MaartenV
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Ex-Indy A319s

Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:45 pm

I has been over three months now since Independence Air ceased operations. At that point they had a fleet of 12 A319s. I did some 'research' on Airlines.net and Flightaware and this is what I found about them:

Reg: Ferried to: New Operator:
N803BR MMX Armavia
N804BR MMX,ORY Aigle Azur (not confirmed with a picture)
N805BR MMX ?
N806BR MMX ?
N807BR CWF Air Berlin
N808BR CWF Air Madrid
N809BR CWF Izmir Airlines
N810BR CWF Izmir Airlines
N811BR CWF Air Madrid
N812BR CWF Izmir Airlines
N814BR CWF Air Berlin
N815BR CWF Air Berlin

Can anyone provide me with information about what happened or happens with N803BR, N804BR, and N805BR?

Thanks!
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RE: Ex-Indy A319s

Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:17 pm

MaartenV,

Have seen a photo of the Aigle Azur A319 on another site so it does exist. A second A319 from either 805/806 is due for Armavia as well, from sources I've been in contact with. That would leave one unexplained...

I did research of my own at CWF  Smile

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RE: Ex-Indy A319s

Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:41 pm

Quoting MaartenV (Thread starter):
N805BR MMX ?
N806BR MMX ?

They are both reported for Volaris. But so was also N804BR before turning out in Aigle Azur's livery.
 
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RE: Ex-Indy A319s

Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:49 pm

Quoting Breiz (Reply 2):
They are both reported for Volaris. But so was also N804BR before turning out in Aigle Azur's livery.

I guess the same can be said about N803BR which went to Armavia, after it went to MMX. When those 4 (N803BR-N806BR) planes were sent to MMX instead of CWF, I assumed that they were already placed within a Mexican airline as opposed to the 8 flying to CWF. Or was they another reason for the different destinations? Maybe different owners or are they all leased by the same owner (ILFC? Airbus? Gecas?)?
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RE: Ex-Indy A319s

Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:10 pm

Armavia will be getting one more A319 next month but I don't know which one it is for sure.
 
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RE: Ex-Indy A319s

Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:13 pm

Quoting OD720 (Reply 4):
Maybe different owners or are they all leased by the same owner (ILFC? Airbus? Gecas?)?

That's a correct assumption.
N803BR to N806BR belong to CIT while the others are ILFC's property.
 
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RE: Ex-Indy A319s

Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:47 am

Hmm, I thought they could go to Germanwings, who already took some ex US Airways A319s.

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RE: Ex-Indy A319s

Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:54 am

Quoting Breiz (Reply 2):
Quoting MaartenV (Thread starter):
N805BR MMX ?
N806BR MMX ?

They are both reported for Volaris. But so was also N804BR before turning out in Aigle Azur's livery.

Volaris got two factory new A319s in March on lease from TACA (c/n 2657 and 2666).
It looks therefore that the connection between the CIT ex-Independence A319s and Volaris was wrong.
The allocation of N805BR and N806BR remains open.
 
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RE: Ex-Indy A319s

Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:12 am

Quoting Codeshare (Reply 6):
Hmm, I thought they could go to Germanwings, who already took some ex US Airways A319s

Germanwings' A319s are all CFM powered ones. Ex-Indys are IAE-powered.
 
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RE: Ex-Indy A319s

Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:47 pm

Rumour is they are supposed to go to Niki.
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MaartenV
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RE: Ex-Indy A319s

Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:11 pm

So we have two planes available, which are rumoured to go to Volaris (both of them), Armavia(one), and Niki (both of them). I guess buying and leasing out an A319 can be seen as good business, even if the airline youre leasing it to doesn't have a very certain future.

Both planes are still at MEX, I guess?
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RE: Ex-Indy A319s

Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:12 pm

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 8):
Germanwings' A319s are all CFM powered ones. Ex-Indys are IAE-powered.

That didn't stop AB from getting the former DH A319s, which have IAE engines, while their brandnew A320s have CFM engines.

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RE: Ex-Indy A319s

Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:38 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 11):
That didn't stop AB from getting the former DH A319s, which have IAE engines, while their brandnew A320s have CFM engines.

All of Armavia's A320s are CFM powered as well. Now their A319s are IAE. It may not be the perfect choice but if they need them badly, they take the extra step.