Springbok295
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UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:40 pm

I just recently passed through JNB and noticed a 747-400 in full United Airlines colours without any engines parked in the SAA technical areas.

Was too far away to get a reg, does anyone have any info about this airplane?
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:48 pm

Check this thread:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2348330

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/andzz/IMG_1121.jpg

It is F-WLDV because it is going to Corsair. Last Monday morning there was a Corsair 744 in the engine run up bay as well but by the evening it was gone.
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:48 pm

I believe it is an Ex-United B744 that was sold to Corsair in France. SAA Tech got the contract for refurb/paint.

I have a hard time deciding whether your Username is appropriate!/?

Quoting Springbok295 (Thread starter):

Was too far away to get a reg, does anyone have any info about this airplane?
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:49 pm

I don't have the registration number, but SA Technical is working on it before it goes to SS.


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Springbok295
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:53 pm

Quoting AT502B (Reply 2):
have a hard time deciding whether your Username is appropriate!/?

I know, I have just started using the forum today, and your the second person to comment.

Its my dedication to the those lost aboard the Helderberg, I want to change it now as I don't think it apropriate any more.
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:59 pm

Why is there all that brown (rust ??) around the APU ?
Not looking in the best of shapes !

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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:01 pm

I took that picture on January 27 so she is probably looking worse now, we have had LOTS of rain!
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:08 pm

Is the 747 in full cs , isn't F-HKIS (or F-WKIS) , which is the next 744 to arrive shortly.
 
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:20 pm

The one that left on Monday was fully painted in that awful blue, and was obviously finished. No idea of registration I'm afraid.
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:22 am

It was the F-HKIS which is due to enter Corsair fleet on april 18th and should do it first revenue fly on april 21st. The one which is still in JNB will be F-HLOV.
 
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting Springbok295 (Reply 4):
Its my dedication to the those lost aboard the Helderberg, I want to change it now as I don't think it apropriate any more.

Nah, you're fine. I think there's a member out there who's username is "September 11" or something along those lines.

Is this plane here because Corsair have a hub here?

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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sun Apr 16, 2006 4:20 am

Quoting Springbok295 (Reply 4):
Its my dedication to the those lost aboard the Helderberg, I want to change it now as I don't think it apropriate any more.

Hey Springbok295, sorry to go off topic here, but what is the significance of your screen name anyway? I ask because I live in the Los Angeles area and there is a South African pub near me called "Springbok." Based on some of the reactions by other member within this post, it seems as if it has negative connotations...
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sun Apr 16, 2006 4:50 am

Quoting ZChannel (Reply 11):
Hey Springbok295, sorry to go off topic here, but what is the significance of your screen name anyway? I ask because I live in the Los Angeles area and there is a South African pub near me called "Springbok." Based on some of the reactions by other member within this post, it seems as if it has negative connotations...

This was the flight number of the ill-fated SAA Boeing 747 that crashed while attempting an emergency landing in MRU, enroute from TPE to JNB. This flight number has, I believe, been retired from SA schedules.
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:09 am

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 12):
This was the flight number of the ill-fated SAA Boeing 747 that crashed while attempting an emergency landing in MRU, enroute from TPE to JNB. This flight number has, I believe, been retired from SA schedules.

It was a long way from MRU when it crashed. The flight number was never used again.
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 13):
It was a long way from MRU when it crashed. The flight number was never used again.

It was between 100 and 200 miles of MRU when it went down. It was in contact with MRU when it requested an emergency descent due to a fire on board. Therefore, I'd say it's pretty close considering it flew nonstop from TPE.

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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:30 am

A bit off topic. The OP's username isn't inappropriate, particularly if it is a tribute to the victims. KAL007 is a long time member of this site with a name dedicated to that horrific incident.
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:42 am

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 12):
This was the flight number of the ill-fated SAA Boeing 747 that crashed while attempting an emergency landing in MRU, enroute from TPE to JNB. This flight number has, I believe, been retired from SA schedules.

There is actually quite an interesting history behind flight 295, with conspiracy theorists saying that the crash was linked to South Africa's nuclear weapons program.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Airways_flight_295
 
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:09 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
A bit off topic. The OP's username isn't inappropriate, particularly if it is a tribute to the victims. KAL007 is a long time member of this site with a name dedicated to that horrific incident.

I agree.

Quoting Springbok295 (Reply 4):
I know, I have just started using the forum today, and your the second person to comment.

Its my dedication to the those lost aboard the Helderberg, I want to change it now as I don't think it apropriate any more.

Not necessary. If its a tribute to the victims of that flight.
 
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:47 pm

Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 14):
Therefore, I'd say it's pretty close considering it flew nonstop from TPE.

My point was, it was not making an emergency landing when it crashed, as stated by Joker. 100 miles is a LONG way from land when you have a fire on board.

I have an interesting book called "Helderberg: Death Flight SA295" that chronicles the debris recovery and the inquest that followed. The book includes a transcript of the final conversation between MRU control and SA295 where the crew declared a full emergency and told MRU that they were already descending due to "a smoke problem in the aeroplane".

At 2:43 minutes past midnight SA295 said they were 65 miles from the field. The last communication from the flight was at 4:02 minutes past midnight when they were approaching FL050 as cleared by MRU control.

Quoting Gte439u (Reply 16):
There is actually quite an interesting history behind flight 295, with conspiracy theorists saying that the crash was linked to South Africa's nuclear weapons program.

This comes up time and again, and there have been several attempts to reopen the investigation. I wouldn't take that Wikipedia article too seriously, it says a fire started in the main cargo hold when the investigation showed it started in the combi cargo section on the main deck.
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sun Apr 16, 2006 2:17 pm

Quoting Andz (Reply 13):
It was a long way from MRU when it crashed.

And that is relevant how? As far as I know, it was well on its way to attempt an emergency landing in MRU, right?

Also, don't recall me mentioning any distances... 50, 100 or 200 miles is irrelevant to this discussion. The question was why "Springbok295".

Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 14):
It was between 100 and 200 miles of MRU when it went down. It was in contact with MRU when it requested an emergency descent due to a fire on board. Therefore, I'd say it's pretty close considering it flew nonstop from TPE.

Thanks!
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sun Apr 16, 2006 2:27 pm

Quoting Andz (Reply 18):
"Helderberg: Death Flight SA295"



Quoting Andz (Reply 18):
This comes up time and again, and there have been several attempts to reopen the investigation. I wouldn't take that Wikipedia article too seriously, it says a fire started in the main cargo hold when the investigation showed it started in the combi cargo section on the main deck.

I got the "Helderberg" book from eBay, and I really enjoyed it. Fascinating topic.

The websites that used to have more reliable information on SA 295 have been taken down, so that's why I linked to Wikipedia.
 
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sun Apr 16, 2006 2:33 pm

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 19):
don't recall me mentioning any distances

No, it wasn't you, apologies.
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:11 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
A bit off topic. The OP's username isn't inappropriate, particularly if it is a tribute to the victims. KAL007 is a long time member of this site with a name dedicated to that horrific incident.

It was from KAL007 that I got the idea for my username.I really do hope I have not offended anyone. I am a South African living in the UK and was just 15 years old living just 3km from JNB airport ( planes taking off from 03L flew right over my house) when the SA 295 crashed it impacted greatly on me and as I followed the investigations into the crash its what got me interested in jet airliners.

Quoting ZChannel (Reply 11):
Hey Springbok295, sorry to go off topic here, but what is the significance of your screen name anyway? I ask because I live in the Los Angeles area and there is a South African pub near me called "Springbok." Based on some of the reactions by other member within this post, it seems as if it has negative connotations...

Springbok is the callsign SAA use to this day, 295 was the flight number that crashed!

Quoting Boeingfanyyz (Reply 10):
Nah, you're fine. I think there's a member out there who's username is "September 11" or something along those lines.

For BoeingFanyyz, you have think about it!

And thank you to those of you providing the info about the UA747, I was not aware SAA had the contract for the Corsair 747-400.
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:22 pm

295 don't worry I'm not offended I just asked what inspired you to the username. My wife works for SAA Flight Operations and has since 1978 so she was close to the investigation and knew those who never came home.
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:51 pm

Where has this 744 been? I'm aware they store them in the desert, lots of sandstorms and rainstorms in Jo'burg?
 
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:08 pm

Quoting Simes (Reply 24):
lots of sandstorms and rainstorms in Jo'burg?

Look at the background of the picture, no sandstorms! The plane is there because SAA are converting it for Corsair. There has been at least one more, I saw it there in September, and there are other threads going back to March last year about UA 744s going to JNB to be converted.
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:13 pm

Sorry I wasn't too clear in my previous posts, what I meant was alot of sandstorms in the US, leaving desert dust all over, then the a/c's flown to Jo'burg and there's torrentual rain, flushing dust/dirt out???
 
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:21 pm

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 5):
Why is there all that brown (rust ??) around the APU ?
Not looking in the best of shapes !

This aircraft was previously sitting in the dust and dirt out at Victorville in Southern California. The tail and rudder area apparently has a hydraulic leak and the blowing dust/dirt has stuck to the fluid around the area. I have been there and seen this on other UAL aircraft and these planes are not cleaned before they ferry out. Hope that helps.
 
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:24 pm

Okay Simes my mistake!
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:08 pm

When i passed through JNB on 6th April the aircraft looked very dirty, except the nose cone was white.

I also noticed a number of 747-200/300 and SP's ( I'm guessing ex-SAA) parked at up around the airport.
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RE: UA 747-400 At Johannesburg

Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:42 pm

There are several ex-SAA planes parked all over JNB, an SP and Ndizani are over at Denel.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/andzz/ZS-SAJ_1.jpg

A couple of other 747s behind hangar 8.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/andzz/IMG_1113.jpg

A couple of 732s over at Safair (there is another thread somewhere about this blue one)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/andzz/IMG_0994_1.jpg

Then in the midfield are all sorts, a 743 and a selection of other planes belonging to who knows!
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