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CO 287: EWR-SNA Today?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 7:37 am

I think it's CALMSP that might be able to help with this one, but I have been watching CO 287 today and waiting for it, and then all of a sudden, it drops into Phoenix out of nowhere. Medical or maintenance because it was only on ground for 11 minutes? Interesting
 
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RE: CO 287: EWR-SNA Today?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:02 am

Unplanned fuel stop.
 
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RE: CO 287: EWR-SNA Today?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:45 pm

Why it needed a fuel stop is unknown.... But it was Ship 720 ... And that 11 min stop cost a 3:41 hour delay into SNA ....  boggled 
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RE: CO 287: EWR-SNA Today?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:09 pm

According to CO, it arrived in PHX at the gate at 1:56, 8 hours and 15 minutes after it left EWR.

In other words, that information is not about when it landed, as it doesn't have enough fuel to putz around for 8:15.

It must have landed in PHX much earlier and then sat on the tarmac for whatever reason, which I doubt is a fuel stop. Maybe a mechanical problem or medical emergency?

Maybe someone else has more info...
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RE: CO 287: EWR-SNA Today?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:19 pm

It was actually a fuel stop. It was on the ground for a very short time in PHX.

11.08AM - Left EWR
01.50PM - Landed PHX
01.56PM - Gated PHX
02.07PM - Left Gate PHX
02.22PM - Wheels Up PHX
03.19PM - Wheels Down SNA
03.24PM - Gated SNA

Where it had problems was sitting on the ground at EWR. It sat "waiting" for takeoff for a few hours. Was originally scheduled to leave EWR at 8.40am, but did not get wheels up until 11.08am
 
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RE: CO 287: EWR-SNA Today?

Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:31 pm

Quoting Artsyman (Reply 4):
Where it had problems was sitting on the ground at EWR. It sat "waiting" for takeoff for a few hours. Was originally scheduled to leave EWR at 8.40am, but did not get wheels up until 11.08am

aha. so it left the gate at 8:41, then taxied for 2:27, using too much fuel to make it against the storm winds over SoCal so they had to just land and top off.

Why so late out of EWR? Was there weather there, or some other issue?

What's funny is that if you look at the CO website, it says there was a scheduled time to arrive in PHX and it "Arrived Gate Late." That must have been news to the pax.  Wink
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RE: CO 287: EWR-SNA Today?

Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:05 am

EWR had heavy rains and winds yeasterday
 
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RE: CO 287: EWR-SNA Today?

Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:42 am

Just one of those flights where everything seems to go wrong.......left the gate at the wrong moment, the weather was terrible at that time, got stuck in the ground hold, lost its slot and sequence, finally took off hours late and then, likely because of the extended time sitting on the ground at EWR, ran a bit short of fuel and as a precaution did a quick stop at PHX.....in summary, a lousy day for the pax on that particular flight. This is nothing particular to CO, sometimes one issue builds on another, and the result is a very, very late arrival.
 
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RE: CO 287: EWR-SNA Today?

Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:57 am

Quoting DEEZNUTZ (Reply 1):
Unplanned fuel stop.



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
which I doubt is a fuel stop. Maybe a mechanical problem or medical emergency?

Wrong  thumbsdown 

Quoting IAHcsr (Reply 2):
Why it needed a fuel stop is unknown.... But it was Ship 720 ... And that 11 min stop cost a 3:41 hour delay into SNA ....



Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
left the gate at the wrong moment, the weather was terrible at that time, got stuck in the ground hold, lost its slot and sequence, finally took off hours late and then, likely because of the extended time sitting on the ground at EWR, ran a bit short of fuel and as a precaution did a quick stop at PHX.....in summary, a lousy day for the pax on that particular flight

Wrong  thumbsdown 

Quoting Artsyman (Reply 4):
It was actually a fuel stop

Right!  bigthumbsup 

From a friend at CO, the flight pushed on time for a normal flight but got caught up in departure delays out the New York area due to heavy restrictions on the west gate departures. Since there were no weather/restrictions on the north gate departures the plan was made to have the crew request a northbound routing but this would have mitigated a gate return for more fuel. That was not an option since the flight had pushed and the flight would have lost its taxi status time on the return. A fuel stop was planned to avoid both the gate return and another long taxi delay allowing to flight to depart.
There is a lot more behind the scenes coordination than most people realize and to think this flight was considered any less important than another is a misconception. Every flight gets the same amount of attention, if not more for SNA due to curfew and noise abatement restrictions. Regardless it is impossible to know all the details from watching flight tracking software and as you can see form the above example there were lots of people working on the fly to get this flight out of the NY area.
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RE: CO 287: EWR-SNA Today?

Sun Apr 16, 2006 6:59 am

... And just to complicate matters, Ship 720 then operated CO 420 SNAIAH .. 3:41 late, causing many missconnects in IAH ... But it was able to operate CO1898 IAHBON on time.

Quoting IAHcsr (Reply 2):
Why it needed a fuel stop is unknown

Du'h... if I had paid attention to the EWR Out to Off time I would known exactly why..  footinmouth 
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