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JAL MD-80's/90's Future?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:59 am

Does anyone knows for how long JAL will fly its MD-80's and 90's?
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RE: JAL MD-80's/90's Future?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:08 am

Doesnt JAL have a good number of 737NG aircraft on order? My guess would be that JAL will, over time, replace its own 734 fleet, plus the MD80/90 fleet it inherited from JAS, with the 737NG family - primarily 738 models and maybe some 739ER variants.
 
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RE: JAL MD-80's/90's Future?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:30 am

JAL will move to having a fleet consisting of 737s, 787s, 777s and possibly if needed 747s. However they have stated they will do what NH is doing and use 773ERs in place of 747s. 737s will start doing domestic and short international (to Korea and China). The MDs will be gone in a few years.
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RE: JAL MD-80's/90's Future?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:47 pm

The most sensible scenario would be to first phase out the older MD-80s before moving onto the MD-90s then the 734s.
JL is anything but sensible these days, so they may pull the MD11/DC10 trick on us by replacing the newer plane first.
 
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RE: JAL MD-80's/90's Future?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:42 pm

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 3):
The most sensible scenario would be to first phase out the older MD-80s before moving onto the MD-90s then the 734s.
JL is anything but sensible these days, so they may pull the MD11/DC10 trick on us by replacing the newer plane first.

To the contrary, JAL was very sensible in disposing of its MD11 fleet ahead of its DC10 fleet - its about money and the second hand market. It was far easier for JAL to dispose of its MD11s; as you probably know, MD11s are in rather high demand for freighter conversions adn JAL probably did well financially on the sale of the MD11s.......as for the PW powered DC10s, in all likelihood, those aircraft will be broken up and become Pepsi cans as little to no second market exists for these airplanes, just ask NW.
 
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RE: JAL MD-80's/90's Future?

Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:42 am

Four of the former JAS MD-81 flies with JAL Express.
 
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RE: JAL MD-80's/90's Future?

Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:24 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):

Good points. The only ex-JL DC-10s flying are with Aeroflot cargo and one that was converted to an aerial tanker.

Quoting Viasa (Reply 5):

Actually, the MD-81s you mentioned have JAL Express (JEX) titles but all the MD-81s have the same configuration and used on both JAL & JEX flights.
This is the same with its 734 which some flies for JEX or Japan Trans Ocean. Though the configs do vary on the 734s as some were bought second-hand, which the second-hand airframes ones seat more.
 
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RE: JAL MD-80's/90's Future?

Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:36 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 2):
JAL will move to having a fleet consisting of 737s, 787s, 777s and possibly if needed 747s.

Presumably their 744 fleet is decreasing and they are looking to use the 77Wsto replace them. Is there really a need for JAL to operate 747s??

JAL have about 50 737NGs on order that were placed with the 787 order. How many 737 classics and MD's are we talking about replacing here??? Fleet numbers??

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RE: JAL MD-80's/90's Future?

Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:44 am

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 7):

Presumably their 744 fleet is decreasing and they are looking to use the 77Wsto replace them. Is there really a need for JAL to operate 747s??

AA1818

Thats a question that has not yet been answered - JAL had/has a huge 747 fleet and has operated many different variants of the 747 - there are certain high demand routes that probably will continue to require an aircraft in the 747 category, especially out of slot-controlled Narita. I think that JAL will eventually order a good number of 748i aircraft to replace at least a portion of its 744 fleet.
 
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RE: JAL MD-80's/90's Future?

Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:50 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 8):

Thats a question that has not yet been answered - JAL had/has a huge 747 fleet and has operated many different variants of the 747 - there are certain high demand routes that probably will continue to require an aircraft in the 747 category, especially out of slot-controlled Narita. I think that JAL will eventually order a good number of 748i aircraft to replace at least a portion of its 744 f

The thing is that JL is reducing the size and as they enter Oneworld, they will use more codeshare. Many of the Oz-Japan flights will become QF/JL codes, HKG flights will go CX/JL codes and London flights have been reduced and are becoming BA/JL codes. JL is only a shadow of its former self. They are reducing capacity so they can make a profit. Maybe they will order a few 748i but I think they will go with more 773ERs.
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RE: JAL MD-80's/90's Future?

Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:29 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 9):
Many of the Oz-Japan flights will become QF/JL codes

Does anyone know if the code share JL-NZ will continue on a short-term?
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RE: JAL MD-80's/90's Future?

Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:48 pm

In my opinion with the downsizing of JL, the 748 order will probably be for both pax and freighter versions or not at all. Hence pegged most likely on the 742F replacement.
If they decide to go entirely with 744 conversions for its 742F replacement, then it makes no sense to have a small fleet of 748 pax for trunk routes. Only a combined 748 freight and pax fleet would allow the justification to introduce a new aircraft type.

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 10):
Does anyone know if the code share JL-NZ will continue on a short-term?

Yes, NZ is the lone Star Alliance carrier staying in T2 at NRT when the refurbished T1 opens.

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 7):
JAL have about 50 737NGs on order that were placed with the 787 order. How many 737 classics and MD's are we talking about replacing here??? Fleet numbers??

8 - MD-87
18 - MD-81
16 - MD-90
23 - 734 (JL group)
 
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RE: JAL MD-80's/90's Future?

Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:05 pm

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 11):
Yes, NZ is the lone Star Alliance carrier staying in T2 at NRT when the refurbished T1 opens.

Why are they not moving? Kind of defeats the purpose of being in Star. They can't take good advantage of domestic connections. BAKA!!!!
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RE: JAL MD-80's/90's Future?

Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:08 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 12):
Why are they not moving?

Because, NZ will continue to codeshare with JL.