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VS SYD Operations

Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:29 am

How is VS's operations to SYD doing. I heard a while back the loads were really poor from LHR-SYD route due to HKG passengers. Is there a chance of this route being dropped or being upgraded to another equipment?
 
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RE: VS SYD Operations

Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:39 am

I think the loads are not as poor as they used to be on HKG-SYD and financially I think the flights are doing ok (according to Steve Ridgway CEO of VS). They are not doing amazingly well, which is perhaps why VS is looking to increase LHR-HKG to double daily later this year. This should help the LHR-HKG-SYD flight.
 
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RE: VS SYD Operations

Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:00 am

It was only one flight, on one day, so is arguably statistically meaningless, but J was full on HKG-SYD on 17th Feb when I was on it (as it was on the LHR-HKG leg too obviously)
 
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RE: VS SYD Operations

Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:34 am

Selfish I know but I hope they are still quiet as I hope to fly them in ten days from HKG-SYD (non-rev). Checked CX today and ALL 3 of their flights HKG/SYD are completely full the day I want to travel.
 
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RE: VS SYD Operations

Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:39 am

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 1):
They are not doing amazingly well, which is perhaps why VS is looking to increase LHR-HKG to double daily later this year. This should help the LHR-HKG-SYD flight.

Should be interesting if they do that what with NZ flying LHR-HKG-AKL in october...although VS and NZ have traditionally got on well great and have a codeshare agreement..
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RE: VS SYD Operations

Fri Apr 21, 2006 10:51 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 4):
Should be interesting if they do that what with NZ flying LHR-HKG-AKL in october...although VS and NZ have traditionally got on well great and have a codeshare agreement..

I think ANZ will focus more on the AKL-LHR crowd more than the HKG-LHR crowd more. But it should be intresting.
 
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RE: VS SYD Operations

Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:13 pm

What routes do the two code-share on? News to me!
 
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RE: VS SYD Operations

Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:50 pm

My daughter has just come to Hong Kong from Sydney with her husband on Virgin Atlantic, so I asked her about passenger loads. Her comment was that the economy section was "almost full".

A little off topic, but she also commented it was one of the most cramped flying experiences she had ever had, that the toilets were filthy even right after take-off, that the toilets were never cleaned during the flight, that the cabin staff were hardly seen during the flight to offer water, and that when wine was served it was done in plastic cups.

Apparently, an experience to remember for all the wrong reasons!
 
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RE: VS SYD Operations

Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:12 pm

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 7):
and that when wine was served it was done in plastic cups.

Not un common at all in many airlines economy cabins.
 
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RE: VS SYD Operations

Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:40 pm

maybe VS might consider operating to MEL, now that BA no longer operates there.
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RE: VS SYD Operations

Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:44 pm

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 7):
and that when wine was served it was done in plastic cups.

When I used to work for SN, this was the cas on all flights in Y. Never heared anyone complaine.

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RE: VS SYD Operations

Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:24 pm

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 7):
A little off topic, but she also commented it was one of the most cramped flying experiences she had ever had

She probably flew on one of their earlier A346s - the configuration is such on those aircraft that some seats in Y have 29" seat pitch...ouch! Very poor I think.
The newer A346 in VS' fleet have been reconfigured and all seats in Y have 31". Those A346s with 29" are going to be reconfigured too with 31" and should be complete by October this year.
 
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RE: VS SYD Operations

Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:23 pm

It took VS 4 years to break even on Shanghai-London route. They would have enough patience to make SYD profitable.
 
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RE: VS SYD Operations

Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:37 pm

Referring to load factors (instead of yields and profit), Virgin Atlantic has been doing quite well in improving their loads.

Loads into Australia / Loads out of Australia:

January 2005
34.6% / 39.5%

February 2005
41.4% / 39.4%

March 2005
35.1% / 34.2%

April 2005:
33.4% / 39.8%

May 2005:
21.6% / 27.5%

June 2005:
45.2% / 54.4%

July 2005:
82.5%  bigthumbsup  / 58.2%

August 2005:
58.9% / 76.3%

September 2005:
43.4% / 40.7%

October 2005:
55.8% / 49.1%

November 2005:
49.9% / 60.9%

December 2005:
67.0% / 75.9%

OK, so they've gone some way to improving it.

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RE: VS SYD Operations

Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:47 pm

29'' Seat Pitch?!?! That should be illegal! Give me Y+ any time...
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RE: VS SYD Operations

Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:58 pm

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 7):
A little off topic, but she also commented it was one of the most cramped flying experiences she had ever had, that the toilets were filthy even right after take-off, that the toilets were never cleaned during the flight, that the cabin staff were hardly seen during the flight to offer water, and that when wine was served it was done in plastic cups.

one of the worst flights I ever had was flying VS LHR-HKG-LHR in Y. The seats were attrocious. It was so uncomfortable I seriously considered changing airline for the return leg!...Never again! There cabin in Y is fine if your no more than 5ft!
 
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RE: VS SYD Operations

Fri Apr 21, 2006 10:06 pm

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 7):
A little off topic, but she also commented it was one of the most cramped flying experiences she had ever had, that the toilets were filthy even right after take-off, that the toilets were never cleaned during the flight, that the cabin staff were hardly seen during the flight to offer water, and that when wine was served it was done in plastic cups.

I just did HKG-LHR on VS and you do get a plastic cup with your drinks service but you do get a glass with your meal tray for your drink. During the flight from HKG-LHR there were infact 3 drinks service but you can always go to the galley and help yourself as VS put out the snacks and drinks in the galley during the night flight.

I am surprised that the toilet could be filthy after take off at SYD, maybe the cleaning contractor missed a toilet during the turn around. I was once stopped for using the toilet so the cabin crew can clean before I can use it.
 
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RE: VS SYD Operations

Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:14 am

Quoting Bakestar (Reply 9):

QF already routed their HKG-LHR flight from SYD to MEL so it's now MEL- HKG-LHR.