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STL-Trans States Ordered To Keep COU For Now.

Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:41 pm

I heard a small blurb on NPR this morning that Trans States was ordered to keep flying to Columbia for the time being. If I remember correctly Trans States was planning to stop flying the Jetstreams sometime in June.

Does anyone know anythying about this? I have checked local new websites in St Louis and Columbia and have found nothing.

What is to come of the service to JLN and DEC? How long does the COU operation keep going?
 
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RE: STL-Trans States Ordered To Keep COU For Now.

Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:37 pm

Columbia is a fast growing city. I am surprised air service is not more in use there. The reincarnation of Ozark a few years back (nonstops to MDW and DFW) was about the strongest attempt to date. Flying over to STL to wait and change planes to MDW or DFW, doesn't make alot of sense if you can just drive to STL in 90-120 minutes and get on a nonstop.

I do believe though that if COU continues to grow, as it is now, more extensive air service is on the way. Had Ozark 2 been better funded and started today, instead of 5 years ago, they might have made it.
 
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RE: STL-Trans States Ordered To Keep COU For Now.

Sat Apr 29, 2006 7:25 pm

Quoting STLtower (Thread starter):
I heard a small blurb on NPR this morning that Trans States was ordered to keep flying to Columbia for the time being.

Yes, though that was never in doubt, as COU is eligible for EAS subsidy, and Trans States is the last remaining carrier serving the market.

Quoting STLtower (Thread starter):
What is to come of the service to JLN and DEC?

JLN is currently undergoing its bid process for the EAS contract there. Air Midwest and RegionsAir have both submitted applications. RegionsAir proposed 19 weekly STL-JLN roundtrips on the Jetstream 32, for a subsidy of $1,336,786. Air Midwest offered two proposals using the Beech 1900D: Option 1 proposed 18 weekly MCI-JLN roundtrips, for a subsidy of $849,757; Option 2 proposed 12 weekly DFW-JLN roundtrips and 6 weekly MCI-JLN roundtrips, for a subsidy of $1,149,875. RegionsAir would operate as AmericanConnection; Air Midwest would operate its MCI flights as US Airways Express, and its DFW flights as Mesa Airlines. The JLN community supported Option 2.

Air Midwest will be awarded the JLN contract due to its significantly lower subsidy requirements, and it's almost certain that Air Midwest's Option 1, for the 18 weekly MCI-JLN roundtrips, will be chosen, despite the wishes of the community. The DOT should make its decision within a month or so, since TSA is anxious to leave the market.

The carrier selection proceeding for the EAS contract at DEC has already been completed. RegionsAir d/b/a AmericanConnection was awarded the contract, and will serve STL-DEC with 24 weekly roundtrips on the J32, for a subsidy of $1,242,250.

Quoting STLtower (Thread starter):
How long does the COU operation keep going?

Trans States will need to keep serving COU until the EAS contract is awarded and a new airline begins service. The request for proposals was issued on April 6, and proposals are due 30 days after that. It'll then take roughly a month for the community to comment, roughly a month after that for the DOT to make its decision, and roughly two months after that for the selected carrier to begin service.
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RE: STL-Trans States Ordered To Keep COU For Now.

Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:21 am

Does anybody know if RegionsAir will apply to fly STL-SPI or SGF? I'm surprised that the DOT would award JLN-MCI considering that there is more connecting opportunities in STL.
 
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RE: STL-Trans States Ordered To Keep COU For Now.

Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:38 am

Quoting Stl1326 (Reply 3):
Does anybody know if RegionsAir will apply to fly STL-SPI or SGF?

Neither of those routes are currently eligible for EAS subsidy as they have additional carriers operating unsubsidized service, which is why Trans States is able to just drop the routes. RegionsAir is free to add the routes if it would like, and it does not need to apply for them at all, but it won't be subsidized for flying them.

Quoting Stl1326 (Reply 3):
I'm surprised that the DOT would award JLN-MCI considering that there is more connecting opportunities in STL.

Don't be surprised. The DOT cares far more about subsidy requirements than it does about connectivity.
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STLTower
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RE: STL-Trans States Ordered To Keep COU For Now.

Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:40 am

Makes me wonder if Air Midwest will bid on the COU service and make it MCI-COU.

Interesting news A330323X, thanks.
 
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RE: STL-Trans States Ordered To Keep COU For Now.

Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:43 pm

Unfortunately,

The minute that AA slashed the STL hub down to nothing is when all the small communities and some of the largr communities lost any good quality air service...
Unfortunately, in this area, It doesnt always have to be about ORD or DFW....Most people that I Book travel for do anything to AVOID ORD!!!!!!
STL could have served both as its own hub....and a reliever airport for both DFW and ORD esp ORD since ORD is nothing but over crowded and delay ridden..AA would rather subject passengers to going thru their two big HUBS than try and make the STL hub work. The only reason AA took over TWA was to get assets and gain some ground only to spit in the faces of so may communities and make everything harder for everyone....sheesh....
We need a new low cost carrier to come in and rescue the Heartland from AA and UA and serve communities of all sizes.....Southwest Airlines really needs to pair up with a DEDICATED regional partner to feed thier operations in MDW and STL and maybe even MCI.....What an opportunity that would be.....Oh well....
Seems as tho we cant get airlines to stop thinking inside that box.....

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RE: STL-Trans States Ordered To Keep COU For Now.

Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:45 pm

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 6):
Southwest Airlines really needs to pair up with a DEDICATED regional partner to feed thier operations in MDW and STL and maybe even MCI

The hell are you talking about? Regional operations are costly and will have no real benefit for Southwest's business plan.
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RE: STL-Trans States Ordered To Keep COU For Now.

Mon May 01, 2006 12:08 am

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 6):
STL could have served both as its own hub....and a reliever airport for both DFW and ORD esp ORD since ORD is nothing but over crowded and delay ridden..AA would rather subject passengers to going thru their two big HUBS than try and make the STL hub work.

when flying AA I purposely look for anything thru STL before ORD. Its so much easier connecting thru STL versus ORD. Coming from the midwest, DFW is not too bad but can be a little out of the way if you are going to points in the far Southeast/Florida and is not really an option for flying to points out east. People here in the midwest have long used STL as a transfer point on the Ozark/TWA days, and if any of the cities are still lucky to have STL service (like us here in CID) it looks like flights to STL have fairly good loads (keep in mind I am only using AA's seatmaps as a guide). I think it is also important to note that according to the STL website connecting traffic was up 40% there, so people still evidently like connecting thru there.
 
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RE: STL-Trans States Ordered To Keep COU For Now.

Sat May 13, 2006 3:46 am

Two carriers made EAS proposals for service at COU.

RegionsAir proposed to operate 4 daily roundtrips COU-STL for an annual subsidy of $728,438. RegionsAir would operate their service as AmericanConnection using J32 aircraft.

Air Midwest offered two options. Option 1 would operate 2 daily roundtrips COU-STL and 2 daily roundtrips COU-MCI for an annual subsidy of $598,751. Option 2 would operate 4 daily roundtrips COU-MCI for an annual subsidy of $793,830. Air Midwest would operate their service as US Airways Express using B1900 aircraft.

The RegionsAir proposal is available here.
The Air Midwest proposal is available here.

Air Midwest's Option 1 is highly likely to be chosen by the DOT, due to its lower subsidy amount.
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RE: STL-Trans States Ordered To Keep COU For Now.

Sun May 14, 2006 12:51 am

looking at the low fares Mesa plans to offer to both STL and MCI from COU in their application, maybe that would actually stimulate air traffic there.
 
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RE: STL-Trans States Ordered To Keep COU For Now.

Sun May 14, 2006 10:12 am

I would like to see Regions Air add more flights. Keeps me in a job longer (as I work for Regions Air :P )

We'll be adding Jamestown, NY and Bradford, PA here in a few months to our CLE service for CO using the Saab. More EAS runs. I really hope we pick up more runs throughout the northeast, both to benefit Regions Air and to benefit Continental Airlines superb service.

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RE: STL-Trans States Ordered To Keep COU For Now.

Sun May 14, 2006 3:05 pm

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 6):
The only reason AA took over TWA was to get assets and gain some ground only to spit in the faces of so may communities and make everything harder for everyone....sheesh....

The initial reason that AA bought TWA was to have a hub 300 miles from ORD. The summer of 2000 was absolutely miserable at ORD. It was the stormiest summer in years. To add to the misery, UA's pilots were refusing overtime, so UA kept rebooking its passengers to AA, which caused further delays for AA's operation.

By having STL, AA could reroute passengers, when the weather at ORD went south. There is little chance of ORD and STL getting hit by thunderstorms at the same time, and in the winter, STL usually gets back to normal operations by the time the snow starts falling at ORD.

In addition, STL offered O&D traffic for ORD more options. Before the merger, full non-stops out of ORD meant connecting at DFW, which made little sense outside of destinations in the Southwest and Texas. Connecting at STL saved a lot of flying time over a DFW connection, particuarly if flying from ORD to places such as SEA or SFO.

The problem for AA is simply the St. Louis metro area doesn't offer the same level of O&D traffic as ORD or DFW. The metro area is smaller and has far fewer corporate offices.
 
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RE: STL-Trans States Ordered To Keep COU For Now.

Wed May 17, 2006 5:45 am

Courtesy: Columbia Daily Tribune

City Weighs Options For New Airline

http://www.columbiatribune.com/2006/May/20060516News001.asp