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Parking Planes For Many Hours

Sun Jun 11, 2000 1:09 am


Hello y'all,

I was just wondering why many airlines park their planes after longhauls for almost a day on the ground of an airport.
e.g. Qantas arrives at about 07.00h in the morning at FRA and leaves at 23.45 h.
Same thing with others in South America.

I don't think that's very efficient, right ?? Is it just because they wanna have good connections ??

Can someone please tell me why some airlines do it ??

Thanks

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RE: Parking Planes For Many Hours

Sun Jun 11, 2000 1:18 am

isn't it mandatory to have an airplane on the ground for a certain amount of time after lots of flying? maybe for an A or B check(not very familiar with the checks). i know that here in buenos aires, almost every long haul plane that comes here stays for a while. UA and AA have their flights arrive in the morning and take off at night. the same goes for AR. there is only one flight to the states that is during the day and that is with AR to miami. i think it is because long flights are just too long when it is during the day and nobody can sleep. on a nightflight, everybody goes to sleep and wakes up during landing, que facil! i dont know about you but i love night flights, especially when i fly the early flight from eze-mia with american. we arrive at like 4:30 am and i think we are the first international flight in, cutoms is a breeze and the cuban coffe at la carreta is amazing!
 
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RE: Parking Planes For Many Hours

Sun Jun 11, 2000 5:22 am

I think it is either to get its c-check,b-check etc or to rest the aircraft or just simply for passenger convienience because I personally love flying at night, especially on long international flight because I can sleep and watch the sunset over the ocean. so i think it also has to do with passenger convienience.
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RE: Parking Planes For Many Hours

Sun Jun 11, 2000 5:23 am

I think it is either to get its c-check,b-check etc or to rest the aircraft or just simply for passenger convienience because I personally love flying at night, especially on long international flight because I can sleep and watch the sunset over the ocean. so i think it also has to do with passenger convienience.
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RE: Parking Planes For Many Hours

Sun Jun 11, 2000 5:26 am

Strictly scheduling.
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RE: Parking Planes For Many Hours

Sun Jun 11, 2000 5:45 am

Plus for any of those flights the plane has already been in the air for 8+ hours not to mention the time it has spent flying earlier in the day. So the airline is still getting a decent daily utilization and fiiting in with the schedules to connect with outbound flights at the hub.
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RE: Parking Planes For Many Hours

Sun Jun 11, 2000 6:17 am

Scheduling, it just is the way things have worked out, Nearly all West bound flights to the states from Europe leave during the day, while all East bound flights leave at night, thinks have changed a bit, but thats the way it is in most cases. Same goes for Europe/Asia flights, all of them arrive very early in europe and leave late that night. They don't spend to long on the ground in Asia doing it this way. Anyway, airlines would like to change it, Qantas requested the CAA to allow BA flight crews fly the parked B747's in LHR during the day on busy europe schedules, with Qantas taking some of the profit etc..
The CAA wouldn't allow it, but it shows that the airlines want to use the aircraft as much as possible, but with pax convience/scheduling etc.. it doesn't always work out.
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RE: Parking Planes For Many Hours

Wed Jun 14, 2000 6:45 pm

Mostly schedualing.....for example

There is a night cerfew at SEA. If memory serves it if from 2am-6am(feel free to correct me if I am wrong) In order to avoid flying in during the cerfew hours airline will try to schedual around the hours.

So that is why here at ANC there is a rush of SEA bound planes that are schedualed to leave out of here at about 1:30-2:30 in the morning. By the time you add in flight time and the hour time change they will arrive just after six in the morning after the curfew ends.
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RE: Parking Planes For Many Hours

Wed Jun 14, 2000 7:12 pm

Hi
in most cases it is scheduling which deceids this. Mainly to reach a good departure time. Within Europe for example, you need early departures and very late ones to attract business travellers, this is why for example AF would be tempted to fly it's last flight into FRA and lay it over there to have a very early departure next morning. Other factors that may cause or intensify this include:
- Slots. If you only get a certian slot then either you fly this way or you skip it.
- Ban of Nightflights
- Technical Layovers, if maintains at a certain destination
- Crew Layover and rotation
- arrival time of feeder Flights that contribute greatly to this flight.
- Rotation plan of the aircraft involved

Many airlines try to overcome this costly situation by flying fifth freedom traffic. But this is of course dependant on getting the traffic rights and having enough business to justify the flight as the revenue should be higher than the cost involved.

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RE: Parking Planes For Many Hours

Wed Jun 14, 2000 7:41 pm

I always thought it was to rest the plane after a long flight, and do any maintenance before the return trip.
 
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RE: Parking Planes For Many Hours

Wed Jun 14, 2000 7:59 pm

Is 6.5 hrs flight considered long-haul?? If so, at my home airport IL-62s and A-310s from Moscow used to get only 1.5-2 hrs before return journey.
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Wed Jun 14, 2000 11:28 pm


Thanks for the info folks !!

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RE: Parking Planes For Many Hours

Wed Jun 14, 2000 11:47 pm

No, no maintenaces. A maintenance is not made every eight to twelve hours of flight. Neither it does obbey to crews rest, because on long haul flights there are two at least. It can be scheduling or convenience of the company. It is true that some companies prefer to fly intercontinentals by night (VP fly GRU-SSA-BCN return BCN-SSA-GRU by night), so the MD11 (used to) arrive to BCN by 2:00 pm and leave around 11:30 pm. On the opposite hand, DL old flight ATL-BCN used to arrive about 10:00 am after having flown by night, unboard passengers, refuel, board again and leave around 12.00 pm flying by day, arriving to Hartsfield about 5.00 pm. Very similar things are happening now with Delta and TWA between BCN and NYC (I think it is TW to JFK and DL to EWR, but I'm not sure) And they are leaving quite close. One day not too long ago, I saw them t/o one inmediately after the other.
The only maintenace these birds (should) have prior to fly back home, is the captain's visual inspection.

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