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AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:19 pm

Rumours has it to expect American Airlines to announce daily service between Miami and Phoenix very soon. In a surprising move US Airways/America West are pulling out of the route in July (in the middle of peak travel of all times), and AA will quickly be replacing them. Due to the fleet being tightly assigned in July, the start date is likely 4 September 2006, daily 757-200. Not 100% confirmed, but I wouldn't post it if I were not confident this is happening.
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:35 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
In a surprising move US Airways/America West are pulling out of the route in July (in the middle of peak travel of all times), and AA will quickly be replacing them.

Is there a reason why US/HP is pulling out?
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:53 pm

AA used to fly MIA-PHX daily so it's really not surprising they're going back at it again, US/HP dropping out of it that is really surprising though.
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:24 pm

Quoting MIA767 (Reply 2):
AA used to fly MIA-PHX daily so it's really not surprising they're going back at it again, US/HP dropping out of it that is really surprising though.

AA has never flown MIA-PHX. They have flown MIA-SAN in the past, another route which will hopefully be coming back this December.
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:37 pm

It's about time. I know AA has announced they are not planning any major domestic capacity increases this summer, but there are certain holes in their MIA operations that should be filled, most notably MIA-PHX, MIA-SAN and of course MIA-SEA. Also any word on the much rumored 4th MIA-SFO flight, or is that on hold too?
 
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:54 pm

MAH4546, just curious what your source is that US/HP is dropping MIA-PHX in July ? This is news to some US folks I know at MIA and the website is still selling seats MIA-PHX nonstop in mid-late July.

Thanks

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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:03 pm

It would be great if AA or AS would start a morning departure and an evening return on the SEA-MIA run.
 
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:11 pm

Hopefully the timing with work for connections to the Caribbean flights. But witht he history of AA in Phoenix, they will operate the flight for a few months and drop it like JFK, STL, LAX, SJC....
 
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:40 pm

Quoting AirCop (Reply 7):
Hopefully the timing with work for connections to the Caribbean flights. But witht he history of AA in Phoenix, they will operate the flight for a few months and drop it like JFK, STL, LAX, SJC....

The flight is here to stay, especially because US Airways is ending the route. AA will not let two of the largest cities in the US be left without non-stops.

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 5):
MAH4546, just curious what your source is that US/HP is dropping MIA-PHX in July ? This is news to some US folks I know at MIA and the website is still selling seats MIA-PHX nonstop in mid-late July.

It is no longer on GDS after the end of July.
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:05 pm

I haven't read anything about the discontinuing of the flight. It's possible they may run it seasonally only now, in the winter. It's also possible they may be turing the run over to US operated flights...that happened with the LAS flight and it disappeared in availability for a while. The new schedules should be updated shortly.
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:50 am

As a frequent MIA flyer, I'm very surprised to hear that HP/US is cancelling PHX-MIA. In our systems, PHX-MIA is still available for sale well into July. It could be possible that as FlyboyAZ said the flying might go all to US (LAS-MIA is already all US-East operated).
I'm surprised especially since these flights seem to *always* be full (albeit with a large no-show factor,and yes, loads don't equal profits), and I'm assuming they pull a better yield than FLL (and FLL is served 3x daily PHX, 1X daily LAS)
They also recently changed the times from a 7pm arrival to a 3:30 pm arrival (leaves PHX now at 9am, as opposed to 12p)
 
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:02 am

Good to see AA continuing to build up MIA. What's the next rumored destination from MIA?
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:13 am

I assume that if this route does indeed launch, it will likely be a 19:30-20:00 MIA departure, and perhaps an 06:00-07:00 PHX departure?
 
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:28 am

When I was back east the beginning of Feb, it was just about the time that HP/US announced that RDU/MIA - LAS would be turned over to US metal. As I connected through RDU on a PHX-PHL, it sparked conversation with the gate agents because they couldn't understand why I would connect and pick RDU. While talking, they did mention that they believed that RDU and as well MIA because of the LAS route transition would actually become complete US metal cities. There was another city or two that was mentioned as being transfered from HP to US metal, and I can't remember (thank you F upgrade and a few drinks) but I think BDL was one of them.
 
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:48 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):

AA has never flown MIA-PHX. They have flown MIA-SAN in the past, another route which will hopefully be coming back this December.

 checkmark ..I think they have left MIA a bit neglected lately....would be nice to see some more transcons out of MIA..(not that it affects me, as AA already flies SFO-MIA)..

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
the start date is likely 4 September 2006, daily 757-200. Not 100% confirmed, but I wouldn't post it if I were not confident this is happening.

interesting...with MIA being a 738 base, I would have thought they would start with 738's first......then moving up to the 752's if the flights were doing well...
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:02 am

MIA-LAS is already all-US, and I suspect that what you're seeing is simply a bit of lag time between the HP PHX-LAS flight being discontinued and the US flight being loaded into the schedule. FLL-LAS will also become a US East 757.

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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:21 am

As a yearly traveler between Medellin and San Diego, it would be extremely convinient if AA would indeed start MIA-SAN, departing Miami in the afternoon. It simply sucks to go to BOG in order to catch DL to ATL and then to SAN.


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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:25 am

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 13):
As I connected through RDU on a PHX-PHL, it sparked conversation with the gate agents because they couldn't understand why I would connect and pick RDU.

Now tell the truth.. wouldn't it be sooooo much better if when you connected at RDU that they had an authentic North Carolina BBQ establishment in the terminal.. Mmm.. nothing better than some good ole non-sauce BBQ..
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:59 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
interesting...with MIA being a 738 base, I would have thought they would start with 738's first......then moving up to the 752's if the flights were doing well...

There is a chance they are worried about weight out of PHX on some days.
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:04 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 7):
Hopefully the timing with work for connections to the Caribbean flights. But witht he history of AA in Phoenix, they will operate the flight for a few months and drop it like JFK, STL, LAX, SJC....

American used to fly between PHX and LAX? When? What a/c did they use?
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:06 am

Quoting ZChannel (Reply 19):
American used to fly between PHX and LAX? When? What a/c did they use?

Well, AA mainline flew it for years from at least 1933 through the mid to late 1970s. The route was cut, I think sometime in the mid to late 1980s, and then returned in 2001 being flown with mainline MD80s, and then later with Eagle RJs. The route was finally cut again in about 2003 when Eagle moved RJs out of LAX to other hubs in DFW and MIA.
 
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:08 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
AA has never flown MIA-PHX. They have flown MIA-SAN in the past, another route which will hopefully be coming back this December.

Yes they did, probably before 2001. I remember once having the opportunity to go on it, but decided to connect on DFW to arrive earlier to PHX, I believe that MIA-PHX arrived at PHX around 10:00 pm.
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:04 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):

There is a chance they are worried about weight out of PHX on some days.

I don't see a problem...the 738's are more than capable.........
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:48 am

I could see why US would pull out of MIA and that's because they have a larger prescence in FLL. I think US would rather focus on its FLL operations than on its MIA operations, but if the route is just changing to US East then perhaps they aren't even cutting it at all.
 
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:55 am

Quoting CM767 (Reply 21):
Yes they did, probably before 2001. I remember once having the opportunity to go on it, but decided to connect on DFW to arrive earlier to PHX, I believe that MIA-PHX arrived at PHX around 10:00 pm.

AA has never served MIA-PHX. This coming from someone who has worked and lived here since AA took over EA's operation.
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:33 am

Yes American did used to fly MIA-PHX I think it was a couple years ago on a 757
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:19 am

Some of us AA Miami fans have been waiting for years for this announcement.AA has never flown this route nonstop out of Miami trust me I know as well as others would have been all over the topic.Here are some mainline nonstop routes that have been cancelled out of Miami in the past

MIA-FRA
MIA-SAN
MIA-AUS
MIA-SEA
MIA-SJC
MIA-PIT
MIA-CLT

There might be a few other intl flights that I forgot but again there was never a nonstop flight between MIA and PHX.
 
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:40 am

Quoting Doug (Reply 26):
MIA-PIT
MIA-CLT

AA still serves these markets on Eagle jungle jets. But mainline, no.

Quoting Doug (Reply 26):
MIA-FRA

When was this discontinued? Were the yields that terrible?
 
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:52 am

MAH4546:

You've said in the past that AA would do well flying MDW-MIA. Has there been any discussion of starting that route?

To the best of my knowledge, no is currently flying that route, and I don't think anyone has flown it in the recent past, even on a seasonal basis.
 
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:37 am

Quoting MIA767 (Reply 25):



Quoting MIA767 (Reply 25):
Yes American did used to fly MIA-PHX I think it was a couple years ago on a 757

No they have not. I have flown AA for the past 11 years out of PHX, and a non-stop to Miami was never an option.
 
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:49 am

Quoting Doug (Reply 26):
There might be a few other intl flights that I forgot but again there was never a nonstop flight between MIA and PHX.

Also cancelled from MIA...

MIA-CZM
MIA-ANU
MIA-GND
MIA-LGW
MIA-BAQ
MIA-MTY
MIA-BQN
MIA-HOU

I have heard rumors that CZM, ANU, GND, BAQ, and BQN might come back. That would be nice, but with the current gait constraints I don't see how it could be done.

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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:08 am

Quoting MIA767 (Reply 25):
Yes American did used to fly MIA-PHX I think it was a couple years ago on a 757

No they never have.

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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:41 am

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 15):
One PHX-MEM flight has been upgraded to a 733.

THIS IS VERY MUCH OVERDUE!!! Everytime I flew to PHX to see family, the 90-seat RJ was overbooked...totally insane...even tho it was a 90-seat RJ, 4.5 hours or so makes that plane seem a lot smaller than it is...
 
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:03 pm

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 13):
As I connected through RDU on a PHX-PHL, it sparked conversation with the gate agents because they couldn't understand why I would connect and pick RDU.

So why did you connect in RDU?
 
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:46 pm

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 28):
You've said in the past that AA would do well flying MDW-MIA. Has there been any discussion of starting that route?

To the best of my knowledge, no is currently flying that route, and I don't think anyone has flown it in the recent past, even on a seasonal basis.

I don't see why American would have the need to fly to MDW. They already have a hub at ORD. Not to say that pax wouldn't take this flight, just that it seems pointless with the hub at ORD.
 
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:56 pm

Quoting Mah584jr (Reply 34):
I don't see why American would have the need to fly to MDW. They already have a hub at ORD. Not to say that pax wouldn't take this flight, just that it seems pointless with the hub at ORD.

They, MIA, were supposed to have TZ start up flights to MDW, but that got stopped around the time they stopped flights to BOS, EWR and MSP. Ofcourse FL stepped in and picked up those routes. I don't see FL doing the same for MIA.

Quoting Doug (Reply 26):
MIA-FRA
MIA-SAN
MIA-AUS
MIA-SEA
MIA-SJC
MIA-PIT
MIA-CLT

AA made cuts out of some of these cities to other places, I know BOS used to have non-stop service to AUS, SJC and SEA before AA cut them. In the case of both MIA and BOS, AS picked up the flights.
 
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:58 pm

Quoting Mah584jr (Reply 23):
but if the route is just changing to US East then perhaps they aren't even cutting it at all.

That is probably whats going on, word would have spread already about the flight being totally cancelled.

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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:32 pm

Well, main reason was to book and fly on the ERJ170.

Was booking a trip PHX-PHL-LAX-FLG, and being a HP Gold Elite, I booked with my new US numbers over on the US site, overall took 3 attempts and internet support from the HP side because US charged my c.c. a total of $3,817 for r/t tickets that only cost $1,272 for 2 ppl because they couldn't get the res to PNR on the US website. Each time I called, US said they showed the itinerary without it being confirmed, so it took 2 weeks to resolve the issues. We departed PHX on Sat 1/28 and the issue was resolved on Thurs 1/26 by HP internet support. At that time, being so close to departure, the only routes that allowed an early PHX departure with a connection to an USAirways Express ERJ170 flight were flights both using about the 10am push to either RDU or CMH, or a double connection MCO/DCA but that arrived into PHL too late for plans. When HP had the CMH hub, I would use it as a layover on every monthly trip to PHL from PHX, so with that already experience, I decided to see RDU for a few hours and check a new airport out which lead to the best RJ flight in the world, the ERJ170.

Hopefully once the merger is complete, the new airline does decide to keep the HP booking engine and site for res and other internet support. The simplicity on the HP site to view schedules/timetables, view a combination of flights that show both first/coach fares while showing all possible flights from nonstops up to flights with 2 connections, where it was a breeze to check f.f account and then get the on-line support while I waited 47 minutes on the US site to be disconnected 6 minutes into the call.
 
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:57 pm

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 11):
Good to see AA continuing to build up MIA. What's the next rumored destination from MIA?

BHM and SAN have always been rumoured, but as with all domestic expansion for AA from all their hubs, it is slow and careful.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
interesting...with MIA being a 738 base, I would have thought they would start with 738's first......then moving up to the 752's if the flights were doing well...

757 is more suited for the route, where yields wouldn't be that remarkable.

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 30):

I have heard rumors that CZM, ANU, GND, BAQ, and BQN might come back. That would be nice, but with the current gait constraints I don't see how it could be done.

MIA-CZM was supposed to start in Feburary. Wilma killed it. BQN might start soon, especially if Delta does well. Don't look for Barranquilla to return, but don't be surprised to see AA flying to Cartagena and Periera, as they have already told the Colombian media they are strongly considering it. I don't know about AA's case specifically, but in general, there is no gate crunch at MIA, and with the South Terminal opening in February, it will free up a lot of space in Concourse E for AA.

Quoting B752OS (Reply 35):
Ofcourse FL stepped in and picked up those routes. I don't see FL doing the same for MIA.

Think again. There is a 50/50 chance you will see it in November. MIA will be waiving landing fees for two daily flights if airTran agrees to start them. Also expect SFO-MDW. SFO and MIA are two major business travel airports that lack Midway service (or, in the case of SFO, will soon).

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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:08 pm

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 37):
Hopefully once the merger is complete, the new airline does decide to keep the HP booking engine and site for res and other internet support.

I think that is the case. Our new site will be a revamp of the old HP site...so I would basically expect just cosmetic changes to the current site. It's supposed to be debuting within a month.
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:51 pm

flyboyaz - great to see you still around. let's hope for the best through the merger right? fat got a mainline flight, can we only wish the best for you to get one
 
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:58 pm

MAH4546, What do you see as the next international city for AA?
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:12 am

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 41):
MAH4546, What do you see as the next international city for AA?

Bombay, India is looking very likely for late 2006/early 2007, from Brussels. It's definitley not set in stone, but they haven't done a good job keeping it secret.

If Venezuela gets lifited to Cat. I, then they will likely allow AA to fly to Valencia and Porlamar, and that would not shock me.
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:22 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 42):
Bombay, India is looking very likely for late 2006/early 2007, from Brussels. It's definitley not set in stone, but they haven't done a good job keeping it secret.

I have heard this before too. Seems the way to go since they don't have enough 772s for a non-stop. Can they get the rights to fly to another country from BRU?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 42):
If Venezuela gets lifited to Cat. I, then they will likely allow AA to fly to Valencia and Porlamar, and that would not shock me.

Very hot market for AA. Porlamar could do well with both a 738 from MIA, and an ATR from SJU. Valencia would be packed to MIA!

You stated Cartagena and Periera are on outlooks. This would be very good considering that CTG does not have any non-stop competition as AV has the route all to themselves.

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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:46 am

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 43):
Can they get the rights to fly to another country from BRU?

Yes, very easily. In fact, seeing that US/Belgium have Open Skies, US/India have Open Skies, and I am pretty sure India/Belgium have a very liberal agreement (if not Open Skies), they for the most part already do.

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 43):
I have heard this before too. Seems the way to go since they don't have enough 772s for a non-stop.

More than that, there are logistical issues flying a 772 non-stop between the USA and Bombay, which is why Delhi has the non-stops, even though Bombay is the bigger, higher yielding market (not to down play DEL, which is obviously a great market too).
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:46 am

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 30):

I have heard rumors that CZM, ANU, GND, BAQ, and BQN might come back. That would be nice, but with the current gait constraints I don't see how it could be done.

I am dying to see MIA/GND restart. Getting home is a real pain in *** finding my way to SJU then flying 2.5 hours to GND on an ATR72.
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:27 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 38):

757 is more suited for the route, where yields wouldn't be that remarkable.

I was thinking about the cost and if AA have the ability to fill the plane up....
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:47 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 46):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 38):

757 is more suited for the route, where yields wouldn't be that remarkable.

I was thinking about the cost and if AA have the ability to fill the plane up....

There will be no issues filling up the plane, and the 757 is better to operate on lower-yielding routes. Cheaper per/person. 738s are reserved for high-yielding routes, like MIA-DCA and MIA-PLS.
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:55 am

Mark, any chance of seeing that 4th MIA-SFO anytime soon, or is it on hold?
 
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RE: AA Will Likely Start MIA-PHX

Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:02 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 48):
Mark, any chance of seeing that 4th MIA-SFO anytime soon, or is it on hold?

Almost any new domestic routes/frequencies added at MIA will be added in November and December 2006, with the exception of the Phoenix service which will likely quickly be added ASAP to fill US/HP's departure. Too early to tell exactly how AA wants to expand domestically at MIA at this point, or any of their other hubs and focus cities (though traditionally, only MIA gets significant domestic expansion in the winter, while the rest see it in the summer). AA recently took an even more conservative stance towards domestic expansion, and the new domestic routes we have seen launched recently were just a handful of what was originally planned, but it is good to see AA expanding cautiously. More than anyone, they probably evaulate their routes the closest before launching them (even though they do have false starts, like JFK-NCL) because unlike some others (notabely Delta) they aren't as keen to taking initial losses for future gains. Nor are they a huge fan of incentive packages. AA doesn't like them, and when they are in negotiations with airports for them, they usually ask for significantly more funding than others, such as what happened at GNV about two years ago.

[Edited 2006-04-18 19:06:25]
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