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Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:12 pm

Hi guys,
just had this sent to me from CO...
Thought id share it.. also Belfast n Bristol celebrate their first year anniversaries this year with daily CO Flights !!
Shame MAN loses the 777 !!
I understand that CO were hesitant to simply upgrade the BHX service to a larger acft than a 757, instead choosing to add an extra service.
(If you think about it a daily 762 service would be ideal ..only in my opinion)
Also I think next year it will be BHX's 10th year with CO services...correct me if im wrong !

Cheers !! Joe


Continental Airlines is increasing the frequencies of its non-stop flights from the UK and Ireland to New York/Newark. From March 2, it is operating daily non-stop services from Belfast and Bristol to New York - up from five flights per week. From May 4, Edinburgh will be served by 11 flights per week, while from May 6, Glasgow will go to 10 flights per week - both up from seven flights. In addition, starting on May 6, Continental will operate two daily Boeing 757 flights from Manchester to New York, in place of a single daily Boeing 777 service - a seat capacity increase of 34 per cent over last Summer. Furthermore, from May 26, Continental will operate 10 non-stop services between Birmingham and New York - up from seven flights - a capacity increase of 43 per cent. Finally, departures from Dublin to New York with a stop in Shannon will double from May 4.
 
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RE: New CO Frequencies & Acft Changes To UK

Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:19 pm

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
From May 4, Edinburgh will be served by 11 flights per week, while from May 6, Glasgow will go to 10 flights per week - both up from seven flights

Perhaps COs memory isnt quite what it used to be. Last year they operated 11 flights to GLA, and 10 to EDI, not 7. They have simply switched one rotation from GLA to EDI this summer.
 
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Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:21 pm

BHX-EWR was 2 x Daily 757s last summer, so frequency is reduced.
MAN-EWR was 1 x Daily 757, 1 x Daily 762 last summer.
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Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:22 pm

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
Continental will operate two daily Boeing 757 flights from Manchester to New York, in place of a single daily Boeing 777 service - a seat capacity increase of 34 per cent over last Summer.

Hmm CO haven't used the 777 to MAN for well over a year, last summer they operated 2 x daily 757's with the odd 762 and 764 thrown in so I dunno where they get the 34% seat increase from.

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Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:24 pm

CO also operated twice daily from MAN last summer, with a 762 and a 757
 
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Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:26 pm

Quoting Demoose (Reply 3):
Hmm CO haven't used the 777 to MAN for well over a year, last summer they operated 2 x daily 757's with the odd 762 and 764 thrown in so I dunno where they get the 34% seat increase from.

Actually I must say that you'd be suprised how many airlines dont know their own facts.
Ive spoken to a number of airline 'reps' who I've corrected when they've come out with a load of crap.. Its quite amusing actually.

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Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:29 pm

Yep, its true. A large majority that work in the industry have no idea about the aviation industry, which is why you learn not to believe everything you hear at work lol.
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Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:48 pm

Quoting Demoose (Reply 6):
Yep, its true. A large majority that work in the industry have no idea about the aviation industry, which is why you learn not to believe everything you hear at work lol.

true dat...

I asked one airline rep why the airline was stopping a route, and she never even knew it was being stopped.
 
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Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:12 pm

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
I understand that CO were hesitant to simply upgrade the BHX service to a larger acft than a 757, instead choosing to add an extra service.
(If you think about it a daily 762 service would be ideal ..only in my opinion)

I agree, I would love to see the 767's at BHX  Smile
They used to operate the DC10's into BHX, what was the frequency of the DC10's?

I sure wish another US carrier would fly to BHX, AA from JFK, BOS or ORD  cloudnine 

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
Continental will operate two daily Boeing 757 flights from Manchester to New York, in place of a single daily Boeing 777 service - a seat capacity increase of 34 per cent over last Summer.

That will make the anti-757-translantic guys happy Big grin

Whats the latest on LGW for this summer?

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Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:23 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 8):
They used to operate the DC10's into BHX, what was the frequency of the DC10's?

Hi Rob, Hows it going buddy ?

The DC10's were daily I believe. better known as DC-Techs. !!  Wink

heres what little I have on LGW..

Continental's seasonal daily non-stop service from London Gatwick to Cleveland is starting again on May 4. The Boeing 757 aircraft will depart from Gatwick at 11.55 hours, arriving at 15.20. The inbound flight will depart Cleveland at 19.20 hours, arriving at 07.55 on the following day.
 
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Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:36 pm

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 9):
Hi Rob, Hows it going buddy ?

Im great, hows about you?

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 9):
The DC10's were daily I believe. better known as DC-Techs. !!

You gotta love the DC10's  Wink

Thanks for your info on LGW, good to see CLE returning again this year!

Rob!  wave 
 
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Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:05 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 10):
Im great, hows about you?

yeah good thanks  Smile  bigthumbsup 

The DC-10's were always a great sight at BHX.. the largest aircraft operating in at one point..
I remember taxiing out in a BA 757 and looking at the DC-10 that was parked up... it was filthy but some how you couldnt see it as being dirty.. just experienced and a workhorse..
I loved them !! first AA, then UA, and CO.. now its just NW holding the DC-10 Baton.. hope they dont drop them too soon !!

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Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:37 pm

We didn't run the DC-10's very long to BHX or LIS...maybe 1 summer.When the 767's began to replace them BHX and LIS became 757 destinations exclusively. They've never been upgraded since. The wiwdebody drawdown to MAN will hurt cargo considerably. Since DL is begining 764 service JFK/MAN this summer, they will probably get that business.
 
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Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:50 pm

Quoting Tsnamm (Reply 12):
The wiwdebody drawdown to MAN will hurt cargo considerably

Whys it been downgraded then ? is it just pax figures ?
What does DL currently use into MAN ?

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Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:07 pm

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 13):
What does DL currently use into MAN ?

MANATL = 763
MANJFK (when it starts) = 764
 
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Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:13 pm

Quoting LH121GLA (Reply 14):
MANATL = 763
MANJFK (when it starts) = 764

So they've used a variety of acft into MAN - 767's , 777's, MD-11's
 
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Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:57 pm

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 15):
So they've used a variety of acft into MAN - 767's , 777's, MD-11's

L-1011's, too!
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:04 am

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 16):
L-1011's, too!

Really ? How long back was that ??
 
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:07 am

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 16):
Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 15):
So they've used a variety of acft into MAN - 767's , 777's, MD-11's

L-1011's, too!

Don't forget the A310s  Wink
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:15 am

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 13):
Whys it been downgraded then ? is it just pax figures ?

They are using the widebodies on more profitable routes. The 777s are being pushed to the ultra long haul destinations in China and India, the 767s are backfilling 777 routes, and the 752s are being used to add seats and frequencies (or to start new thin routes to second and third tier cities).
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:19 am

Manchester is an odd sitauation this year - EWR-MAN will operate with 2X 757 this summer.........most thought that one service would be switched to a 762 (thats what happened last year) at the very last minute. It did not happen - simply not enough widebody aircraft to go around at CO. The lack of the widebody will certainly affect cargo opeations - but I guess CO has it covered. I think that the 34% increase in seats is 2 X 757 over the current 1 X 764.......as far as pax capacity, the 762 goes out with 174 seats (25+149) versus the 752 (16+156.......and 159 in Y on the updated 752s with the new AVOD video system), thus its a minor difference, especially during the summer when J class demand dips due to reduced biz travel.

BHX is getting less service this summer, I think that CO is trying to increase the yeilds on this route.....its interesting that on the days that the second EWR-BHX flight is not operating, the 757 does a third sevice on the EWR-LGW route. As for GLA/EDI - there is a shift in one frequency, demand and yeild were slightly higher to EDI last summer, thus they are getting the "extra flight".....again, both cities stay with 757s this summer due to the lack of widebodies.

And, as long predicted, Dublin loses widebody service - CO simply does not have enough 767s and 777s around to "waste" one on the Dublin route, thus, Ireland is getting 3 757s per day - one to DUB, one to SNN, and one wrap flight to both cities.

Many of the changes are due to CO operating new long haul widebody services - the IAH-EZE route requires 2 762s per day to operate, the EWR-Delhi route takes up 2 777s per day........all extra services for the CO widebody fleet that was already working very hard last summer. Thus, lots of 757s accross the atlantic.
 
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:54 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 20):
the EWR-Delhi route takes up 2 777s per day

I think DEL takes 1 1/2 if I am not wrong....

UK looks like "757 kingdom" for CO this summer.
 
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:54 am

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
Finally, departures from Dublin to New York with a stop in Shannon will double from May 4.

This summer there will be a total of 6 daily flights on DUB-NYC and 82 scheduled flights per week overall from DUB to the US. Not so long ago there was just a daily flight to BOS and JFK.
 
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:58 am

On another note why no Houston-Manchester UK service, or does PIA provide adequte capacity per week? To my knowledge PIA operate 2x/Weekly. Or even a seasoal Cleveland to Manchester like CO do with LGW.
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:06 am

Quoting DptMAN (Reply 23):
On another note why no Houston-Manchester UK service, or does PIA provide adequte capacity per week? To my knowledge PIA operate 2x/Weekly. Or even a seasoal Cleveland to Manchester like CO do with LGW.
dptMAN

There is probably not enough year round demand for and IAH-MAN flight with limited O&D traffic - and CO would need atleast a 767 to operate an IAH-MAN service and there are far more important priorities for CO's rather limited widebody fleet. As for CLE-MAN, not a chance, CO still cannot make CLE-LGW work on a yearround basis and if CO were to offer another transatlantic flight out of CLE, it would be to AMS or CDG (SkyTeam hubs) where multiple connection opportunities could be offered.
 
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:16 am

I wonder if CO managed to free a 762 up, would ABZ-MAN-IAH be do-able? The front end would probably be full from ABZ anyway, so anything from MAN would be extra money
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:17 am

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
I understand that CO were hesitant to simply upgrade the BHX service to a larger acft than a 757, instead choosing to add an extra service.
(If you think about it a daily 762 service would be ideal ..only in my opinion)

The CO 762ER only holds 4 more seats than the 75B does, and has a significantly larger number of premium seats. In this case, the CASM of the 75B is actually lower than the 762ER, with the 762ER having the advantage of greater cargo and premium seat capacity. Given that premium demand and cargo are not what CO is really going for out of BHX, the 752 makes much more sense.
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:19 am

Quoting DptMAN (Reply 23):
On another note why no Houston-Manchester UK service, or does PIA provide adequte capacity per week? To my knowledge PIA operate 2x/Weekly. Or even a seasoal Cleveland to Manchester like CO do with LGW.
dptMAN

Something may have changed lately, but PIA doesn't have traffic rights on IAH-MAN, AFAIK.
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 27):
Something may have changed lately, but PIA doesn't have traffic rights on IAH-MAN, AFAIK.

I think they just may, given the rather liberal traffic rights given to commonwealth members, though I don't think they would use them anymore, given that they only stop one way at this point.
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):

I think they just may, given the rather liberal traffic rights given to commonwealth members, though I don't think they would use them anymore, given that they only stop one way at this point.

PIA only has an "x" amount of 5th Freedom rights between the UK and the US, and in the past has chosen to use them on JFK and ORD services, not Houston flights. They can flucuate their freedom rights between flights, and now with non-stops to JFK they might indeed be using them on Houston, but they don't have the option of carrying local traffic on every US-UK flight they fly.
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:52 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 29):
PIA only has an "x" amount of 5th Freedom rights between the UK and the US, and in the past has chosen to use them on JFK and ORD services, not Houston flights. They can flucuate their freedom rights between flights, and now with non-stops to JFK they might indeed be using them on Houston, but they don't have the option of carrying local traffic on every US-UK flight they fly.

That makes sense. Given the inane US regulations on non-stop flights from Pakistan, I am trying to figure out how they would handle this logistically
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 20):
As for GLA/EDI - there is a shift in one frequency, demand and yeild were slightly higher to EDI last summer,

I will disagree and agree with you. The CAA figures say that demand was greater from GLA, but as you say the yields at EDI were most likely higher.

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Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:29 am

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 31):

I will disagree and agree with you. The CAA figures say that demand was greater from GLA, but as you say the yields at EDI were most likely higher.

Gaz

Cool - I heard very general info about this; I only asked because of the shift on the one "extra" flight intrigued me. My source (sounds so official!) said that the numbers between GLA and EDI are painfully close, but EDI was peforming slightly better, thus 11 to EDI and 10 to GLA per week. There is some talk that maybe next year each city will see double daily service over the summer, unless of course, CO launches NCL (the rumor that never goes away) and then the extra flight would go to that airport.

Best regards........
 
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:44 am

So how is BRS finally working out for CO after a year?? Many were predicting the routes early demise...

Maybe Dutchjet can enlighten us.
 
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:50 am

Quoting Klwright69 (Reply 33):
So how is BRS finally working out for CO after a year?? Many were predicting the routes early demise...

Maybe Dutchjet can enlighten us.

CO is sticking with BRS, much to everyone's surprise, and its going back to daily service for the summer, again much to everyone's surpirse.

What I have heard (and it honestly is not much....when I speak to my buddies at CO, I always forget to ask about BRS): CO seems determined to make this route work, that CO seems to think that it is developing a loyal following at BRS that are thrilled to be able to avoid the London airports, that loads are OK and that yeilds are OK.......to sum it up in one word: "Marginal". As with all routes, CO continues to evaluate BRS but the word continues to be that service will continue.
 
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:47 am

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
Continental Airlines is increasing the frequencies of its non-stop flights from the UK and Ireland to New York/Newark. From March 2, it is operating daily non-stop services from Belfast and Bristol to New York - up from five flights per week. From May 4, Edinburgh will be served by 11 flights per week, while from May 6, Glasgow will go to 10 flights per week - both up from seven flights. In addition, starting on May 6, Continental will operate two daily Boeing 757 flights from Manchester to New York, in place of a single daily Boeing 777 service - a seat capacity increase of 34 per cent over last Summer. Furthermore, from May 26, Continental will operate 10 non-stop services between Birmingham and New York - up from seven flights - a capacity increase of 43 per cent. Finally, departures from Dublin to New York with a stop in Shannon will double from May 4.



Quoting DptMAN (Reply 23):
On another note why no Houston-Manchester UK service, or does PIA provide adequte capacity per week? To my knowledge PIA operate 2x/Weekly. Or even a seasoal Cleveland to Manchester like CO do with LGW.
dptMAN

PK serves HOU 1x/weekly during off-season and 2x/weekly during peak season...however, for whatever reason, they have switched from the 777-200ER to the 747M (combi)........the combi gives them better freight from what I understand..

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 29):
PIA only has an "x" amount of 5th Freedom rights between the UK and the US, and in the past has chosen to use them on JFK and ORD services, not Houston flights. They can flucuate their freedom rights between flights, and now with non-stops to JFK they might indeed be using them on Houston, but they don't have the option of carrying local traffic on every US-UK flight they fly.

PK has always served IAH-MAN-Pakistan......whether it was only a fuel stop or a use of 5th-freedom flights, I don't remember exactly but I am pretty sure about them being able to use 5th freedom rights....

Until PK get their security situation straightened out in Pakistan, they won't be able to fly Pakistan-USA direct........

not to mention, they have a pilot shortage also......

anyway, I hope CO's EWR-BRS flight does well..... yes 

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Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:03 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 8):
That will make the anti-757-translantic guys happy

Rob,

Not to disappoint - oh what joy more 757's US-MAN. Thanks must go to DL, for giving a wide option, and more freight opportunity to offer between our facilities.

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RE: New CO Frequencies & Acft Changes To UK

Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:46 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 34):
So how is BRS finally working out for CO after a year??



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 35):
CO seems to think that it is developing a loyal following at BRS that are thrilled to be able to avoid the London airports, that loads are OK and that yeilds are OK.......to sum it up in one word: "Marginal".

Marginal I think is the word! Rumor has it that Business First only operates at less than 20% of seats filled on average. One flight went out this week less than 1/3 full. However, the week before the flights were 100% full. One thing people seam to comment on is the late arrival of the flights in to Bristol. The local morning news reports on flight delays and people hear that CO is delayed. This is leading to a growing perception that the flight is not necessarily reliable
 
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:35 am

Interesting my point. My CO flight to BRS last May was delayed due to fog and so was my inbound on the return flight.
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:09 am

Quoting Col (Reply 36):
Thanks must go to DL, for giving a wide option

What about poor old US?!
 
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:18 pm

Quoting Evolution (Reply 37):
Marginal I think is the word! Rumor has it that Business First only operates at less than 20% of seats filled on average. One flight went out this week less than 1/3 full. However, the week before the flights were 100% full. One thing people seam to comment on is the late arrival of the flights in to Bristol. The local morning news reports on flight delays and people hear that CO is delayed. This is leading to a growing perception that the flight is not necessarily reliable

interestingly enough, reading Airportsworld today at the bookstore (ok, I'm a loser, I'll admit it. biggrin  ), there was a nice section on BRS..

the growth rate in 2004 was 2nd in the United Kingdom, and 2005 saw over 5 million pax....and they hope to attract 12 million pax/year by 2030.....

also, according to the article, BRS has a catchement area of about 7 million people within a 2 hour drive radius..

lets hope that EWR-BRS flight does well....
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RE: New CO Frequencies & Acft Changes To UK

Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:56 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 24):
CO still cannot make CLE-LGW work on a yearround basis

They're not trying awfully hard either, not when the goal is to have all the slow northeast winter traffic funnel through EWR and even seasonally the aircraft is limited to smaller equipment that seasoned traveller's often prefer to avoid.
 
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:05 pm

Quoting LH121GLA (Reply 39):
What about poor old US?!

Commenting on Airlines making changes. US has the best quality Aircraft, has been for a long time, across the Pond. BMI had best on board service. The others are pretty much of a muchness.
 
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:28 pm

Quoting Joeman (Reply 41):

They're not trying awfully hard either, not when the goal is to have all the slow northeast winter traffic funnel through EWR and even seasonally the aircraft is limited to smaller equipment that seasoned traveller's often prefer to avoid.

CO would, in fact, very much like to make the CLE-LGW flight work on a year round basis - daily in the summer and 5X per week in the winter......until now the load and yeilds make the flight a loser during the winter months. Even during the "shoulder" months (such as April and October) when the flight does operate, the loads are not great on an average day. The goal is certainly NOT to have all London bound traffic go via EWR.....the yeilds on the seats on the EWR-LGW segment are quite good, as a lot of the traffic is O&D.....but CO cannot afford to operate CLE-LGW with lots of empty seats and low yeild pax with $70/bbl oil, so simple is it.

As for the 757 used on the route - do you really think that if the route operated with a 767-200, more people would fly it? The real world is very different from a.net.......pax chose the most convenient flights with the least stops/connections which is offered at a reasonable fare. The number of pax that select flights based on aircraft type is a very small number indeed.
 
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RE: New CO Frequencies & Acft Changes To UK

Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:54 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 43):
The number of pax that select flights based on aircraft type is a very small number indeed.

True story: a coworker flew from Atlanta to Ireland three weeks ago on Continental, via EWR. He drew the 757 to the U.K.

In his words, "Never again." He did not enjoy it, and this guy's not a civil aviation buff, so I found his take on it quite interesting. He said he sent a letter to Continental stating that he found the experience of transatlantic in a narrow body less than enjoyable. He went to London for the last couple of days on his trip, and flew back on a widebody. He was much happier about that, though I can't figure out who operated the flight. He swears the coach layout was neither 2-3-2 nor 3-3-3. I think he said there were five seats in the middle. I couldn't figure it out.

Now, personally, I'd love to fly the 757 across the pond. But I'm a geek.
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RE: New CO Frequencies & Acft Changes To UK

Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:23 am

Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 44):
He swears the coach layout was neither 2-3-2 nor 3-3-3. I think he said there were five seats in the middle. I couldn't figure it out.

AA and UA fly their 777's with a 2-5-2 configuration...

edited to add UA

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RE: New CO Frequencies & Acft Changes To UK

Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:14 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 43):
The goal is certainly NOT to have all London bound traffic go via EWR.....the yeilds on the seats on the EWR-LGW segment are quite good, as a lot of the traffic is O&D.....but CO cannot afford to operate CLE-LGW with lots of empty seats and low yeild pax with $70/bbl oil, so simple is it.

I hear what you're saying, especially about costs. I understand that the industry climate leaves CO's attention to CLE development at a minimum. The future outlook doesn't appear to be strengthening either. What is CO's goal, correction strategy, for CLE-LGW O&D and the little connection traffic the hub could muster aboard a direct flight during the slow season if not via EWR?

Personally, I am one that would prefer a widebody, even the smallest 767 with a comparable number of seats over a 757 for longer routes.
 
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RE: New CO Frequencies & Acft Changes To UK

Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:02 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 35):
Until PK get their security situation straightened out in Pakistan, they won't be able to fly Pakistan-USA direct

Are you able to provide more info. on this? Is it a PK issue or Pakistan airports?

Back to the thread topic, what aircraft does CO have on order? Lots of posts here allude to the lack of aircraft in CO so when will this change. Are they launching many new routes this summer or are they consolidating last years new routes?

Any CO insdiers know of any plans to return to NZ or Australia?
 
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RE: New CO Frequencies & Acft Changes To UK

Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:14 pm

I have only ever flown transatlantic on widebodies (EI 333, 332. AA 777. CO 767. IB 340.) But have traveled intercontinental on 757s with AA and find them to be very cramped. I would certainly have prefered CO to keep the 767 in DUB, at least one of the flights anyway rather than two 757s. This would put me of flyinh to NYC with CO now, I'd rather go 767 with DL or A330 with EI
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RE: New CO Frequencies & Acft Changes To UK

Sat Apr 15, 2006 6:02 pm

Rumors come and go about CO looking for used W/B lift. But Smith is very attached to the fleet commonality we have now. So oldskool 763s with vintage interiors would clash with our uniform 777-style widebody fleet from the customer POV. While it would entail a whole collection of MX and other issues behind the curtain. The market isn't exactly awash in suitable 772 airframes, and CO would have limited use for a used 744 (eg TLV).


Still, CO must be under preasure as DL leads the way in expanding with it vast W/B fleet. Beating CO to places a 752 can't get to. Even then this summer over half of CO's 757 fleet with be crossing the pond each day! So it will be a pinch to wait for the 787s.

Just a random bit of data, today CO's LAX-HNL was downgraded to a 753! So while unplanned it seems TZ's ETOPS can in handy!

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