|Quoting Airevents (Reply 4):|
United has not, like Delta or Continental, expanded a lot internationally, maybe this would also boost their business, opening a couple of longhaul routes instead of some money-loosing domestic sectors. Moscow, if possible, would for sure be a cash cow for them.
|Quoting FA4UA (Reply 7):|
just because there's a sales office in the city doesn't mean we'll be flying there in the near term...
|Quoting Ba757gla (Reply 14):|
is there a market for us - russia traffic
|Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 13):|
Levg direct contact with the costomer and the product,
|Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 17):|
on airline like UA their prices are lower than on a codeshare like LH
|Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 17):|
By having a customer representative center they are giving you the best deal for the airline you prefer instead of pressuring you to take a codeshare partner.
|Quoting Levg79 (Reply 20):|
Yeah, but that means they'd have to advertise heavily in Russia. Because what I think is that aside from 9/11, most people in Russia haven't heard much about UA so they're not likely to call UA when shopping for tickets.
|Quoting OlegShv (Reply 21):|
Well, Same argument could be applied to DL or most non-Russian based airlines. There were that many people who new DL in Russia. I remember times in the 1990s when DL was running TV ads in Moscow.
|Quoting Mymiles2go (Reply 26):|
Not to deflate everyone's route ballons - but quite simply - United doesn't have the aircraft to do the route short of dropping something else.
|Quoting Hoya (Reply 6):|
With UA's long-haul aircraft shortage, opening a new route would mean cutting another international frequency.
|Quoting RwSEA (Reply 28):|
DL seems to do well with their twice daily flights (and service from both DL gateways - ATL and JFK).
I think UA could be successful on the route, flying IAD-SVO.
|Quoting Levg79 (Reply 22):|
Yeah, but DL operated to Russia already, UA does not and doesn't have any plans either.
|Quoting SFO2SVO (Reply 24):|
Also, could this be something cargo-related?
|Quoting Greenjet (Reply 29):|
Very true. Air Zimbabwe, China Southern, El Al, JAL, Korean, Malaysia Airlines, Qantas and United all have offices in Dublin but none fly to Ireland.
|Quoting Established02 (Reply 31):|
Perhaps UA still has some long haul aircraft available on a desert parking lot.
|Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 27):|
Or UA could tighten down the routing on the widebody fleet, i.e. not fly as many domestic widebody flights. UA has some room to wiggle with the widebody fleet, but the biggest loser for UA here would be domestic freight lift between hub/gateways with the tighten up. If U.S. to MOW were to happen on UA (and I'd call it an outside chance at best...) IAD-SVO would be the obvious choice. SU only serves it once a week with a stop-over at JFK each way. UA has much better facilities at IAD for the compacted European arrivals than ORD.
|Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 34):|
I would expect ORD-SVO over IAD-SVO (if any service), but we shall see. Both could be successful, but I see stronger O&D out of Chicago, in addition to the same connection potential (pretty much, JFK and DL , combined with ATL and DL eat up connection potential on the east coast)
|Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 36):|
btw Aeroflot777, do you know why SU hasn't restarted ORD? Is it because of not enough 767s?
|Quoting TANS (Reply 38):|
Levg79, let me try to explain why United would open a sales office and customer service center in Moscow.
Firstly, many Russians (and especially Muscovites) have seen their living standards increase greatly in the last few years. Obviously, there are many businessmen that travel, but the number of people looking for relaxation has also increased greatly.
If you have a sales office in the city, you can contact (and convince) travel agencies directly to offer your flights to these people. They usually won’t have a clue (and won’t care) what they are flying with. Therefore, if some good PR is done, a few free flights given to the travel agencies managers and other goodies thrown in, the travel agencies will convince their customers that UA is the best choice, even if it means a stop-over somewhere.
Yes, I know the travel agency should look for the best deal, but that is a utopist idea, especially in Russia.
Added to that, if your flights are cheaper or similarly priced as the competition you can lure in even more customers that will fly UA solely for that reason. Apart from this, presentation events can be organized, parties thrown, sponsorships given out to strengthen brand awareness and subsequent choice.
It doesn’t really matter if you don’t fly to the city, but as long as you can make people develop a bond to your airline or cleverly coerce them into flying you, the money invested will pay off.
To give an example, JAL has an office in Lima, Peru. They’ve never flown there and probably never will. But the Japanese community in the country is so large, that it’s worth it for them to spend the money on the office and convince the customers to change planes and company once they get to the States (most connections from Peru to Japan are made through there).
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