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Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:06 pm

In several nationwide newspapers I have read that Jetblue is:

1. "Looking at small to mid-sized markets that are relatively untapped in terms of low-cost and non-stop service". (Bryan Baldwin, JetBlue spokesman.)

2. "Jetblue aims to minimize the red link by flying more short-haul routes, serving airports with FEWER rivals and raising fares. (MSNBC)

But yet, almost every city Jetblue serves currently HAS non-stop service to the NYC area (EWR,JFK,LGA). On one or more carriers with regional jets or mainline equipment.

Take for example recently announced CLT-JFK:
Route Airline Aircraft Frequency
CLT-EWR Continental ERJ 7x
CLT-EWR US Airways B733,B734,CR7,CR9 9x
CLT-LGA US Airways A319,A321,A320,B733.CR7 10x
CLT-LGA Delta CRJ 3x
CLT-LGA American ERJ/ER3 5x
CLT-JFK Delta CRJ 2x

Typically the more airlines that serve a route, the harder it is to make a profit on it. Competitive forces and customer needs also can force an airline to consider adding UNPROFITABLE flights.

Why start this topic? This topic needs to be debated. I hope someone agrees with me/gets my point. Or at least explain why Jetblue...Says one thing but does another

Disclaimer: Just my two cents. Don't have to agree.
 
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:11 pm

I think the main thing that JetBlue needs to do is raise the fares on the transcontinental routes-----that's where they're really losing money.......they can keep the fares lower ($39, $49, $59, etc) on the short-haul routes because it costs them less......but the $99 and even $149 O/W on the transcon has to stop if they want to be profitable.
 
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:22 pm

Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 1):
.......they can keep the fares lower ($39, $49, $59, etc) on the short-haul routes because it costs them less......but the $99 and even $149 O/W on the transcon has to stop if they want to be profitable.

No way will they get away with fares beginning at over $149 OW ($298RT) on transcons, no one will pay that unless its close to the low fares on other airlines, and no airline would let them do that even if its only to weaken B6 for competition on the $39-$59 routes.

The days of $400-500 RT starting fares for transcons are over.
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:27 pm

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 2):
No way will they get away with fares beginning at over $149 OW ($298RT) on transcons, no one will pay that unless its close to the low fares on other airlines, and no airline would let them do that even if its only to weaken B6 for competition on the $39-$59 routes.

All of the airlines need to raise their prices on the transcons to at least $199 O/W. Then they won't have to overcharge the short-hauls to compensate for the losses on the transcons.
 
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:43 pm

Nobody flies JFK-MCI. No competition. This is why I hate jetBlue. It's obvious they should come to MCI but they don't.
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:48 pm

Quoting Bobster2:
Nobody flies JFK-MCI. No competition. This is why I hate jetBlue. It's obvious they should come to MCI but they don't.

No but YX does fly a MCI-LGA mainline route and to my knowledge at a solid cost as well. With roundtrip being in the $188-$207 range excluding tax which is pretty good.
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:53 pm

CLT is a good move for JetBlue because it establishes them in another business market. They can't live on leisure fares forever and have to start flying to more places where they can generate a business following.

DFW, MCI, MSP, and IAH would make excellent follow up cities. Each of these cities could be opened from JFK, BOS, and IAD. Each is dominated by one carrier (perhaps not MCI), and the service would be most welcome on both ends.

On another note leisure passengers will not pay $199 OW to the West Coast any longer. They will wait for fare sales and connect if necessary, but the days of regular sales fares of $199 OW are over unless someone with alot of capacity goes out of business. Given the fact JetBlue's A320's have to make fuel stops in the winter it makes you wonder how economically feasible their transcon program really is.

Don't get me wrong their service is very good, but landing a plane adds cost to the flight and at $149 OW you're already on a thin margin.
 
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:55 pm

Quoting Bobster2 (Reply 4):
Nobody flies JFK-MCI. No competition. This is why I hate jetBlue. It's obvious they should come to MCI but they don't.

Your kidding right? Midwest Airlines flies MCI-LGA 3x Daily using 717 aircraft.And Continental Express flies MCI-EWR 4x Daily using ERJ aircraft. Must passengers would rather fly into LGA then JFK if they have a choice. (LGA is closer to Manhattan) How can you "hate" Jetblue if you've never flown them?
 
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:00 pm

Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 3):
All of the airlines need to raise their prices on the transcons to at least $199 O/W. Then they won't have to overcharge the short-hauls to compensate for the losses on the transcons.

No they are all playing the same game, leisure travelers won't pay 400 to go coast to coast, but people traveling 300 mile round trip don't expect to pay 60 all the time either. It is all about averages. CASM, and RASM.

Jetblue right now is trying to rightsize their market and keep competitive. By opening RIC, PIT, JAX, RDU and CLT they are going for quick turnarounds into JFK and Boston for markets they are confident will work. I think all 5 markets were good entries. Some would say the markets were saturated already, but truthfully for each airport getting to BOS or JFK N/S required legacy travel, with Legacy prices.

This will be better for business travelers, and even leisure travelers from these cities.

I don't think any part of these decisions to start service stands out from the mission statement that Jetblue is giving to the press. These are competitive routes for Jetblue, since they have the CASM to make the Legacies life miserable. And starting up these services so rapidly is going to make the legacy airliners head swim.
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:01 pm

Quoting Pensacolaguy (Reply 7):
and IAH would make excellent follow up cities

Wouldn't JetBlue pick HOU over IAH ? maybe not. I know there is the new ATA service from HOU hmmmm I have not idea really LOL but i'm interested now.

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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:07 pm

I think HOU would be great but is very much controlled by WN, something B6 and Neelemen want to stay out of, direct competition with WN. IAH is heading right for the gut of CO and to my knowledge their EWR operations are the worst money producing out of the three in NYC (Someone please correct me if I am wrong) so I think Houston in general is a crap shoot. Would rather see them go to SAT first, and see how the loads are there. Then work my way back to HOU or IAH.
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:19 pm

I think SAV and CMH might be the two most logical choices for the next two additions. Both did pretty well with FLYI.

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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:25 pm

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 8):
By opening RIC, PIT, JAX, RDU and CLT they are going for quick turnarounds into JFK and Boston for markets they are confident will work. I think all 5 markets were good entries. Some would say the markets were saturated already, but truthfully for each airport getting to BOS or JFK N/S required legacy travel, with Legacy prices.

This will be better for business travelers, and even leisure travelers from these cities.

I don't think any part of these decisions to start service stands out from the mission statement that Jetblue is giving to the press. These are competitive routes for Jetblue, since they have the CASM to make the Legacies life miserable. And starting up these services so rapidly is going to make the legacy airliners head swim

Thanks for somewhat explaining Jetblue. Ok, Jetblue is going to fly JFK-CLT.And US Airways will most likely add additional flights to LGA. On a competitive market (more then one carrier on a route) both of the carriers usually price match each other (FARE WAR) and in the end someone always ends up losing money. (Ticket prices are to low for both or one of the carriers to make a profit on the route) How won't this happen at CLT, RDU, RIC etc. Will Jetblue be the priciest carrier from CLT to the NYC area? How does Jetblue expect to make a profit with stiff competition on all/most of there routes? Let's say for example a passenger is wanting to fly from CLT to either LGA or JFK...US Airways offers $200 RT to LGA on a mainline jet..And Jetblue offers $250 RT to JFK on a EMB-190...Price verses quality...I suppose
 
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:37 pm

Quoting Pensacolaguy:
And Jetblue offers $250 RT to JFK on a EMB-190...Price verses quality...I suppose

Well remember the EMB-190 can hold up to 100 passengers which is the configuration B6 has it at, US has pretty much the same thing with the A319 anyway. Remember two big pluses though for US is frequency and CLT is a hub city giving passengers options, especially in the area of comfort with the lounges. B6 has a plus as the EMB-190 is a mainline jet(I hope you can except that as it holds over 100 passengers) and the fact that it offers the same services as the A322. In honesty it's really the passengers decision as to which is the best, but a focal point is weither you want the comfort in the air or the ground.
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:38 pm

B6 plans to win by having the lower CASM to afford the flights. That is why the key to this is that they are opening all of these stations withing a few months of each other. It is going to be a bit too much for US Airways/ Ameircan/ Delta to throw up a NYC fight, especially with US Airways and Delta still in difficult situations. American could throw a fight if they wanted from RDU, but lately they seem to be content with protecting MIA and DFW.

As long as B6 is right about their CASM, the deal is sweet for them.
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:52 pm

All of these cities will work out great for them. From what I heard, AUS got off to a pretty good start but got much better and is doing great now, RIC started off ok but should pick up soon enough and now PIT CLT and RDU will be great cities for them. I think of they go into cities like this form now on they should be back in the green by 3Q 06.

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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:03 pm

Quoting Dallas74 (Reply 6):
Given the fact JetBlue's A320's have to make fuel stops in the winter it makes you wonder how economically feasible their transcon program really is.

This is not a regular part of our winter operations. All airlines flying transcon A320 made similar stops. You can thank the unusually strong head winds, not JetBlue's "transcon program" Yeah sure

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 15):
AUS got off to a pretty good start but got much better and is doing great now

True, this route seems to have picked up very quickly. At the start, the loads were 40-60% , now the average seems to hoover around the mid 90s.
 
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:07 pm

Maybe B6 could start up OAK-TPA. It would be the only route connecting the two Bay Area's. I know TZ started up PIE-SFO and it was a miserable failure, but maybe B6 with smaller planes could make it work.
Also, any word on B6 starting up MIA? I remember the rumor, but haven't heard anything about it lately.

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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:36 pm

Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 16):
True, this route seems to have picked up very quickly. At the start, the loads were 40-60% , now the average seems to hoover around the mid 90s.

IIRC, B6 recently upgraded on of the flights to an A320(?)
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:24 pm

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 8):
By opening RIC, PIT, JAX, RDU and CLT they are going for quick turnarounds into JFK and Boston for markets they are confident will work. I think all 5 markets were good entries. Some would say the markets were saturated already, but truthfully for each airport getting to BOS or JFK N/S required legacy travel, with Legacy prices.

I agree with you completely! I am very happy for CLT and PIT especially. I hope jetBlue does extremely well in both markets!

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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:43 pm

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 14):
American could throw a fight if they wanted from RDU, but lately they seem to be content with protecting MIA and DFW.

AA is increasingly putting too many eggs in too few baskets (appropriate seasonal holiday quote!). Once DFW and MIA are "cracked" open by LCCs, AA will be in a big hurt!
 
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:19 pm

Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 18):
IIRC, B6 recently upgraded on of the flights to an A320(?)

I think you are right... according to jetblue.com the middle JFK-AUS flight is currently A320. Yet when I put in a date for June, all three were E190s, so perhaps the A320 is "seasonal" to AUS?

Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 16):
This is not a regular part of our winter operations. All airlines flying transcon A320 made similar stops. You can thank the unusually strong head winds, not JetBlue's "transcon program"

As bad as it was, it wasn't like every flight had to stop. A.net has a way of blowing these things out of proportion. I flew to the left coast on JetBlue in February and I didn't tech stop either way (westbound flight looked pretty full too!).
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:51 pm

In June, JetBlue will be starting 3 daily nonstops from JFK to JAX with the big planes after DL couldn't make that route work with 2 CRJ's per day... Makes one wonder.

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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:31 am

Quoting FlyBaby (Reply 22):
In June, JetBlue will be starting 3 daily nonstops from JFK to JAX with the big planes after DL couldn't make that route work with 2 CRJ's per day... Makes one wonder.

I'm guessing JetBlue's fares will be a lot lower than Delta's ever were....
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:39 am

Quoting Richierich (Reply 23):
I'm guessing JetBlue's fares will be a lot lower than Delta's ever were....

In my exprience, actually Delta's fares were pretty competitive on this route. They competed with CO which flies big jets n/s to EWR. DL also flies 4x CRJ JAX-LGA.
 
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:12 am

B6's glory days are over. This airline is trying to deplete fares so heavily that not even they can operate profitably. With these continued expansions into markets which are already well-served don't look for B6's profits to do anything but fall. Routes like JFK-MCI, JFK-MSP, JFK-STL, JFK-MKE, etc. are where they should be expanding to, but they continue to battle it out with DL, US, AA and others, who aren't going to give up without a fight.

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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:41 am

Quoting Pensacolaguy (Reply 7):
Must passengers would rather fly into LGA then JFK if they have a choice. (LGA is closer to Manhattan) How can you "hate" Jetblue if you've never flown them?

I have flown jetBlue, once every year since they started.

The problem is that I have to take YX to LGA and then take a taxi to get to their hub at JFK. YX is a fantastic airline but JFK is more convenient for me.

The fact is that there is no non-stop service from MCI to JFK. There must be a demand for that service, and the demand isn't being filled. And there is no other competition that will meet the demand.

It doesn't matter if LGA is more popular. JFK is also popular, that why jetBlue picked it for a hub.
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:08 am

Quoting Bobster2 (Reply 26):
JFK is also popular, that why jetBlue picked it for a hub.

That, and LGA is not really conducive to operating a hub.

Nobody will ever disagree that JFK is further from Manhattan than LGA is. It can take 30-45 minutes longer to get to on heavy-traffic days. And gate space/slots are pretty tight.

LGA also has my vote as the worst airport I have ever flown to - it is small, cramped, and subject to chronic delays thanks to being overcrowded. Oh, and parking sucks there too. While JFK may not be a gem, I think it makes a pretty compelling choice versus LGA, especially when one has to consider that the extra time it takes to get to is easily offset by the the relative lack of delays. Does anybody like sitting on a plane on the tarmac at LGA? I don't. I'll gladly take my chances on the Van Wyck or via NYC transit and AirTrain (in all fairness, neither airport is particularly easy for me to get to).
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:17 am

Quoting Bobster2:
It doesn't matter if LGA is more popular. JFK is also popular, that why jetBlue picked it for a hub.

Actually I think B6 picked JFK over LGA because to my knowledge it isn't slot controlled and two, it has room to grow.

Quoting FlyBaby:
In my exprience, actually Delta's fares were pretty competitive on this route. They competed with CO which flies big jets n/s to EWR. DL also flies 4x CRJ JAX-LGA.

You have to realize, DL to JAX from JFK was built on connecting traffic to international destinations not served from ATL. Most passengers from JAX heading to the NYC area are O&D.

As for EWR-JAX they operate two B735. Then everything is E35.
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:34 am

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 28):
You have to realize, DL to JAX from JFK was built on connecting traffic to international destinations not served from ATL. Most passengers from JAX heading to the NYC area are O&D.

As for EWR-JAX they operate two B735. Then everything is E35.

Yep, I am aware of that. One would think tough that with their often mentioned Intl' expansion then, if anything, they would increase, not cancel those flights. They could also have decided to fly 2x CRJ instead of 1x CRJ and 1x CR7. Delta's announcement they would cancel JAX-JFK happened before B6 announced they'll enter that market.

As for CO, checking for next week, it looks like they fly 3x E45, 1x 735 and 1x 733. The same day Delta flies 2x CRJ and 1x CR7 to LGA and 1x CR7 and 1x CRJ to JFK.
 
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:07 am

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 28):
Actually I think B6 picked JFK over LGA because to my knowledge it isn't slot controlled and two, it has room to grow.

We picked JFK because of the dead spots that exist. JFK is mostly international traffic and that leads to particular windows and rush hours so to speak. Once you look at the rest of the day at JFK, the traffic was almost non-existant. It gave B6 the opportunity to operate out of a major airport in the NY area that actually had "dead times" on the runways.
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:19 am

Quoting Pensacolaguy (Thread starter):
Says one thing but does another

We have been mentioning going to the Carolina region for a while so I don't see how your statement makes sense.

Quoting Pensacolaguy (Thread starter):
CLT-EWR Continental ERJ 7x
CLT-EWR US Airways B733,B734,CR7,CR9 9x
CLT-LGA US Airways A319,A321,A320,B733.CR7 10x
CLT-LGA Delta CRJ 3x
CLT-LGA American ERJ/ER3 5x
CLT-JFK Delta CRJ 2x

Are any of tese carriers classifed LCC?
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:39 am

I am honestly surprised that PWM and JAX are both A320 cities for JetBlue. I would have thought that both, or at least PWM, were perfect E190 markets but what the hell do I know?
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 5:12 am

Quoting Richierich (Reply 32):
I am honestly surprised that PWM and JAX are both A320 cities for JetBlue. I would have thought that both, or at least PWM, were perfect E190 markets but what the hell do I know?

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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 6:00 am

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 31):
Are any of tese carriers classifed LCC?

I thought US was shooting to be something like that?
 
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 6:05 am

US is shooting to be an LCC.

America West was, US Airways was NOT, so now it's quite the task to gradually drop fares without losing profitability. It would be the same with any other airline. If, say, B6 bought up United or Southwest bought Delta, and then tried to immediately drop all the fares to LCC prices, those airlines would tank faster than you can say "Chapter 7."
 
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 6:08 am

B6 could carve out a niche market in CLT owing to the lack of LCC's there. While USAir says they are now the "world's largest low fare airline", I wouldn't classify them as that yet. B6 OTOH, I would. Perhaps the B6-effect could take foot in CLT?

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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 6:14 am

From my original post:
"Given the fact JetBlue's A320's have to make fuel stops in the winter it makes you wonder how economically feasible their transcon program really is".

You responded:

Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 16):

This is not a regular part of our winter operations. All airlines flying transcon A320 made similar stops. You can thank the unusually strong head winds, not JetBlue's "transcon program"

I am sorry. My post was not a put down of JetBlue. I was questioning the economics of making a tech stop for fuel when yields are depressed. Might it be in JetBlue's interest to re-deploy the planes to routes where they could earn the same yield, but without the stop? The longest I have flow JetBlue is JFK to LAS, but I know many assoicates who use JBLU to PDX, SEA, and LGB. They told me stopping for fuel was frequent this year because the weather on the West Coast was abysmal. I was just curious to see how that impacts the overall profitability of the route structure.

I hope this clarifies the issue. I am going to be using JetBlue to Austin and look forward to flying in the 190!  Smile
 
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 6:28 am

"CLT-JFK Delta CRJ 2x"

How is that A LOT of competition?

JetBlue enters a market where there is 1 competitor twice a day!

That sounds like a route that is dying for competition.

As a matter of fact, every route that they serve out of JFK was like that. JFK had VERY LITTLE domestic service, when it should have has A LOT of domestic service.

That was the legacies' mistake.

JetBlue has and will continue to take advantage of that mistake.

They now own the domestic market at NYs largest airport.

CLT and RDU are sensible additions.

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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 7:43 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC:
"CLT-JFK Delta CRJ 2x"

How is that A LOT of competition?

JetBlue enters a market where there is 1 competitor twice a day!

That sounds like a route that is dying for competition.

As a matter of fact, every route that they serve out of JFK was like that. JFK had VERY LITTLE domestic service, when it should have has A LOT of domestic service.

That was the legacies' mistake.

JetBlue has and will continue to take advantage of that mistake.

They now own the domestic market at NYs largest airport.

CLT and RDU are sensible additions.

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Well the problem was that New York was viewed very differently than other areas. That at New York it would make sense that LGA would handle mainline non-stop direct domestic flights while the only domestic flights JFK would handle would be aimed at upstate New York and markets looking to connect for international flights to Europe you couldn't get out of other cities.

B6 changed this by I believe as B6JFKH81 said that their were dead spots. These dead spots were caused by the buildup of international traffic at heavy times.

Remember B6 also has CO, US, and DL from other New York airport markets as well.
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RE: Jetblue & Less Competitive Routes?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:02 am

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 39):
Remember B6 also has CO, US, and DL from other New York airport markets as well.

Yea but B6 at JFK serves a huge amount of people in that area along with DL, then LGA serves a whole different croud and CO has EWR which is a whole different croud too. Sure they over lap in Queens and Manhattan but if you look at it- JFK has S Queens, Brooklyn, Nassau County and even Suffolk and also Manhattan. Then LGA gets N Queens, Manhattan, Parts of Nassau County, also N Suffolk, and Bronx. The EWR with NJ, Manhattan, Sataten Island and then to extents Bronx and Brooklyn, but all these airports serve their millions fo people, sure they all over lap a lot with people going specifically for prices and willing to drive, but B6 with JFK-CLT over laps a little with LGA-CLT on US but CO EWR-CLT really don't compete that much since JFK-EWR is a long drive and from Manhattan people just have to chose their favorite aiport because they can get to both easily with travel times not to different. So CO at EWR-CLT doesn't really compete with JFK-CLT that much, but LGA-CLT competes with JFK-CLT a little more.

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