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Qantas 747-300'S To Stay Until 2011

Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:40 pm

I know that pilots don't always know everything but the Captain of QF4 last night told me that the 743 will stay in fleet until 2011.

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Qantas has spent considerable money updating the seating in Y class on these planes plus some engineering updates and whilst the fuel burn may be high the fact that they are paid for is obviously a big bonus.

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From a passenger's perspective I guarantee not one average passenger knew that the aircraft on my 2 recent flights were 20 odd year old fleet veterans.

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These aircraft will go onto be the oldest ever aircraft owned and operated by Qantas. Long may those lovely old noisey Rolls Royce engines sing

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Anybody know how many hours/cycles on the airframes?
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RE: Qantas 747-300'S To Stay Until 2011

Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:50 am

A good portion of the additional costs are flight crew. The QF 743s are the last aircraft in the fleet requiring a Flight Engineer.

I imagine the aircraft will be gradually phased out as the 787s join QF from 2009.
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RE: Qantas 747-300'S To Stay Until 2011

Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:15 am

Perhaps earlier as the A380 will replace the 744 on some routes, which can replace the 743s.
NRT no longer sees the QF 744/743 as the daily overnight NRT-SYD is now an A333. This frees up two 743 for other purposes or to the boneyard.
 
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RE: Qantas 747-300'S To Stay Until 2011

Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:44 am

Isn't there only about 4 of them left in the fleet?
 
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RE: Qantas 747-300'S To Stay Until 2011

Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:51 am

They use them up to India a lot as they have a high seat count and it is a lower revenue service.
I also heard from a QF pilot and a QF ground manager that they would be around at least another 3 years.
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RE: Qantas 747-300'S To Stay Until 2011

Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:27 pm

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 2):
NRT no longer sees the QF 744/743 as the daily overnight NRT-SYD is now an A333. This frees up two 743 for other purposes or to the boneyard.

Are you sure about this? The QF online timetable will not curently give me an aircraft type for any NRT flight. Interstingly the timetable is showing two different scheduled times for QF21 to leave SYD: 2140 on 2, 5 & 7 and 2210 on 1, 3, 4 & 6. All with an arrival time at NRT of 0635 the next morming. Could the half hour time diffrence be that B743 operate on 1, 3, 4 & 6 and A330 on 2, 5 & 7?

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RE: Qantas 747-300'S To Stay Until 2011

Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:35 pm

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 2):
Perhaps earlier as the A380 will replace the 744 on some routes, which can replace the 743s.

We will see about that. I am betting we are more likely to see the 748I replace the 743s than the A380s
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RE: Qantas 747-300'S To Stay Until 2011

Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:40 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 5):
Quoting Carpethead (Reply 2):
NRT no longer sees the QF 744/743 as the daily overnight NRT-SYD is now an A333. This frees up two 743 for other purposes or to the boneyard.

Are you sure about this? The QF online timetable will not curently give me an aircraft type for any NRT flight. Interstingly the timetable is showing two different scheduled times for QF21 to leave SYD: 2140 on 2, 5 & 7 and 2210 on 1, 3, 4 & 6. All with an arrival time at NRT of 0635 the next morming. Could the half hour time diffrence be that B743 operate on 1, 3, 4 & 6 and A330 on 2, 5 & 7?

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According to NRT airport online schedule, tonight QF22 bound for SYD is scheduled with a B743.

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RE: Qantas 747-300'S To Stay Until 2011

Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:40 pm

The reason that they will stay until 2011 is because all 5 active 743's have undergone D check recently in the last 12-18 months or so. I'd agree though that the first aircraft will probably leave in 2009 and the last in 2011.

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 5):
Interstingly the timetable is showing two different scheduled times for QF21 to leave SYD: 2140 on 2, 5 & 7 and 2210 on 1, 3, 4 & 6. All with an arrival time at NRT of 0635 the next morming. Could the half hour time diffrence be that B743 operate on 1, 3, 4 & 6 and A330 on 2, 5 & 7?

Yup exactly that! The 743 runs 4 days and the A333 the other 3, back to daily 743's from July 1st I think it is.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 4):
They use them up to India a lot as they have a high seat count and it is a lower revenue service.

They no longer fly the 743 to India, they use the A333 which operates SYD-DRW-BOM-SYD.

They only fly

SYD-NRT 4 weekly daily from July 1st again.
SYD-HNL 3 weekly
SYD-PER-SYD 2 daily

From April 27th till early June they will operate the MEL-AKL-LAX flight 3 times a week while the 744's are out for scheduled maintanence.

Still other routes like BNE-SIN that used to get the 743 now get the A333 simply because it has Skybed and the 743 doesn't.

Not a great lot of use for 5 aircraft though 1 is an operational spare usually with EBU permanently stored.

They still fly the Tasman from time to time to AKL and CHC, currently none scheduled but they do pop in every now and then.
 
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RE: Qantas 747-300'S To Stay Until 2011

Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:45 pm

At this stage the A330-300 is operating the QF021 freeing up the B747-300's to operate the SYD-PER CityFlyer flights....My personal oppinion, I see these aircraft replacing the A330-200's when they are transfered to JetStar International & then when B787's come online Qantas will retire the B747-300 fleet in 2008...

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RE: Qantas 747-300'S To Stay Until 2011

Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:37 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 4):
They use them up to India a lot as they have a high seat count and it is a lower revenue service.
I also heard from a QF pilot and a QF ground manager that they would be around at least another 3 years



Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 8):
They no longer fly the 743 to India, they use the A333 which operates SYD-DRW-BOM-SYD.

I am aware that DRW is only a technical stop, but how long is the stop for---are the pax allowed to de-board.
 
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RE: Qantas 747-300'S To Stay Until 2011

Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:20 am

I got lucky in mid Feb this year when my SYD-AKL sector was changed at the last minute from 763 to 743 - used the operational spare. Very nice interior, I was most impressed. Just a pity it happened to be the same rego as a previous trip rather than one of the 4 I have yet to fly on!!
 
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RE: Qantas 747-300'S To Stay Until 2011

Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:36 am

I'm amazed by that interior. I didn't realise Boeing (or someone) offered a -400 cabin retrofit. Obviously there are a few minor variations on the real -400 interior but I flew on a JALways 747-300 from Sydney to Osaka in August 2005 and it was like walking onto the set of Airport 1975.

And speaking of disaster, the aircraft just had big screens at the front of each cabin. The IFE started with one of those "news programmes" off the satellite that morning from Nikkon TV or whatever. Anyway, the date was the 20th anniversary of the JAL 123 disaster in 1985 when the tail blew off, and, unbelievably, the screens filled with images of the plane crash site, blackened tree stumps and pieces of wreckage fluttering in the wind, the only recognisable piece of the plane being a burned stump of wing with the logo JAL plainly visible. It was truly the most surreal experience of my life, not least because the rest of the passengers, almost all Japanes I might add, didn't seem to notice. It went on for quite a long time.
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RE: Qantas 747-300'S To Stay Until 2011

Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:20 am

We dont have 747-400 interiors... just seats and IFE. but the overhead bins, Galleys, are all the OLD 743 style...Horrible!

This aircraft actually has the LOWEST flying hours within all the 747 fleet! Interesting indeed!

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RE: Qantas 747-300'S To Stay Until 2011

Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:49 am

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RE: Qantas 747-300'S To Stay Until 2011

Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:26 pm

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 13):
We dont have 747-400 interiors... just seats and IFE. but the overhead bins, Galleys, are all the OLD 743 style...Horrible!

Well, presuming you weren't a flight attendant back in the glory days, it must be nice to see how it was "back in the day" ... as inefficient as it may seem to you. Count yourself lucky  Smile

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 12):
It was truly the most surreal experience of my life, not least because the rest of the passengers, almost all Japanes I might add, didn't seem to notice. It went on for quite a long time.

For some reason I find this incredibly funny... I would imagine that had this happened in the US, there would have been several lawsuits for emotional distress, a public outcry, and news programmes would have been banned from all airlines forever more  Smile
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RE: Qantas 747-300'S To Stay Until 2011

Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:41 pm

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 13):
We dont have 747-400 interiors... just seats and IFE. but the overhead bins, Galleys, are all the OLD 743 style...Horrible!

The interior in the picture at the beginning of this thread clearly has -400 walls and ceilings. The -200 cabins are one of these two:

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Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 15):
Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 12):
It was truly the most surreal experience of my life, not least because the rest of the passengers, almost all Japanes I might add, didn't seem to notice. It went on for quite a long time.

For some reason I find this incredibly funny... I would imagine that had this happened in the US, there would have been several lawsuits for emotional distress, a public outcry, and news programmes would have been banned from all airlines forever more

Dude, it was kind of incredibly funny and downright strange. It was like something off Saturday Night Live, but I was the only one in on the joke. To add to the effect, we were getting punched around quite a bit by turbulence. Most of my friends are bad flyers, and by extrapolation I presume most people are. Watching truly horrifying footage of the aftermath of the crash of the same plane and airline you're on, while flying through turbulence, oh man, there are people I know who would have suffered legitimate psychological harm. I guess the Japanese are made of sterner stuff. Still, a very bizarre experience! Kinda renders the editing out of plane crash scenes in movies "for airline viewing" (like they did to The Day After Tomorrow) redundant if you're gonna show the real thing.
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RE: Qantas 747-300'S To Stay Until 2011

Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:56 pm

If only my 1985 Ford looked that good =) and its only spent about 205000km/30km/h = 6833hrs on the road. Then again, I guess its never been regularly repainted, had a new interior put in, and had its engines and other components serviced as meticulously as QFs 747-300s!

I wanna ride on the classic at least one more time, last time I got a ride was in '99 on Nalanji Dreaming with the old interiors - I still rated that over the -400 with GE engines they bought on the same year Big grin. By 2010, I think Qantas will have one of the last passenger classics in service in the Asia-Pacific region.
 
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RE: Qantas 747-300'S To Stay Until 2011

Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:13 pm

There was an ad in the weekend paper here stating that 743's are operating some PER-SYD services, and promoting the IFE.
 
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RE: Qantas 747-300'S To Stay Until 2011

Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:49 pm

Quoting RB211-524H (Reply 17):
I wanna ride on the classic at least one more time, last time I got a ride was in '99 on Nalanji Dreaming with the old interiors

Yeah, I flew on the same aircraft in January 2005, right before it was retired. SYD-BNE, very nice flight!

Quoting PER744 (Reply 18):
There was an ad in the weekend paper here stating that 743's are operating some PER-SYD services, and promoting the IFE.

That's a really smart move actually. As it's the longest distance domestic route in the country and therefore the highest priced, it makes a lot of sense for this to be promoted. That said, I didn't mind SYD-PER without individual IFE when I did it...

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 16):
The interior in the picture at the beginning of this thread clearly has -400 walls and ceilings. The -200 cabins are one of these two:

The second picture of yours has the same overhead bin configuration as the QF 743 in the thread starter though! These are different to the QF 400s.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 16):
Kinda renders the editing out of plane crash scenes in movies "for airline viewing" (like they did to The Day After Tomorrow) redundant if you're gonna show the real thing.

This is very true! Maybe it got through by mistake? Great story you have to tell though!
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RE: Qantas 747-300'S To Stay Until 2011

Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:58 pm

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 13):
We dont have 747-400 interiors... just seats and IFE. but the overhead bins, Galleys, are all the OLD 743 style...Horrible!

Well they planes are immaculate. No average passenger could possibly know that these are 20 year old plus. I have flown on planes, especially in the USA, with scratched glass and perspex, worn carpets, etc. The interior of these 747-300's is like new. I know the galleys are old style, but the seats, IFE, interior trims are, windows are all like new.
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