StarGoldLHR
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Stopovers And Extra Flights

Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:27 am

if I had a round trip ticket with a stop over (for a few days)
e.g. LHR-NYC-SFO

Is there any rule against me buying an additional ticket from NYC-MIA-NYC before continuing my onward ticket to SFO ?

or vice versa LHR-SFO-NYC-LHR with a separate round trip ticket to /from NYC-MIA ?
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ANother
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RE: Stopovers And Extra Flights

Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:35 am

Have you asked for a quote for a ticket LHR-NYC-MIA-SFO-LHR with stopovers at NYC & MIA? AA could do the entire journey - or BA/AA together?
 
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RE: Stopovers And Extra Flights

Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:18 am

Quoting ANother (Reply 1):
Have you asked for a quote for a ticket LHR-NYC-MIA-SFO-LHR

I wouldn't do that if you're hoping for a cheap ticket. First of all, cheap tickets usually only permit one stop over on the outbound or inbound sector or, if you're really lucky, a maximum of two stop overs, normally one in each direction. Even if more stop overs are permitted, it's usually at an additional charge per stop or at a much higher ticket price.

You have two options. Either you buy an open-jaw ticket LHR-NYC and then SFO-LHR or a LHR-SFO-LHR via NYC on the outbound, if it's not too expensive, and purchase separate tickets for the remaining domestic sectors. Alternatively, you could try getting an airpass for the domestic sectors. But that would need to be purchased before you arrive in the States and would only be valid in combination with an international ticket.


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RE: Stopovers And Extra Flights

Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:24 am

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Thread starter):
if I had a round trip ticket with a stop over (for a few days)
e.g. LHR-NYC-SFO

Is there any rule against me buying an additional ticket from NYC-MIA-NYC before continuing my onward ticket to SFO ?

Well of course not.

It may be cheaper to buy a ticket that includes the side trip to Miami, but it is not required. New York to Florida tickets are generally among the lowest priced itineraries in the U.S.
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klmflyer
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RE: Stopovers And Extra Flights

Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:54 am

I would opt for an open jaw ticket LHR/NYC-SFO/LHR or vv. LHR/SFO-NYC/LHR and add 2 one way tickets NYC/MIA + MIA SFO or vv.
This would be the cheapest and will add the advantage if less air travel/airport transfers (but maybe you will enjoy the extra flying, as I do when I travel).
 
StarGoldLHR
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RE: Stopovers And Extra Flights

Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:55 am

This is what I was thinking..

basically, I can book 6 flights on 1 itiniery, but then it's different airlines, paper ticket, and pain in the XXXX to change..
or just a std return ticket with a stop over, and a second return ticket from the stopover to another destination, and back inorder to continue the journey.

Ive done it loads in the past with US based airlines, but generally there more flexible... in this case I quoted NYC/Miami/SFO as an example, I would be doing this actually in Asia, but wanted to check if there's some weird rule about it.

I remember years ago that buying two returns from A-B and B-A whilst either canning one portion, or using them later, was supposededly a big No - No and was not allowed by airlines for whatever reason. (as two returns were often cheaper than 1 return depending on flying dates it made doing this attractive)

hence my wanting to check first.
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ANother
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RE: Stopovers And Extra Flights

Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:20 pm

Two things that you need to think of;

Don't expect airlines to check your bags through - if you are travelling on separate tickets. Some might, but more and more won't. Two tickets, two contracts. For the same reason, if you misconnect, you are on your own.

Re not using your coupons in sequence, or completely you should read the airlines conditions of carriage on this. As you point out the airlines have prices for just about every type of journey you might want to take. While I agree with you that airline pricing appears to be illogical that isn't valid justification for a customer to attempt to receive one 'product' for the price of another. This really is no different than switching price tags in a shop and hoping to 'get away with it' at the cashier.
 
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RE: Stopovers And Extra Flights

Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:22 pm

that buying two returns thing is called a back to back ticket and it is a big no-no, if the airline catches you they will cancel both itineraries and debit the travel agency that issued it big time. basically, back when the airlines required a saturday night stay for their cheapest fares, people who basically wanted to make a two day round trip, such as business travelers, and who didn't want to have to pay a thousand bucks for their ticket, would simply buy, for instance, one round trip JFK-SFO for Monday to Sunday and a second round trip SFO-JFK for tuesday to the following monday, for say 200 dollars each, then they'd get on the plane on monday, basically throw away the return, do their business, and get on the "return" on tuesday, again throwing away the return portion of that ticket and thus they got 1000 dollars worth of air travel for 400 dollars, as long as their plans didn't change. if you're on a back to back ticket and you suddenly find that your boss wants you to stay until wednesday, and you try and change that ticket you're supposed to travel on on tuesday, you're changing your outbound and that entire ticket gets prepriced, talk about expensive! in my line of work i've dealt with exactly that scenario and it's not comfortable from my point of view to have to explain that that ticket they thought of as their "return" was considered to be the outbound by the airline and thus was considered unchageable. and they will argue all day long that the second ticket is their return and why can't it be changed for just the change fee? all i can do is explain that as far as their airline is concerned that second ticket is their outbound and when you change the outbound on a nonrefundable ticket, the entire ticket is repriced to today's rate, and furthermore, most airlines won't allow you to apply a nonrefundable ticket towards a refundable one, so not only do you have a ticket you can't really use, but you have to pay 1500 dollars for the ticket you need to get home.

long story short, don't try to do a back to back, you won't get away with it.

as for the whole stopover thing, my suggestion would be, if you have a ticket from LHR-JFK-SFO with a stopover, and you decide once you're in new york, you want to go to miami, do it as a separate ticket, because if you do it on the same ticket, it's going to be considered a routing change and the rest of your ticket will be repriced.
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StarGoldLHR
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RE: Stopovers And Extra Flights

Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:02 pm

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 7):
as for the whole stopover thing, my suggestion would be, if you have a ticket from LHR-JFK-SFO with a stopover, and you decide once you're in new york, you want to go to miami, do it as a separate ticket, because if you do it on the same ticket, it's going to be considered a routing change and the rest of your ticket will be repriced.

Cool. I'll take this as sold  Smile
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