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BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:21 pm

Hi, Whilst on a visit to HKG on 9/3/06 Thursday I noticed that BA744 G-BNLT having a big external wash in the dark. The aircraft was the 1st of 3 BA744's to arrive in HKG that day, and I'm wondering if it is common for BA744's to be cleaned in HKG. Many thanks From Timetable.
 
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Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:24 pm

Not sure about 747s, but in the 60s when I was BOAC Cabin Crew, HKG washed our 707s.
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Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:56 pm

Have you never heard of Chinese laundry?

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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:10 pm

Ive also heard that the BA planes get deep cleaned in johannesburg during flights as the downtime is quite long between arriving and departing flights.
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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:28 pm

Quoting BY188B (Reply 4):
Ive also heard that the BA planes get deep cleaned in johannesburg during flights as the downtime is quite long between arriving and departing flights.

As do they in SYD.

I think washing the planes is a way to use time up while the planes are sitting on the ground.

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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:29 pm

BA and VS are big users of the washing facility at JNB. A ground time of 10-12 hours and in daylight would make the job easier than HKG!
 
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Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:33 pm

A number of foreign carriers have their planes washed by HAECO in HKG. Beside BA, I know LX is another customer. Some airliners have a longer downtime at HKG than back home at base.

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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:50 pm

When the plane is on the ground it is not earning any revenue for the airline, so the simple explanation is that if there is a long turn-round (which is often the case for BA at 'far' destinations like HKG, SYD or JNB, as if the planes left earlier they would arrive back at LHR when it is closed), it is economic sense to give them a good wash over.
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Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:17 pm

What better to do than taking a good shower when you have 6 hours on the ground in Hong Kong?  cloudnine 
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Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:25 pm

Also, don't forget there's a hosepipe ban in London at the moment!  Wink
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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:28 pm

I'm sure CO does the same on it's 16 hour HKG sit time..
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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:52 pm

Quoting LeonB1985 (Reply 10):
hosepipe

?? I presume that what we Yanks would call a garden hose??
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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:07 pm

Yes.

Alternatively, BA could base all 744s at MAN. Plenty of water up here Big grin
 
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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:38 pm

Indeed there are 3 remote stands on the apron designated as washing bays - one each on the north, south and west aprons.

If you zoom to VHHH on Google Earth you can spot them easily as the concrete is darker along those bays because of the dirty water running off the aircraft.
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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:08 am

Few questions:
How long does it actually take to wash a B744?
Any special fluid used?
Is it expensive?
How many times are they washed (just when necessary?)?

Thanks!

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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:18 am

Does QF wash their 744's @ LAX that are parked there all day?
 
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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:19 am

Well, it takes about 3.5 hours for a 747, you're looking at about US$ 2500 per wash.

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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:25 am

Quoting Airways (Reply 17):
Well, it takes about 3.5 hours for a 747, you're looking at about US$ 2500 per wash.

Does that include a coat of Turtle Wax and some new car smell sprayed under the floormats??
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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:32 am

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 18):
Does that include a coat of Turtle Wax and some new car smell sprayed under the floormats??

no but you do get a complimentary pine tree air freshener for the rear view mirror in lavender.
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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:32 am

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 18):
Does that include a coat of Turtle Wax and some new car smell sprayed under the floormats??

Perhaps a football air freshener to hang in the cockpit?  Smile

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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 19):
no but you do get a complimentary pine tree air freshener for the rear view mirror in lavender.

I heard that last time they had a plane cleaned someone nicked the furry dice hanging from the auto-pilot...

Incidentally, is all the external cleaning achieved by means of a high powered spray, or is there any hands-on scrubbing done?
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Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:19 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 21):
I heard that last time they had a plane cleaned someone nicked the furry dice hanging from the auto-pilot...

Wow ! Better watch those radios. Do they come with removable front plates lol

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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:30 am

Quoting RobTrent (Reply 22):
Do they come with removable front plates lol

Not sure if they do. You'd probably have to rip the dash out to get at them. My inside sources have told me that BA is upset at the washrack ppl @ HKG due to reports of a missing Oasis CD and about 6 quid in change missing from the cockpit.

The plane washers at HKG then just pointed BA management to the sign that says "Car wash not responsible for missing/stolen items or damage done"
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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:42 am

I pay $7 US for a Passat. Inside and outside with shampoo and wax.

How much for a B747?

Do the pilot has to tip for the wash?
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Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:46 am

Do you Think AF could get a good deal there if BA pulls out. AF livery benefits from a good wash  Smile

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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:47 am

Brings a whole new meaning to the word "Jet Wash"

Sorry  Smile

Where do they wash their UK aircraft (like the 737, A32X etc...)? LHR, never seen it being done at MAN (well at least during daylight)

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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:23 am

Is the carpet vacuuming free with the wash? If not how many rolls of quarters do pilots carry with them for the vacuum?

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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:27 am

Quoting BY188B (Reply 4):
Ive also heard that the BA planes get deep cleaned in johannesburg during flights as the downtime is quite long between arriving and departing flights.

So what you are saying is that, Air France doesn't fly to Johannesburg? :P

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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 26):
Where do they wash their UK aircraft (like the 737, A32X etc...)? LHR, never seen it being done at MAN (well at least during daylight)

I've seen it done near the BA hangars at LHR (not far from Hatton Cross and the Eastchurch Road(?) crossing).
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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:00 am

FYI,

As a footnote, CX also have their 747's washed over at the BMI hangar.
I believe Fernleys have the contract.

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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:09 am

On a more serious note, what are the processes to clean an AA plane? I've heard it's quite time/energy intensive. I know that some AA 767/777's stay all day long in South America such as SCL and EZE. Do they get a wash down there? What about buffing? How are they so SHINEY!?!?!?!

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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:09 am

Quoting RobTrent (Reply 25):
Do you Think AF could get a good deal there if BA pulls out.

It would be triple the rate for them!  Big grin
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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:51 am

Quoting Anthsaun (Reply 24):
I pay $7 US for a Passat. Inside and outside with shampoo and wax.

Is that honestly how much it costs in Mexico?!? It would be closer to 20 or 30 times that amount up here in CT!
 
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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 21):
Incidentally, is all the external cleaning achieved by means of a high powered spray, or is there any hands-on scrubbing done?

From what I've seen with LH, they are cleaned during maintenance, mostly with long brooms and hands-on scrubbing, less with high-powered spray utilities
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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:01 am

Quoting Willyj (Reply 33):
Is that honestly how much it costs in Mexico?!? It would be closer to 20 or 30 times that amount up here in CT!

That would, uh, be between $140 and $210. I think I'd resort to the bucket of water and dish soap at that price.

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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:11 am

Quoting BCAL (Reply 8):
it is economic sense to give them a good wash over.

Surely its better economic sense to do as *little* as possible to the aircraft during downtime, as then you arent paying for anything to be done?  Wink
 
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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:32 am

I think AF and a few other just try and fly through as many clouds as possible to try and "wash" their aircraft - at least that would explain everything.

I never thought of cleaning them during MX, mind you MAN is usually wet and windy so they get a natural shower and blow dry.

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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:27 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 36):
Surely its better economic sense to do as *little* as possible to the aircraft during downtime, as then you arent paying for anything to be done?

Well look at the flip side of the coin. Eventually the plane is going to need to be cleaned anyway. It makes less economical sense to ground an aircraft just for cleaning, when you can make use of some already-scheduled ground time...

I wonder if they check the dip stick and tire pressure while they're at it  Wink
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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:41 am

I surely hope the pax remember to roll up the windows before Bertha gets bathed. Although-with econimics today in the industry, a "two fer" would be welcomed-roll down the windows, open the doors and let 'er ride! Take er up for a spin dry at 39K-we all know how dry it is up there...and at about 600 mph....well, now thats a real wash and blow.....

IMO-economics 101....

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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:48 am

Quoting Meister808 (Reply 35):

That would, uh, be between $140 and $210. I think I'd resort to the bucket of water and dish soap at that price.

I know this is an aviation forum but please don't ever use dish soap on a car.... it's a pretty fast way to strip off auto finishes.
 
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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 10:05 am

While I have not washed a 747, I have washed my share of aircraft. I work for a company in SAN that washes ROns for a few different airlines now. We used buckets, power sprayers and spnges on the tips of extending poles, and a lift to get to the top of the a/c.

Quoting N484er (Reply 15):
How long does it actually take to wash a B744?
Any special fluid used?
Is it expensive?
How many times are they washed (just when necessary?)?

When we wash the AS RONs at SAN we use deionized water to prevent spotting, and soap. It does the trick. Is it expensive.....yes....very.

Quoting Airways (Reply 17):
Well, it takes about 3.5 hours for a 747, you're looking at about US$ 2500 per wash.

It takes us 2.5hrs to do a full wet on an MD-80, and around 2 to do a 734, and the guys I worked with who used to do UA 757s said they would take 4-5hrs, so I would imagine a 747 would take upwards of 5-6hrs. (At least the way we do it.) As for the cost, I dont know but I do know that a 734 is right around $2000 so you are probably looking at double that for a 747.

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 26):
Brings a whole new meaning to the word "Jet Wash"

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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:44 pm

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 40):
I know this is an aviation forum but please don't ever use dish soap on a car.... it's a pretty fast way to strip off auto finishes.

Actually dish soap is good to use if you wax your car, as this removes wax and leaves a clean clearcoat ready for a new coat of wax.

But to stay on topic, I once saw a TV show (many, many years ago) in which a P5 MD-80 being washed with both a pressure hose and a brush.

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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:54 pm

Quoting RobTrent (Reply 25):
AF livery benefits from a good wash

Enter Smelly French joke here.  scratchchin 
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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:02 pm

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 26):
Where do they wash their UK aircraft (like the 737, A32X etc...)? LHR, never seen it being done at MAN (well at least during daylight)

The Cleaners do a good job for BA Connect at LCY....

STN/Inflite MX has a good facility.

NWI/CBG/SEN are renowned for this service.


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RE: BA744's Being Washed In HKG!

Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:08 pm

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 38):
I wonder if they check the dip stick and tire pressure while they're at it



Quoting FutureUALpilot (Reply 41):
a 734 is right around $2000 so you are probably looking at double that for a 747.

IFEMaster, at that price I'd want the works PLUS a 20,000km "bird poop" guarantee for a free rewash!  cheeky 

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