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EI To Introduce Fuel Surcharge.

Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:31 pm

Gday Folks ..

EI are introducing an EUR35.00 per sector (USD40.00) fuel surcharge on long-haul flights to the US and DXB for tickets purchased on or after May 15th 2006.

What really bugs me though, is the fact that they are charging the staff the same rate as revenue pax for the fuel surchage. (Nearly doubling the price of staff tickets)  irked  headache 

Does anyone have any thoughts on this??

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RE: EI To Introduce Fuel Surcharge.

Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:39 pm

I think it's reasonable. After all, a lot of the major airlines are doing the same thing. It's transparent way of not raising ticket prices. If fuel goes down, the surcharges disappear - at least that is what QF did, until the prices went sky high again.

Quoting Eikiwi (Thread starter):
What really bugs me though, is the fact that they are charging the staff the same rate as revenue pax for the fuel surchage. (Nearly doubling the price of staff tickets)

You can't be serious. 70 Euro to fly one way Internationally? Thousands of people would be envious of that. I don't see why you'd be so annoyed.

Certainly better than Aer Lingus making a loss or going out of business because of high fuel costs, don't you think?
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RE: EI To Introduce Fuel Surcharge.

Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:53 am

Gday ..

In itself, the fuel surcharges are an acceptable idea, hefty and all as they may be, as long as they are only temporary, according to the price of fuel. I cannot, however see them being reduced in the short to medium term.

I can appreciate that any member of the public would find my point of view unacceptable, as I probably would if I were one. It's just that cheap standby tickets as airline staff are a major perk of 99% of airlines out there, and it grates a bit that there is such a percentage increase.

I know for a fact that some airline staff wouldn't work in an airline without the cheap travel that goes with it.

You are right when you say that an increase is better than going out of business, but just for example, as a rough estimate, try it out ....

3500 permanent staff with concessions
x2 because you usually take someone else when you travel,
x3 longhaul trips a year, (being optimistic)
xEUR70.00 surcharge for a roundtrip.

You are talking about, at very close to the maximum, I would think, an extra EUR1.47million. For the sake of staff goodwill, because believe me, it doesn't take much to lose it, out of company profits, that is not a large amount.

Don't get me wrong, I would be happy to pay some sort of fuel surcharge, as I think it's only fair, but considering that its a standby ticket, and some of the risks that go with it, I think the amount (or % increase for the staff side), is a bit much.

I know that I'll get people left right and centre telling me I'm wrong on this, but its just IMHO.

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RE: EI To Introduce Fuel Surcharge.

Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:13 am

I was wondering when this was going to happen.... In fairness to EI though their fares across the Atlantic and to Dubai are very reasonable at the moment so you can see why they couldn't manage the increasing cost of fuel.

However, will the fares also rise with this extra fuel charge and will the fuel surcharge disappear when the fuel goes back down?

Can't wait to see the Ryanair reaction to this!

Quoting Eikiwi (Reply 2):
I can appreciate that any member of the public would find my point of view unacceptable, as I probably would if I were one.

I agree with you there mate!
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RE: EI To Introduce Fuel Surcharge.

Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:17 am

When is the surcharge going to be introduced? Its not on their website today if you were to book a US flight.
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RE: EI To Introduce Fuel Surcharge.

Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:26 am

I didn't have to wait long!!

AER LINGUS FUEL SURCHARGE IS A €42M RIP-OFF SAYS RYANAIR

Ryanair - the only European airline to guarantee no fuel surcharges today, tomorrow or ever – today called on Aer Lingus to reverse its planned surcharge of €35 on long-haul flights from 15th May next.

Aer Lingus today claims that it cannot absorb these fuel price increases. This claim is patently dishonest when Aer Lingus are absorbing these fuel price increases on its short-haul business, which accounts for over 80% of Aer Lingus’s traffic. The travelling public must wonder why Aer Lingus is willing to absorb these higher fuel costs in the case of 80% of its passengers who fly short-haul, but decides to introduce an unjustified €35 fuel surcharge to fleece the 1.2m passengers flying long-haul for an extra €42m a year.

The reason why Aer Lingus can’t introduce fuel surcharges on its UK and European routes is because Ryanair guarantees no fuel surcharges. Aer Lingus has far less competition on long-haul routes, so it has decided instead to further gouge those same passengers who are already paying Aer Lingus’s highest air fares. This is clearly unjustified, when at the very same time Aer Lingus is absorbing higher oil prices in the case of short-haul tickets.

Highlighting this latest Aer Lingus rip-off, Ryanair’s Chief Executive, Michael O’Leary said:

“These fuel surcharges are just the latest €42m rip off from Aer Lingus. They claim that they can’t absorb these higher oil prices, yet they are absorbing them in the case of the 5.8 million of their passengers who are flying short-haul. Aer Lingus’s long-haul passengers are already paying their highest air fares, so there is no justification for adding €42m in extra fuel surcharges on these long-haul passengers either.

“Today’s latest rip-off from Aer Lingus confirms yet again that they only way Irish consumers can be sure of not paying fuel surcharges is to book Ryanair today, tomorrow and forever, because only Ryanair guarantees that there will be no fuel surcharges today, tomorrow or ever.”


Anyone else think that MOL is an idiot?! "The only way that Irish consumers can be sure of not paying fuel surcharges is to book Ryanair"? Didn't know Ryanair fly to New York, Boston, Dubai etc!!! The reason Aer Lingus aren't introducing the fuel surcharge on the European routes is, like Ryanair, they will incease the fares and will reduce the number of cheap fares available on each flight.
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RE: EI To Introduce Fuel Surcharge.

Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:18 am

Quoting Shamrocka330 (Reply 5):
Anyone else think that MOL is an idiot?!

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RE: EI To Introduce Fuel Surcharge.

Sat Apr 22, 2006 9:17 am

Quoting Eikiwi (Thread starter):
What really bugs me though, is the fact that they are charging the staff the same rate as revenue pax for the fuel surchage. (Nearly doubling the price of staff tickets)

Aren't to being just a little bit ridiculous??? It's what it says....a FUEL SURCHARGE! Does an aircraft, EI or otherwise, carrying a staff member use less fuel than one without?
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RE: EI To Introduce Fuel Surcharge.

Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:50 pm

Firstly I have a question, do the American carriers flying to Ireland (AA, US, CO, DL) have fuel surcharges because if so then Michael O Leary's statement of EI only putting a charge on long haul due to a lack of competeition doesnt really hold does it?

As for staff having to pay the same as joe public, tough. Dont get me wrong EI staff have had a very hard time in recent years and in no way do i begrudge them cheap tickets (though I didnt think they were THAT cheap). But their ass on that seat costs the same amount of fuel as mine so they should pay the same IMHO
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RE: EI To Introduce Fuel Surcharge.

Sat Apr 22, 2006 8:11 pm

Quoting Shamrocka330 (Reply 5):
Aer Lingus's long-haul passengers are already paying their highest air fares,

Is MOL saying that Aer Lingus fares are already high on long-haul? My last long-haul flights with EI have all been between €100 and €300, that is not expensive! I would love to see Ryanair go long-haul and to see them find out that's it's not as easy as Aer Lingus makes it look! I will fly Aer Lingus again and again and again even with the surcharge.
 
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RE: EI To Introduce Fuel Surcharge.

Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:08 pm

Quoting Eikiwi (Thread starter):
What really bugs me though, is the fact that they are charging the staff the same rate as revenue pax for the fuel surchage. (Nearly doubling the price of staff tickets)

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