 5PM the same day, after transiting through Incheon, and San Francisco.

I garuntee you my eyes where red, and I looked like I was strung out on some really weird drugs, and I would have been greatfull if the TSA just took me out on the tarmac and shot me.
 
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:24 am

Quoting Bphendri (Reply 36):
I garuntee you my eyes where red

That's just your schedule.

I can stay up all night at home and have red eyes in the morning. Doesn't mean I was on a red-eye flight.

Incheon to SFO is far longer than a red-eye. You have plenty of time to sleep on that flight.
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:52 am

Quoting Xbraniffone (Reply 35):
We use to call the Braniff 5:00pm DFW to IAH, "The Houston Rocket" Always full, always drinking.

Cool

TWA used to have the "Blue Chip" service LGA-ORD back in the day, I imagine along the same lines as what you mentioned above. IIRC there was a time, early 60's and before, where these flights were "Men Only". I might be confusing the UA service with TWA, but same run, LGA-ORD.
 
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:03 am

In December I flew west from DAM-AMS, moving back a time zone. I took off at 2:20 am and landed a mere 4 hours and 15 minutes later at around 5:35 am. This seems to not fill a lot of your criteria but I would definitely call this a red-eye. That felt worse than my 4 hour redeyes from LAS-CLE!
 
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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:06 am

Way back when Air UK was still kicking about my friends and I used to frequent Amsterdam from EDI. The weekend would end with us being hungover worse than holy hell flying home redeyed and dazed on those 146s. This was our particular redeye Big grin

The real menaing is that of an overnight flight with limites sleep.

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RE: Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...

Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:38 am

Quoting Gkyip (Reply 31):
so is it just America and maybe austrailia that have red eye flights then?

No a lot of places have them. For example: Mexico has redeyes too... This one is terrible...

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