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Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:05 am

At the risk of producing a thread some will hate, what aircraft would you like to see flying in 50 years? What new developments do you think will occur, where will the market fluctuate, what new fuels are on the horizon to power the next generation airliner?

I would like to see a 300 seat hypersonic by 2060 powered by a sustainable resource - maybe fueled by a high capacitance storage solution recharged at the airport from green energy sources?
 
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:19 am

Northwest will surely be flying the good old DC9's and the threads will continue what they will replace them with.  rotfl 
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:46 am

I can see sub orbital aircraft doing LHR to SYD in less then an hour in my life time, and i don't think either Airbus or Boeing are going to pioneer this venture.
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:52 am

Knowing the Royal Air Force, I can see the old Canberra still being around!

I'm getting tired of seeing the headline "Last flight of the Canberra" in the RAF news, they've been using that chestnut for 4 or 5 years now.

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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:42 am

My dream..... Boeing develops the next generation of passenger scram-jets.
 
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:26 am

Ever since the new FBW came out with the glass cockpits, I have been a little scared in thinking about what this industry will be like 50 or so years from now. While we may see scram-jets and cheap supersonic and/or hypersonic crafts, I think we need to find alternate sources of energy to make it commercially viable for it to happen. The oil problem will continue to haunt this industry for as long as oil will be around, not only because of a turbulent world but a continuous increase (of demand) on the same sources.
Anyway you were thinking about new propulsion systems and speed, first things that came to my mind were the issues of pilot-less crafts and economic problems anybody trying to make oil driven machines go even super-sonic would face.

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 2):
I can see sub orbital aircraft doing LHR to SYD in less then an hour in my life time, and i don't think either Airbus or Boeing are going to pioneer this venture.

Sounds interesting, Boeing and Airbus may be busy fighting over this market while someone else gets a break through and start a new age of sub-orbital aircrafts, that I can imagine happening.

Bottom line, I think we have resources to make things happen, they have to be made commercially economical to have any chance.
 
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:56 pm

My prediction.....

Oil will be about $1000 a barrel. Only a couple of airlines will exist, connecting only the largest cities while charging astronomical, incomprehensible fares.

Telecommunications will boom as teleconferencing will replace most of today's face-to-face meetings.

I don't think it will take 50 years to get there. More like 10 to 20.

I think commercial aviation as we know it today is a doomed industry.
Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
 
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:09 pm

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 6):
Jetdeltamsy

While that is one of the infinite number of possibilities, someone somewhere has always been to able to fine a way around things. I am hopeful same will happen here. We are in the reverse right now, the absence of Concorde, but then its because its not all that much needed. While telecom can solve a lot of needs, the majority of pax traffic today needs to be physically present at their destination. Unless teleportation can become a reality, there will be airlines. We have seen, despite the turbulence the industry had to go through, the cost only went down for the consumer. In fact even Concorde is off the scene because of its astronomical cost.
Who knows what the Ansari X-prize be a begining of, Burt Rutan or any of the other teams may already be on to something.

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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:21 pm

Every flight will be on a Regional Jet. To get over the big ponds it will be a E145XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXR Jet
 
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:58 pm

I recently came across a presentation (proceedings of a conference), which to me seems very interesting and quote relevant to the topic of this thread. However I cannot post the entire article as it is against the rules of Anet.

Transportation Research
E-Circular
Number E-C027, March 2001
Airports of the 21st Century
Proceeding of a conference
Luncheon Session,
Airport Capacity by Matthew Coogan - Consultant

There is no direct link to it, but following are the steps to get it,
Go to
http://www4.trb.org/trb/onlinepubs.nsf/web/circular

Find “E-C027” Airports in the 21st Century– this will lead you to a PDF document.
Then go to the Luncheon Session to find the article.

The presenter is assuming that he is from 2050 and looking at the past 50 years (that is the period between now and 2050)

In summery it says, the natural evolution of the concept of airlines code sharing will eventually create airlines that doesn’t own aircraft, but only leases a portion of an aircraft (number of seats) owned by a different type of companies (may be aircraft leasing companies).

So, for the same point to point service several airlines need not operate several aircraft at the same time, but they can share a single large aircraft accommodating their passengers at different parts of the aircraft provided by a leasing or some other company.

Interestingly, this concept gives more importance for bigger aircraft without challenging the trend to point to point service.

Following are just few sections (not one after another) from the presentation to give an idea.

I’ve looked at this historical record, and they perceived there was a capacity problem in the national airports system. So, I’m going to talk to you about how that capacity problem went away. As you all know, we don’t have it anymore, and I want to talk to you about three aspects of it. I want to share with you our conclusion that a lot of things happened over that 50-year period, but the main changes were institutional and not technological.

I did some research in an Official Airline Guide of the year 2000. I looked at schedules from Boston to Los Angeles, and I found that a third company—Delta— decided to fly the route that had been dominated by American and United. So, at 3:00 p.m. in Boston, there is a 757 that goes out with the word “American” on it. There is also a 757 that goes out with the word “United” on it at 3:00 p.m. There is a 757 that goes out with the word “Delta” on it. They are all going the same place, essentially providing the same service. Well, what happened between their world where you got stuck on the runway, and the world we have today?

Then the lawyers and the finance guys got at it. They said, internal to the company, let’s separate out the portion of the company that owns the airplanes, maintains the airplanes, and flies the airplanes. Let’s create separate divisions within our corporation, but make sure that any function that deals with the customer remains with us. We will keep this loyalty that we have built up over these decades and decades.

Then the four airline organizations restructured themselves to become the integrated service providers. They called themselves integrated service providers. Their job was to sell you a ticket from your origin to your destination. This was defined by the customer: it could be airport-to-airport or home-to-home.

Over this decade, the belief in the use of dedicated assets was abandoned, just the same as it had been in the rest of the transportation industry. The organizations formerly known as airlines decided to outsource the task of providing modal service. This slide shows the first of the jointly operated planes. The red airline would lease the back 200 seats, and the blue airline got the middle 200 seats, and a white airline got the front 200 seats, and boy did they compete. I’ll tell you, the competition was fierce. They competed with frequent flyer miles and they competed more aggressively than they had before when they were all flying on three separate 757s. The only thing that changed was the efficiency of operation.

High capacity aircraft were designed for the American domestic market. Without going into details, there was a very large company in Seattle, Washington, that was uniquely positioned to make large planes. The now familiar 767 became the workhorse of the industry, a role once played by the 737 and the 727 before that. But before the adoption of the new paradigm, this manufacturer of efficient airplanes was having trouble convincing the U.S. airlines to buy their biggest planes. Under the new system, the restructured airline company would buy 25 percent of the seats on each shared flight. With this system, they all could offer hourly flights to L.A., but with only one-quarter of the aircraft operations.
 
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:18 pm

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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:23 pm

Unless an alternative to oil is found, there probably won't be any airlines in 50 years time. Over the coming years, as the price of oil rises, more and more airlines will go bankrupt and things will be like they were in the beginning, when flying was something that only the most wealthy people could afford. The supersonic age has already come and gone (1970s to 2000s).
 
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:08 am

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 6):
My prediction.....

Oil will be about $1000 a barrel. Only a couple of airlines will exist, connecting only the largest cities while charging astronomical, incomprehensible fares.

Telecommunications will boom as teleconferencing will replace most of today's face-to-face meetings.

I don't think it will take 50 years to get there. More like 10 to 20.

I think commercial aviation as we know it today is a doomed industry.

Call me a technocrat, but I honestly believe that man will find a solution to the oil problem that will be a healthy alternative. I do think that we will have aviation in fifty years, and it will still be a booming industry. I place my trust in innovation. If we have gotten this far already, all we need now is a renewable energy resource to get us even farther.
 
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:48 am

My 50 year prediction:

There are several alternatives to oil, just not at a price point where they are cost effective to produce.

Oil production will be an issue, however, there are still many large oil reserves. With China and India becoming developed nations with a large thirst for oil, oil demand will increase, production will top out, and prices will go up. However, coal and shale can be refined in to syn-gas. Aircraft manufacturers are looking into electric/fuel cell hybrid systems or alternative fuel systems. I'd expect that the manufacturers would adapt aircraft to this system-- although it will take a significant amount of time and expense. It will probably show up in the military first, then be adapted for general/commercial aviation. It will most likely be a painful process, but it will happen.

What I'd expect to see is futher computerized modeling of aircraft and aircraft systems. Better dispatch rates, better predictive failures, improvements in flight controls, composites, etc. Aircraft will be even quieter and able to predict atmospheric issues and re-route without human intervention. There is a high potential for the flight crew to be reduced to one "pilot", and flight attendants. I'd predict that the pilot will be a systems manager, basically there to monitor things from takeoff to landing, while the computers do all of the flying. I'd almost say that the cockpit could be fully automated, but I think the flying public would be a little adverse to that-- unless the airfare was cheap enough.

I'd also like to see the first structures where the wings are adaptive- wings that change shape for the flight conditions without the use of flaps/slats-- by using material properties instead.

Finally, I'd like to see a few airships come back into the mix. Some companies are looking into Airship "cruise liners"-- there is a good chance they might come back.
 
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:07 am

Along with airships I think tilt-rotors will mature and become a more common form of transportation. I think quad tilt rotors (something Bell helicopter is working on) will replace most regional jets which will help alleviate some of the congestion at most major airports. Airplanes will still be running on jet fuel, while most cars will be hybrids with some hydrogen and electrical ones running around.
 
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:25 am

Substitutes for oil as a fuel are already in the works: coal, oil shales, natural gas, wind & solar, fission, and fusion all will play a part. I personally believe that wind & solar cannot effectively contribute more than 10% of total energy. Nuclear for electrical generation is actually the best option with hybrid cars with sufficient batteries to travel say 80 miles per charge before kicking in the engine would make a huge impact. With serious work and letting the market move itself away from oil due to cost will be the best approach.

Liquid hydrocarbon fuels will make the most sense for air travel for the forseeable future. However, these could be synthetic fuels with a higher specific energy content without an increased flammability. Alcohol does not hold good promise for aviation as it has less energy per pound than jet fuel. If the fuel had 20% more heat content per pound (and same density) the same weight of fuel could propel the plane 20% further with the same weight of fuel.

Looking back to 56 is basically the introduction of the jet airliner. We have evolved since then but not radically. I see flights at the current speed but possibly higher altitude for more efficiency, I am not sure about very high or fast operations as it is likely to be very expensive, it would be nice though. We need those sci-fi scientists to invent teleporting but that is unlikely. I think that the market will be predominately medium size widebodies, with narrowbodies replacing the RJ's currently.

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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:10 am

Quoting JayinKitsap (Reply 15):
Substitutes for oil as a fuel are already in the works: coal, oil shales, natural gas, wind & solar, fission, and fusion all will play a part. I

And what do we substitute for the natural gas which is already in short supply and costs ever rising?
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:18 am

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 6):
I think commercial aviation as we know it today is a doomed industry.

I agree. Aviation but also the world will face majors problem the coming years. A number of airlines shall disappear, lot of joblosses will follow, wars will start. Oil must and shall be replaced by new energies like coleseed, sugar carrots, sugar cane, fusion and nuclear energy...very soon! Energy shall become more and more expensive. Populations who used to pay a little for energy shall never see lower energy prices...
 
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:27 am

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 16):
And what do we substitute for the natural gas which is already in short supply and costs ever rising?

Artifical gas, biodeisel and so forth. The natural reserves of these fuels may be dwindling, but we can always make them if required - they are just more expensive.
 
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:38 am

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 6):
My prediction.....

Oil will be about $1000 a barrel. Only a couple of airlines will exist, connecting only the largest cities while charging astronomical, incomprehensible fares.

Telecommunications will boom as teleconferencing will replace most of today's face-to-face meetings.

I don't think it will take 50 years to get there. More like 10 to 20.

I think commercial aviation as we know it today is a doomed industry.



Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 12):
Call me a technocrat, but I honestly believe that man will find a solution to the oil problem that will be a healthy alternative. I do think that we will have aviation in fifty years, and it will still be a booming industry. I place my trust in innovation. If we have gotten this far already, all we need now is a renewable energy resource to get us even farther.

I agree with both of these guys, lol. But I think it's quite likely that we'll start seeing a technological "creep" from the automotive industry to aerospace propulsion design, specifically in the area of hybrid/alternative fuel sources. Either we'll see engines that use batteries and jet fuel (I'm ignoring obvious weight issues because I think engineering will be able to overcome that) like the Toyota Prius or we'll see engines running on Ethanol or what have you or perhaps even a combination of both. Bottom line is that when the need is strong enough, the will to create and contribute will push development along further and faster than we may expect.

That's for the "big" jets. However, in my mind, it is more likely that we'll see vast fleets of microjets popping in and out of local airports, -fields, and -strips like fleets of taxies. Actually, now that I think about it, I discussed this point sometime last week in a thread relating to MagLev trains, lol.

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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:00 am

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 6):
I think commercial aviation as we know it today is a doomed industry.

We'll stop driving gasoline vehicles long before we stop flying.

Hmmm....

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060327214605.htm

Quoting 787engineer (Reply 14):
Along with airships I think tilt-rotors will mature and become a more common form of transportation. I think quad tilt rotors (something Bell helicopter is working on) will replace most regional jets which will help alleviate some of the congestion at most major airports.

Never going to happen. Nice dream, but a pipe dream. The tiltrotor will never make economic sense in commercial service. There's simply no need for it on the types of routes it would be suitable for when a simple turboprop can outperform it for much less cost. The closest thing to it will be larger 100 seat turboprops doing 300 mile routes burning half the fuel of their jet counterparts.

Wouldn't it be ironic to see a 150 turboprop in 10 years?

[Edited 2006-04-18 21:20:44]
 
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:13 am

Maybe teleportation will be the mean of transport in 50 years !  rotfl 

sorry couldn't resist. I'm sure that the new "fuel" is already found and all technology that goes with it. Patents are held by the big petroleum companies. So for sure we'll still be flying in 50 years, exactly the way we do it now but with non-pollutant aircrafts.
 
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:58 am

I think when push comes to shove in the United States, we'll become serious about some ultra high speed rail. Hundreds of passengers can travel on a train at rapid rates from city to city at a fraction of the cost over flying.
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:13 am

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 22):
I think when push comes to shove in the United States, we'll become serious about some ultra high speed rail. Hundreds of passengers can travel on a train at rapid rates from city to city at a fraction of the cost over flying.

Rather than restate the points and arguments here, I'd like to suggest that you take a look at this thread: Maglev Train, Competitor To Aviation (by Dallasnewark Apr 12 2006 in Civil Aviation)

We covered a lot of the same points here (high speed rail/Maglev, &c), so it makes it a worthwhile read.

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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:05 am

Quoting Peterinlisbon (Reply 11):
Over the coming years, as the price of oil rises, more and more airlines will go bankrupt and things will be like they were in the beginning, when flying was something that only the most wealthy people could afford.

Sounds like as more and more airlines go bankrupt then the demand for oil will diminish, resulting in a drop in price. Of course, that will only happen in a free-market system.

Quoting Mustang304 (Reply 13):
There are several alternatives to oil, just not at a price point where they are cost effective to produce.

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Quoting JayinKitsap (Reply 15):
Substitutes for oil as a fuel are already in the works: coal, oil shales, natural gas, wind & solar, fission, and fusion all will play a part.

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Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 18):
Artifical gas, biodeisel and so forth. The natural reserves of these fuels may be dwindling, but we can always make them if required - they are just more expensive.

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Quoting DTW757 (Reply 22):
Hundreds of passengers can travel on a train at rapid rates from city to city at a fraction of the cost over flying.

Sure. Once the development and construction costs are paid off.
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:16 am

my predictions are that we will see the end of the metal tube and wing, powered by JP. The future holds the introduction of a blended body with an automatic fbw system (pilot not included). It will be powered by a multi fuel hybrid engine. One of the fuels will be synthetic, one non carbon based. It will be very quiet, but big and subsonic. Just my guess, but that's what agencies like DARPA have been developing and the airlines have been asking for.
 
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:38 am

Ha! All you people that bemoan the fact that high oil prices and the eventual depletion of oil will bring the aviation industry to a complete stop - This isn't going to happen! Forget these ideals of fancy hydrogen powered planes, solar powered, nuclear powered - all impossible!

But there is hope - alcohol powered planes (methanol or ethanol) will come about when the need arises e.g things go to s**t with Iran, China wants more oil and oil prices just keep rising astronomically.

Now you ask, how is an alcohol powered plane going to work?? The current generation of turbofans, tanks and fuel systems can be modified without changing everything so they combust on ethanol instead. Airliners won't look significantly different, we will still have large twinjets with high-bypass turbofan engines slung under the wings.

Next question: Isn't alcohols energy density too low?? Yes it is - it only carries approximately 1/2 as much energy per kilogram/pound/whatever weight measurement you want to use as jet fuel does BUT you can dump twice the weight of it into the combustion chamber at once and it will still burn cleanly giving you the same amount of power (or even more). (This is why F1 cars use alcohol based fuels but need pit stops all the time).

Now we're faced with the problem that airliners will use their fuel twice as fast and therefore slash range into half. We're back to the good ol' days when 3500-4000NM (by no means short) was the max range achievable by the latest and greatest airliners i.e 747-100, early L1011s, DC10s in the 70s etc the only difference is now we need 787 and A350 lightweight technology for this for 2020 and beyond.

I see the fact that Boeing and Airbus can build planes that fly 7500-8000NM on todays JetFuel as a sign that they're preparing to build planes that can fly 3750NM-4000NM on alcohol instead. The number of routes in this world that need that sort of range are miniscule. True, you may open up new markets and fragment existing ones now but this is only a temporary phase that will last for 2 decades at most.

When we have large aircraft light enough to travel 4000NM on alcohol, we'll be back to the days of hub-hub operations again with old tech stops seeing a revival like ANC, non-stop transpacific won't happen again - HNL and Nadi will need to become tech stops, Dubai will be back on the map for Europe-Asia the list goes on.

The need for air travel isn't going to go away, we may ride in our compressed air/solar/battery powered cars and use electricity that will come mainly from nuclear/coal/gas power stations but the bulk of worlds bio-ethanol will go towards powering airliners which will need it the most because there is no other alternative and to powering other types of heavy machinery we rely on that are involved in the production and tranportation of bio-ethanol.
 
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:32 pm

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 6):
Oil will be about $1000 a barrel. Only a couple of airlines will exist, connecting only the largest cities while charging astronomical, incomprehensible fares.

Doubt it. Oil will be low again because our gov. will finaly relize that environmentalists are the cause of high oil prices and we will drill in Alaska to have our own oil. Air travel will be ran by only a few airlines in the USA. As AA, UA, US will be buying out all of the other airlines ie. AS, F9, B6, DL, NW. Spirit, Allegiant, Midwest, Southwest, ATA, AirTran will all be gone before they can be bought out.

We will the A380 around still and being used by every airline. UA will use them as Hub hoppers.
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:03 am

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 27):
Doubt it. Oil will be low again

While none of us has a crystal ball, I think you're way off track. Oil will never again be cheap. Those days are gone. Alaska has only a few years supply at current demand levels.
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:28 am

January 1, 2056.

Emirates signs deal for largest aircraft order in history.

Dubai, UAE. Emirates, the airline of Dubai, signed a historic deal today for 1,000 BoeingBus 007s, new generation hydrogen powered jetliners. The order includes 400 BoeingBus 007-As seating 800 passengers, 300 007-Bs seating 450 and 300 007-Cs seating 200. The airline said that it hopes to launch hourly services to Perth and Brisbane with its new fleet by 2058 plus daily services to Ithaca, NY and its 100th daily service to the UK. The only other aircraft under consideration was the Chinese built ZZ-404. However, the 404 will not be available until 2060, while the joint BoeingBus aircraft are available now. Michelle Lepointu, CEO of BoeingBus said "with the merger of Boeing and Airbus in 2050, we can now compete with the Chinese large aircraft manufacturers and the Indian built regional jets."

Delta makes historic loss of $ 2 trillion last quarter. CEO charges pilot unions of unfair demands.

Air India says that call centers will remain in Benin even as customer complaints rise.

Air India today insisted that its call centers will remain in Benin and that it would not react to rising customer complaints and bring the call centers back to India. "Our call center staff in Benin and other African nations are trained to speak with Indian accents and provide the best service standards in the world today," a spokeswoman said. However, Nikhil Varma, head of the Union of Call Center Workers in Mumbai said that the airline was taking advantage of low wages in African nations and that Beninese call center workers were poorly trained. The airline faced a similar controversy last year when it hired 400 flight attendants from now defunct Air Sam to be based in Newark, NJ for its US operations.

Air Sam workers rally in Washington, DC

Ex-employees of now defunct AirSam, the entity created by the merger of United, American and Northwest Airlines, rallied today in the nation's capital demanding that the nation's laws be changed to nationalize the airline industry. "Eighty years of deregulation have created a mess," said Heather Johnson, who worked as a flight attendant for 66 years. "I'm 88 now, and I worked until the day we got our pinkslips from AirSam, and I've lost all my benefits," Ms Johnson said.
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:51 am

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 6):
I think commercial aviation as we know it today is a doomed industry.

The only upside I could see to that would be the rapid influx of cheap parts creating a boom in simbuilding. However, I think GA woud still be large. Most GA aircraft still use internal combustion engines, which could stay around by implementing automotive technologies.
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:04 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 29):
January 1, 2056.

Brilliant, man!
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:23 pm

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 28):
While none of us has a crystal ball, I think you're way off track. Oil will never again be cheap. Those days are gone. Alaska has only a few years supply at current demand levels.

I do not think so. It will all be because of politics and environmentalists will be kicked to the side to let us drill in Alaska, Gulf Coast, and Mid West. That is our biggest problem. Not Iran or Ven. Its the environmentalists and oil will come down for us Americans.
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RE: Future Of Aviation - 50 Years On

Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:44 pm

According to the Mayans in 2012 the world will face a lifechanging cosmic event, so in 50 years from now we will either fly at hypersonic speed on clean and safe spaceships....... or be back on balloons.

In any case, I hope to be alive by then.

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