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Kingfisher To Start India-USA Flights

Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:01 am

Kingfisher Airlines to launch nonstop India to US flights with new
A340-500 Aircraft.

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RE: Kingfisher To Start India-USA Flights

Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:25 am

a direct link could have been helpful, allow me: http://www.airlinequality.com/news/240406-Kingfisher.htm

?: Will these flights be just as restricted as the 772LR nonstop by PK?
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Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:14 am

I do not believe Kingfisher has been cleared to fly int'l. The only Indian flag carriers allowed to fly abroad to my knowledge are Air India, Indian (Airlines), Jet Airways and Air Sahara, who of course is in the process of being integrated into Jet.
 
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RE: Kingfisher To Start India-USA Flights

Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:36 am

Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 2):
I do not believe Kingfisher has been cleared to fly int'l. The only Indian flag carriers allowed to fly abroad to my knowledge are Air India, Indian (Airlines), Jet Airways and Air Sahara, who of course is in the process of being integrated into Jet.

If I remember correctly, private Indian airlines had to be flying for something like 5 years before they could go international. I am pretty certain that eventually Kingfisher would be planning to go international, otherwise they wouldn't have ordered those huge Airbus planes.
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RE: Kingfisher To Start India-USA Flights

Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:42 am

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 1):

What I gather from the link is that, they intend to fly US-India non-stop with these aircrafts. As others have pointed out, they don't have the permission to fly out international. As per current Govt of India policy, they'll have to wait till 5yrs from the date of inception of service.
On the side note, the promoter of the airlines has certain ace up his sleeve that shall allow him to open a subsidiary in US and fly to India non-stop as an American airlines. Don't see it happening that soon, but then these planes aren't coming tomorrow either.
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RE: Kingfisher To Start India-USA Flights

Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:22 pm

Quoting Aseem (Reply 4):
As per current Govt of India policy, they'll have to wait till 5yrs from the date of inception of service.

Probably a revised reduction on the way.  wink 
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Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:48 pm

Didn't Kingfisher start only two years ago? Isn't this expansion too fast, too soon? Perhaps they'll go kaput....
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:11 am

Quoting Aseem (Reply 4):
As per current Govt of India policy, they'll have to wait till 5yrs from the date of inception of service.

AIC 2 of 2005
5 yrs for Fleet of Min 20 Aircraft.
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RE: Kingfisher To Start India-USA Flights

Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:15 am

Quoting Aseem (Reply 4):
On the side note, the promoter of the airlines has certain ace up his sleeve that shall allow him to open a subsidiary in US and fly to India non-stop as an American airlines. Don't see it happening that soon, but then these planes aren't coming tomorrow either.

I don't see this happening too soon either.....the DOT isn't just going to give any carrier who has money the ability/license to fly into the United States from an international destination...it will take quite a while before they get DOT approval...and with Mallya's kids being United States Citizens and starting a company based out of the United States, the DOT will probably be even more skeptical..as they would view this as some kind of "back door" attempt to circumvent everything else...
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Mon May 01, 2006 9:36 pm

There was speculation in the media this weekend, about IT considering buying an international airline - so Mallya could then start internationl flights to/from India.
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Sat May 06, 2006 6:09 am

Quoting Nimish (Reply 9):
There was speculation in the media this weekend, about IT considering buying an international airline - so Mallya could then start internationl flights to/from India.

IT seems to be expanding too fast for comfort.
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RE: Kingfisher To Start India-USA Flights

Sat May 06, 2006 8:04 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 10):
IT seems to be expanding too fast for comfort.

whose comfort? Theirs or competitors? Big grin
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RE: Kingfisher To Start India-USA Flights

Sat May 06, 2006 3:37 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 10):
IT seems to be expanding too fast for comfort.

Hardly - look at the way DN has expanded to what's too fast (given their track record of delays and more delays). At least IT has managed the expansion well - and has flights that are usually on time.
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RE: Kingfisher To Start India-USA Flights

Sat May 06, 2006 5:17 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 12):
At least IT has managed the expansion well - and has flights that are usually on time.

Comparatively IT is def better position than DN.Although certain Mx details cannot be posted on this Forum. Smile
Hopefully this time around the Aviation bubble does not burst.
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Sun May 07, 2006 5:35 am

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 6):
Didn't Kingfisher start only two years ago?

Almost exactly 1 year ago.

A quote from a press release:

"...Kingfisher Airlines commenced operations on May 9th, 2005 with a brand new fleet of aircraft. Kingfisher Airlines offers Full Service at True Value and promises an unparalleled experience to the Indian air traveler. On offer are extra-wide seats and spacious leg room, delicious gourmet meals, international-class cabin crew and a whole host of comforts and delights. Kingfisher Airlines also facilitates doorstep delivery of tickets on guest request....."
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Sun May 07, 2006 11:24 am

Kingfisher has chosen EWR and SJC airport in USA for its A 345 future nonstop flights.

Routes will be BOM-EWR nonstop + BLR-SJC nonstop (San Jose).

A 345s will be having 225 pax seated in a 3 class configuration. This has been announced by the Economic Times of India newspaper as well.
 
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RE: Kingfisher To Start India-USA Flights

Sun May 07, 2006 11:39 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):
I don't see this happening too soon either.....the DOT isn't just going to give any carrier who has money the ability/license to fly into the United States from an international destination..

What? This isn't the third world, this is India and the airline is part of one of India's most massive companies.

If India licenses Kingfisher to do so, the DOT will not stand in the way for no reason.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):
and with Mallya's kids being United States Citizens and starting a company based out of the United States, the DOT will probably be even more skeptical..as they would view this as some kind of "back door" attempt to circumvent everything else...

Its perfectly legal. United States citizens starting a airline and flying routes that are part of a liberal bilateral agreement.

It IS a back door, but a perfectly legal one. The DOT can't arbitrarily say they can't fly.

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Sun May 07, 2006 12:26 pm

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 15):

i know you're are reliable source, but would like to see the link
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RE: Kingfisher To Start India-USA Flights

Sun May 07, 2006 12:44 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):
Hopefully this time around the Aviation bubble does not burst.

The bubble always burts, simple microeconomics my friend. Just watch IndiGo never even recieve the delivery of their 1st of 100 A320s.
 
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RE: Kingfisher To Start India-USA Flights

Sun May 07, 2006 2:34 pm

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 15):
Kingfisher has chosen EWR and SJC airport in USA for its A 345 future nonstop flights.

Really?!? This article states it will be SFO.

http://us.rediff.com/money/2006/apr/25mallya.htm?q=bp&file=.htm
 
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Sun May 07, 2006 3:32 pm

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 16):
What? This isn't the third world, this is India and the airline is part of one of India's most massive companies.

If India licenses Kingfisher to do so, the DOT will not stand in the way for no reason.

it was in response to certain "loopholes" which the DOT won't fall for...

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 16):
Its perfectly legal. United States citizens starting a airline and flying routes that are part of a liberal bilateral agreement.

It IS a back door, but a perfectly legal one. The DOT can't arbitrarily say they can't fly.

sure they can.....certainly Kingfisher has the right to fight and and win...but if the DOT doesn't want KingFisher to be flying to the United States....they aint flying, especially if they feel KingFisher is pulling some kind of "back-door" policy....and who's going to rule over them? A court of law (most possible scenerio)? congress (probably not)? president (probably not)?
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Mon May 08, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 19):

the article also states that they are going to start worlds longest non-stop flight, completly forgetting that SQ's current SIN-EWR is longer than what they'll fly in 2008.
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RE: Kingfisher To Start India-USA Flights

Mon May 08, 2006 3:05 pm

Quoting Vega (Reply 14):
Almost exactly 1 year ago.

Time Flies Fast.One year.Wow.
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RE: Kingfisher To Start India-USA Flights

Tue May 09, 2006 1:04 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):
Comparatively IT is def better position than DN.Although certain Mx details cannot be posted on this Forum.

Don't know people in IT, but what I hear from Paramount and Deccan (particularly on the ATR) in MX and Flightops are also best not posted publicly.....
 
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RE: Kingfisher To Start India-USA Flights

Tue May 09, 2006 1:30 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 16):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):
and with Mallya's kids being United States Citizens and starting a company based out of the United States, the DOT will probably be even more skeptical..as they would view this as some kind of "back door" attempt to circumvent everything else...

Its perfectly legal. United States citizens starting a airline and flying routes that are part of a liberal bilateral agreement.

It IS a back door, but a perfectly legal one. The DOT can't arbitrarily say they can't fly.

The DOT gave Virgin America a hell of a tough time because of the way they "hid" Bronson's part of it. But generally speaking, it should work.
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RE: Kingfisher To Start India-USA Flights

Tue May 09, 2006 1:30 am

BLR-SJC non-stop with a premium cabin !! I'm quite sure it will be massive money maker !!

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Tue May 09, 2006 1:36 am

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 25):
BLR-SJC non-stop with a premium cabin !! I'm quite sure it will be massive money maker !!

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Absolutely! You must know the San Jose area. Particularly Fremont. This airline will be running two or three flights a day to SJC before long. It is a brilliant move. Maybe they will bring Kingfisher Beer in as well.
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