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DL 757's Back To SAV

Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:25 pm

I see the schedule came out. According to the management here in SAV, we will be seeing 3 757's a day between ATL-SAV. From what we are being told, Flight 1248 SAV-ATL will be a headstart (RON) 757 flight. Next will be 1571 ATL-SAV and the return 467 SAV-ATL will be a 757. Also, the following flight, currently flight 4497 (operated by ASA) will become a 757. Flight 884 ATL-SAV will be the incoming flight that RON's here in SAV. A couple of questions.

1. How many other cities close in size to SAV will see all mainline ATL service. It looks like the schedule will include 757, 738, 732, and M88 flights.

2. Currently the flights that go full the most often are the afternoon flights. Wouldnt it be smart to have atleast 1 outbound 757 in the afternoon??

Thanks for the input!
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RE: DL 757's Back To SAV

Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:40 pm

I worked in Savannah for a year and would always fly out on a 4:50 departure from SAV to ATL...took that one about 4 times, it was usually Delta 271 to Atlanta continuing to Salt Lake City...a 757, always full...Delta can fill those 757's from SAV...i was shocked to see a CRJ of any type on that route. When I was there only two or three dailies were on the MD88....it was all 738's and 757's... that was when there were 4-5 daily CRJ's to CVG....one time i took that it was full, too...
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RE: DL 757's Back To SAV

Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:48 pm

Correct. Currently there are 4x daily on the M88, 3x daily on the 738, 1x daily on the 732, and 1x daily on the CR7. Also there is 2x daily CVG-SAV, 3x daily LGA-SAV, and 1x daily BOS-SAV. I wouldnt be suprised to see another BOS-SAV sometime, as the loads are great.
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RE: DL 757's Back To SAV

Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:54 pm

Wow.

DL really likes SAV.
 
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RE: DL 757's Back To SAV

Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:08 pm

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 3):
Wow.

DL really likes SAV.

More like SAV really likes DL. It seems like a lot of flights (1577 daily seats out of SAV on DL and DL Connection out of a total of 2311 total seats daily out of SAV), but the flights are generally pretty full. The loads for DL out of SAV are really amazing.


Note: 2311 seats out of SAV are Sunday-Friday. On SAT the number of seats goes up to 2583. Su-Fri cities served are ATL, CVG, LGA, BOS, IAD, ORD, DFW, EWR, IAH, DTW, and CLT. On saturday, US adds 1 flight each to PHL, DCA, BOS, and PIT.
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RE: DL 757's Back To SAV

Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:43 pm

Quoting OMA2FAI2SAV (Reply 4):
The loads for DL out of SAV are really amazing.

Since when does that justify soo much service though... their loadfactor is 85% here, from what I was told... Considering 2/4 flights to CVG are usually duds. ATL is near impossible to get a seat on.

Way to go SAV though, 757s ... pretty spectacular.
 
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RE: DL 757's Back To SAV

Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:35 pm

When I first came to SAV (First with Expressjet, then with Flyi) most of the flights into and out of SAV were 757's. With a few MD88's thrown in. I believe they actually had a scheduled 767. Not too sure, but it can be seen in this photo.

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Like I said before, the traffic is huge here in SAV. But 1 thing really stumps me. How is it that SAV can handle all the seats that DL sends, but FL cant sustain any more flights. I know that there are a ton of DL skymiles peeps here, but cant FL also get some traffic? I mean, FL only has 2 flights a day. There is a FL res center here, and I would think that they could handle some more flights. Anyone else agree?
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RE: DL 757's Back To SAV

Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:49 pm

My first flight the week after 9/11 was a trip down to SAV for a day. I know my return was a 757 but I just don't remember the outbound.

Quoting OMA2FAI2SAV (Reply 6):
But 1 thing really stumps me. How is it that SAV can handle all the seats that DL sends, but FL cant sustain any more flights.

DL offers more flights to other destinations than FL and that is attractive to folks. I would hazzard a guess that there is a fair amount of military on these flights given the connections to DCA and the quick Metro ride to the Pentagon from there that you just can't get with AirTran.
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RE: DL 757's Back To SAV

Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:23 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 5):
Quoting OMA2FAI2SAV (Reply 4):
The loads for DL out of SAV are really amazing.

Since when does that justify soo much service though...

I can sum it up in three words : Hilton Head Island ...

Seriously though - the Savannah area, combined with the whole lowcountry/HHH/Beafort County areas is a HUGE tourist/golf/etc mecca.

Not surprised at all that DL, with the huge cross country flight network, can squeeze enough people wanting to go there to fill a 757 (and apparently, according to OMA2FAI2SAV a 767 as well, in the past).

I don't fly in there often, as it's easier to just drive from from Atlanta, but anytime I have, the airport's been quite busy. I bet it's a fun place to work, though !

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RE: DL 757's Back To SAV

Wed Apr 26, 2006 1:19 am

Quoting OMA2FAI2SAV (Reply 6):
I believe they actually had a scheduled 767

As someone who has worked in SAV before, they have never had scheduled 767 service. Feel free to look around their ramp, they have no container loaders. The largest airplane they have had scheduled service for is the 757. I remember a story about ATL once sent down a 767 as an aircraft sub, but someone didn't do their homework and when it got to SAV, they couldn't get the bags off, as they had no loaders. They had to send the airplane back to ATL on the next flight(bulk loaded the rest of the bags, of course), and send the bags down on the next available flight for delivery. And I think it was in the late 90's, so it could be that very picture above. During a year I was there, there was a 767 aircraft swap once and it was bulkloaded.

Quoting OMA2FAI2SAV (Reply 4):
More like SAV really likes DL. It seems like a lot of flights (1577 daily seats out of SAV on DL and DL Connection out of a total of 2311 total seats daily out of SAV), but the flights are generally pretty full. The loads for DL out of SAV are really amazing.



Quoting OMA2FAI2SAV (Reply 6):
Like I said before, the traffic is huge here in SAV. But 1 thing really stumps me. How is it that SAV can handle all the seats that DL sends, but FL cant sustain any more flights. I know that there are a ton of DL skymiles peeps here, but cant FL also get some traffic? I mean, FL only has 2 flights a day. There is a FL res center here, and I would think that they could handle some more flights. Anyone else agree?

Well, SAV is a little known gem of the south, something I'm sure the natives would like to keep that way. Lets remember that SAV is known as "Georgia's First City" and "Georgia's City of Love". For history buffs, there is a lot of historical artifacts right in plain sight all over town. Victorian, ante-bellum style house architecture around the houses near the squares(most are probably haunted B&B's,lol), the squares themselves are also of significant historical importance as well. And not to leave out Ft. Pulaski, the Confederate fort on Tybee Island that was dubbed "impenetrable", until Union forces fired on it with new, rifle-barrelled cannons and the fort's wall fell. You can still see cannonballs impaled into the brick!

SAV is also a big destination for lovers and honeymooners. With SAV's beautiful architecture and the laid back style of the South, as well as its many picturesque settings and un-touched nature, it is a prime location for a relaxing honeymoon.

SAV, like any other Southern beach-side town, gets its fair share of tourism. It was the focus for John Berendt's novel, "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil." He used SAV's people as its setting. Therefore, the 1997 movie could be filmed no-where else but SAV. The drag queen Lady Chablis is also a regular on DL out of SAV.

SAV is also home or close to many colleges, including Georgia Southern and Savannah College of Art and Design, as well as many smaller universities. So a lot of collegiate traffic also flows in and out.

Then you have the military. Ft. Stewart is located about 30 miles southwest of SAV, and Hunter AAF is located right in the center of town. Not to mention there is also the Georgia Air National Guard at the airport and adjacent to it is a Air National Guard training base for Operational Readiness Inspections used by other ANG units from other states. Being that Hinesville(Ft. Stewart) has absolutely nothing there except the fort, most of the people choose to live in SAV and commute. There is a lot of green walking around SAV.

And there is also Hilton Head, Savannah's neighbor to the north. Known to be well frequented by snobby Yanks retiring to the South, SAV offers more options than the daily departures by US Airways from HHH to CLT. One reason why SAV had to change its name from Savannah International to Savannah/Hilton Head International Airport.



So SAV gets quite the fair share as the little known town in Southern Georgia. DL was accustomed to running 757's there before, but with the advent of Song, the 757's were pulled out. I would expect you to see 757's in SAV for the busy summer season, and it going back to MD's and 738's the rest of the year.

As far as FL's flights compared to DL's, FL doesn't have anywhere near the network that DL has, nor will it ever unless heavy subsidies are paid out to them. You will never see FL be able to take people to the cities that DL can. Plus, Delta has been flying to SAV for nearly 60 years, as it was one of their first eastbound routes, so the loyalty of the city and its inhabitants to DL are very strong.



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RE: DL 757's Back To SAV

Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:01 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 9):

I'm afraid Paula Deen may be changing that whole stereotype. After experiencing and loving CHS, SAV is next on my list of "must-see" Southern cities. It does surprise me that FL doesn't put more flights in, but with DL being so strong down there, I can see why it may not be worth the extra effort. Good to see the 757 back down there. Now if only BHM and MEM could get back the 757, we'd be back to the traditional DL strongholds getting big aircraft.
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RE: DL 757's Back To SAV

Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:13 am

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 10):
I'm afraid Paula Deen may be changing that whole stereotype

Who's that?

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 10):
It does surprise me that FL doesn't put more flights in, but with DL being so strong down there, I can see why it may not be worth the extra effort

Let's just face it that people don't want to fly to where Airtran flies out of there. Its mostly leisure passengers, which FL seems to think is below them a lot of the time, and unless SAV wants to pony up some subsidies, FL won't give them a second thought. SAV's presence with Airtran was obvious when they farmed it out to AWAC during that little deal. And the FL people there were so lazy, whenever DL had oversales and were willing to put their people on FL(thereby generating money for FL), the FL people would say their flights were full, when the computer clearly showed seats in ALL classes to sell. Sorry, thats not a full flight. Those people didn't want to make any money for FL just so they would not have to do any work. But DL loved taking FL's people, since DL charges FL a full, one-way fare for flights.



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RE: DL 757's Back To SAV

Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:59 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 11):
Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 10):
I'm afraid Paula Deen may be changing that whole stereotype

Who's that?

Check her out on Food Network. (Jeez, I watch that damn network too much!) She has a catering business down there with her sons (called 'Lady and Sons' no less) but has a show on TV as well. She doesn't do any "lighter fare" cooking. Everything is good old Southern cooking with lard, butter, and bacon grease.

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RE: DL 757's Back To SAV

Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:19 pm

Lady and Sons is a must see if you're in Savannah, let me tell you. I'm not a fan at all of Savannah...in the ten months i spent there I would always say that my favorite spot in town was Gate 5 at SAV cause that's where I'd typically board a Delta 757 bound for ATL and then go on to somewhere else more fun. But SAV isn't a bad place to visit. Eat at Lady and Sons, get a drink on the Riverfront and enjoy walking with an open container, and if you're a sports junkie, check out the Savannah Sand Gnats, a single-A affiliate of the Washington Nationals. I used to work for the team, and they play in one of the oldest stadiums still active in professional sports. Plus, like many other places in Savannah, its haunted (or so the legend says).....
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RE: DL 757's Back To SAV

Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:51 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 12):
Everything is good old Southern cooking with lard, butter, and bacon grease.

She's one damn good cook.

Does DL (either mainline or Song) still run PVD-SAV? My family in Rhode Island took that flight I think back when it was DL Express a few years ago.

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RE: DL 757's Back To SAV

Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:59 pm

Quoting Petmbro (Reply 14):
Does DL (either mainline or Song) still run PVD-SAV? My family in Rhode Island took that flight I think back when it was DL Express a few years ago.

PVD-SAV? I don't recall anyone EVER flying that run. Besides, Song never flew to SAV.
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RE: DL 757's Back To SAV

Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:49 am

Quoting Petmbro (Reply 14):
Does DL (either mainline or Song) still run PVD-SAV? My family in Rhode Island took that flight I think back when it was DL Express a few years ago.

As far as I know, this has never been flown. I might be wrong. But I know it has not been flown since 1998.



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 15):
Besides, Song never flew to SAV.

True. When we get the 757's though on June 8, the 2nd dialy flight will be a song aircraft. I am not too sure of when they will be visiting the paintshop, but hopefully we can get some planes painted in song colors here before they disapear.

Quoting Fjnovak1 (Reply 13):
and if you're a sports junkie, check out the Savannah Sand Gnats, a single-A affiliate of the Washington Nationals

Your best bet is to stay away from the Sand Gnats if you are a sports junkie, as all you will see is one group of guys beating down the Sand Gnats. But it is a good place to go if you dont mind heat, humidity, and the real sand gnats bugging you. I am a season ticket holder, and I will say, I only go to have a beautiful server come take my order and bring me beer and hotdogs all game! LOL.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 12):
Savannah is a great town. Go in the Spring or Fall if you can as summers as usual are sweltering.

It is an ok town. The crime is too high, and there is not a whole lot to do apart from drinking downtown. (Which I am all for by the way). The only day of the year I love Savannah is St. Patricks day. 2nd largest celebration in the USA behind NYC. Lots of fun.
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RE: DL 757's Back To SAV

Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:39 am

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 15):
PVD-SAV? I don't recall anyone EVER flying that run. Besides, Song never flew to SAV.

You know the more I think of it I think they flew out of BOS. My mistake.
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RE: DL 757's Back To SAV

Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:07 pm

It's probably really good that they are going to 757s. Our CRJs NEVER have seats out of Savannah. As of right now, Friday (4/28), Saturday (4/29), and Sunday (4/30) on Delta out of SAV are solid full with the exception of a couple of flights on Saturday.
 
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RE: DL 757's Back To SAV

Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:16 pm

Quoting ASApilot (Reply 18):
It's probably really good that they are going to 757s. Our CRJs NEVER have seats out of Savannah. As of right now, Friday (4/28), Saturday (4/29), and Sunday (4/30) on Delta out of SAV are solid full with the exception of a couple of flights on Saturday.

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Get used to it. The ASA flight (leaves SAV at 14:10) has been 90-100% full for weeks. I love working the CR7, but I cannot wait to get the 757's back. Hopefully this will let us employees non rev out of here, but I have gotten used to it. I am more than willing to drive to BQK to get out of there. Dont ever expect to be able to non rev into or out of SAV. That way, when you can get in or out, it is a very welcome suprise!
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RE: DL 757's Back To SAV

Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:20 pm

Would it not be more economical for DL to run ATRs to SAV? Its only 215nm...about a 40 min flight...run one every hour or so....I be there would be lots of savings. Also, yeah the planes are pretty full but the yields arent that good...fares start at 158.00 R/T(ATL)....meanwhile TLH which is about the same distance starts its fares at about 300.00 R/T to ATL. Put those 757 on longer routes where you can utilize its range and ASMs on longer flights.
 
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RE: DL 757's Back To SAV

Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:24 pm

Quoting OOer (Reply 20):
Would it not be more economical for DL to run ATRs to SAV? Its only 215nm...about a 40 min flight...run one every hour or so....I be there would be lots of savings. Also, yeah the planes are pretty full but the yields arent that good...fares start at 158.00 R/T(ATL)....meanwhile TLH which is about the same distance starts its fares at about 300.00 R/T to ATL. Put those 757 on longer routes where you can utilize its range and ASMs on longer flights.

The ATRs might be a short-term fix at the most, because they're supposedly on their way out at ASA. Even so, I seriously doubt that DL would put a turboprop, albeit a very large one, on a route that is as profitable as this one is. A 757 is much better, cost-wise than any CRJ could ever be.
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RE: DL 757's Back To SAV

Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:02 pm

Quoting OOer (Reply 20):
Would it not be more economical for DL to run ATRs to SAV? Its only 215nm...about a 40 min flight...run one every hour or so....I be there would be lots of savings. Also, yeah the planes are pretty full but the yields arent that good...fares start at 158.00 R/T(ATL)....meanwhile TLH which is about the same distance starts its fares at about 300.00 R/T to ATL. Put those 757 on longer routes where you can utilize its range and ASMs on longer flights.

First, the number of ATRs is limited, and they are needed for the even shorter flights from ATL like CHA, which also have low demand.
Second, at the point when the 757s return to SAV, DL will offer 1360 daily seats on 9 flights. In ATR terms, that's 21 daily flights, or hourly from 5am to 1am, which would be bollocks anyway. Now, for the traffic at ATL, what is better: 9 mainline jets, or 21 DCI props? I think that answer is pretty obvious.
Hence it is crystal clear why DL does not use props to SAV.
 
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RE: DL 757's Back To SAV

Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:00 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 7):
DL offers more flights to other destinations than FL and that is attractive to folks. I would hazzard a guess that there is a fair amount of military on these flights given the connections to DCA and the quick Metro ride to the Pentagon from there that you just can't get with AirTran.

This is a good point, underscored by DL's application (well OH actually) to open up DCA-SAV nonstop.

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