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B6 To Launch BOS-CLT/RDU?

Sun Apr 23, 2006 12:25 am

I'm confused about this. Last week B6 announced 4 daily flights between both JFK-CLT and JFK-RDU. However, as B6 has been expanding BOS and will have 11 gates there in the near future, I don't understand why BOS-CLT/RDU wasn't announced too.

Any speculation?

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RE: B6 To Launch BOS-CLT/RDU?

Sun Apr 23, 2006 12:53 am

If they really wanted to get into it, they would have a few from EWR to really shake things up!
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RE: B6 To Launch BOS-CLT/RDU?

Sun Apr 23, 2006 12:59 am

I would say they probably want to do slow growth right now.. if things look good after a few months or so.. I would gander that a probable BOS/FLL-CLT/RDU could pop up on the reservation screen.. but that is just a guess on my part.. .
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RE: B6 To Launch BOS-CLT/RDU?

Sun Apr 23, 2006 1:23 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2):
I would say they probably want to do slow growth right now.. if things look good after a few months or so.. I would gander that a probable BOS/FLL-CLT/RDU could pop up on the reservation screen.. but that is just a guess on my part.. .

I think that is a pretty good guess. They have been growing very swiftly and it is starting to hurt them financially. So yes, they might want to slow things down and add those routes when the time is right. They just posted a loss, though marginal at 66 mill considering what other airlines are losing, but again it would be wise to focus on trying to avoid higher costs and save any drastic expansion for later... For now, I can see them adding service on existing routes where needed...
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RE: B6 To Launch BOS-CLT/RDU?

Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:45 am

They have been expanding at a very quick pace in the past year or so, have suffered financially due to start-up costs incurred with new service and the E190's, and as a result, are trying to apply the brakes a bit. Maybe most smaller cities aren't in their plans from BOS, or maybe they'll come with success on the JFK routes. B6 needs to (and is, to their credit) amend their fare structure to better suit the yields they need to be profitable, and not add new service to and from every city they plan on serving. I see the airline amending their frequencies on currently served routes before others are launched, too. Some frequency reductions and increases are well needed at some stations.
I feel that BOS-RDU will come in time, but BOS-CLT would spark one hell of a bloodbath with US. The story was different at PIT- US doesn't care nearly as much about PIT as they do CLT, their largest hub- and they will do anything to protect it from 'foreigners' like WN and B6.
 
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RE: B6 To Launch BOS-CLT/RDU?

Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:57 am

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 4):
and not add new service to and from every city they plan on serving.

I would like to add to this. I think a good strategy for B6 with the new cities they are introducing is to actually look at the individual city and see what profitable unserved routes remain.. and then move that route.. I could see flights to their hub, but perhaps it is time to stop going head-to-head with everybody.. and open unserved routes..

just a thought..
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RE: B6 To Launch BOS-CLT/RDU?

Sun Apr 23, 2006 6:11 am

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 4):
The story was different at PIT- US doesn't care nearly as much about PIT as they do CLT, their largest hub- and they will do anything to protect it from 'foreigners' like WN and B6.

PIT is certainly wide open to the LCC market now with the reduction of US there. If there would be any massive expansion at PIT it would definitely be an LCC that would do such I would imagine. CLT, however, is pleading for additional LCC service despite the large presence of US there. But yes, those LCCs are looking at this and thinking, US: Big fish in the pond, high costs, no way..."

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 5):
I would like to add to this. I think a good strategy for B6 with the new cities they are introducing is to actually look at the individual city and see what profitable unserved routes remain.. and then move that route.. I could see flights to their hub, but perhaps it is time to stop going head-to-head with everybody.. and open unserved routes..

just a thought..

I was about to add that they could say which ones would be profitable, but you already stated that in this post.  grumpy 
That is a good point though; they should take up the routes that would be profitable for them and also guarentee them the highest loads without competing against other carriers for the pax...
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RE: B6 To Launch BOS-CLT/RDU?

Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:02 am

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 4):
They have been expanding at a very quick pace in the past year or so, have suffered financially due to start-up costs incurred with new service and the E190's, and as a result, are trying to apply the brakes a bit. Maybe most smaller cities aren't in their plans from BOS, or maybe they'll come with success on the JFK routes. B6 needs to (and is, to their credit) amend their fare structure to better suit the yields they need to be profitable, and not add new service to and from every city they plan on serving. I see the airline amending their frequencies on currently served routes before others are launched, too. Some frequency reductions and increases are well needed at some stations.
I feel that BOS-RDU will come in time, but BOS-CLT would spark one hell of a bloodbath with US. The story was different at PIT- US doesn't care nearly as much about PIT as they do CLT, their largest hub- and they will do anything to protect it from 'foreigners' like WN and B6.

I agree with this.

It is sad that US doesn't care about PIT as it once did. I hope other carriers do end up taking over PIT. If US doesn't care more in the future PIT will be taken away from them.

According to www.americawest.com PIT is down to 174 daily flights. As of April 20, 2006 I count 185 daily flights to 58 destinations. This is quite sad and I will not be over it for sometime.
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RE: B6 To Launch BOS-CLT/RDU?

Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:12 am

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 7):
This is quite sad and I will not be over it for sometime.

Don't worry about it. It happens. It has happened to some really good airports (RDU, CMH, BNA, GSO, STL, etc.. ). There just aren't enough airlines to go around. Although some places are reaping the benefits (MIA, ATL, NYC).. in reality.. the field is getting way to dominated by big carriers. There are no little men around. There is no diversity. There is no speciality. It's really a shame.

It's true that airlines today can get you wherever you want to go.. but I find it refreshing to have a lot of different ones rather than 8 large ones.. It's becoming the Wal-Mart of the airs.. too many big dogs and not enough pups..

Such a sad, sad state of the aviation industry..
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RE: B6 To Launch BOS-CLT/RDU?

Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:31 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8):
Such a sad, sad state of the aviation industry..

It truly is, I do hope it rebounds. I believe that the industry will, it almost has to because travelers are not going away. I plan to pursue my dream to become a commercial pilot. The tough times just aren't deterring me from the industry. I seem to be driven to become a pilot.
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RE: B6 To Launch BOS-CLT/RDU?

Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:51 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8):
It's true that airlines today can get you wherever you want to go.. but I find it refreshing to have a lot of different ones rather than 8 large ones.. It's becoming the Wal-Mart of the airs.. too many big dogs and not enough pups..

Monopolies never work. I am no fan of a monopoly, and I am seeing a trend here. Not just in the airline industry, but in general. Smaller companies compete against each other until they can no longer compete and remain profitable. Here, mergers are made or companies go out of business... Eventually the companies all merge into larger and larger companies until there is one or two carriers that dominate... The little guys just grow more powerless and the big guys get bigger... It is happening in the airline industry, in home improvement, in wireless phone service, all over. It sucks big time... Changing course to come back to the topic though... I think if there could be a significant number of startup airlines that are successful, then the competition can continue. It's called capitalism...

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 9):
It truly is, I do hope it rebounds. I believe that the industry will, it almost has to because travelers are not going away. I plan to pursue my dream to become a commercial pilot. The tough times just aren't deterring me from the industry. I seem to be driven to become a pilot.

I am optimistic about this as well; I am an optimistic person in general and like to look at the brighter side of things. I hope that you can pursue your dream at becomming a pilot. Reach for the stars... almost literally in this sense  Wink
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RE: B6 To Launch BOS-CLT/RDU?

Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:06 am

Gate space is likely to be an issue at CLT, and opening up a second city might necessitate a second gate and a move across the airport (to D). Having said that, though, US is basically unchallenged on CLT-BOS. Sure, the OH and MQ RJs haven't put a big dent in US on CLT-NYC, but there's even less competition to BOS.
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