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IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:44 am

According to the Spanish newspaper "El Mundo" (http://www.elmundo.es/mundodinero/2006/04/25/economia/1145985402.html), IB launches a LCC (it was talked many times before in this forum about this possibility). This LCC will be based in Barcelona and will be participated by IB itself, ACS (one of the biggest Spanish companies), Iberostar (a company having many hotels and resorts), Nefinsa (Air Nostrum) and Quercus (?), having 20% each in the new company. It is supposed that the company will have 5 planes at the end of this year and 30 in 2008 (?).

We will have to wait to see the future of this new company (as well as IB itself).

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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:52 am

Name of this new LCC is still unknown.

Most of the routes will originate in BCN, good news for BCN !!!!
 
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:24 am

LCC Vueling will face now some competition in BCN:

Currently Vueling has routes from Barcelona to:

Alicante, Amsterdam, Bilbao, Brussels, Ibiza, Lisbon, Madrid, Menorca, Milan, Málaga, Palma de Mallorca, Paris, Rome, Santiago, Seville and Venice.
 
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:24 am

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 1):
Name of this new LCC is still unknown.

What about Air Barcelona?
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:40 am

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 3):
What about Air Barcelona?

Sounds good!!! But Air Madrid would probably complain (due to the similarity)

This company will have its own and independent management, not related directly to Iberia.

It will probably start with some A320 or A319.
 
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:43 am

Yes, it is official.

Click here to go to Iberia's website news page.

[Edited 2006-04-25 20:46:56]
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:54 am

Quoting Dme (Thread starter):
We will have to wait to see the future of this new company (as well as IB itself).

Well...now that Mullor is leaving maybe things could get better.

Anyway, Conte doesn't need any help if he wants to mess things up.
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 4:11 am

Personally I do not think it is a great idea. I think a new LCC would fit better in MAD, as BCN is saturated with LCC and some of them are very well stablished.We will see probably some of them go.

Ok, what people want is low prices, but I do not think this LCC can go even deeper in that field. The market IB has lost in BCN will hardly be gained with this new LCC. Not to forget that IB not has not only lost market because of the new competition, but also due to lack of interest in promoting BCN from the begining.
 
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 4:14 am

Good! Lets hope IB re introduces "free" food onboard. The food they sell, I have not tasted yet but is damn expensive!

Way to go IB
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 4:21 am

IB as of recently has become even more centralized on Madrid with reduction of services at Barcelona. Forming a LCC with a BCN base is an attempt regain some market share in BCN.

IB placing a LCC in Madrid would be a silly suicide venture, as the LCC would end up competing against the mainline IB operation. Having it arms lenght away in Barcelona helps defend the BCN market while pressuring carriers like Vueling.
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 4:27 am

Quoting SQ773 (Reply 7):
BCN is saturated with LCC and some of them are very well stablished

True, some of them in BCN (not all of them are LCC but could fit in the description):

Air Baltic, Air Berlin, Air Finland, Air Madrid, Alpieeagles, Easyjet, Evolavia, Fly Nordic, German Wings, German Express, Globespan, Helvetic Airways, Jet2, Sterling, My Air, My Travel lite, Thomsonfly, Transavia.......and Vueling

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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 5:00 am

IB will have a 20% participation in the new airline. I think it's a good idea as being based in BCN as Laxintl has pointed out the new company will not clash head on with IB. IB will also benefit as it will do the handling and maintenance operations for this new company. I think the LCC operation in BCN are the one's who should start to worry.

By the way BCN is a second class city that's why it has a second class airport and airlines.

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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 5:02 am

Quoting Dme (Thread starter):
IB launches an LCC

Wasn't IB an LCC itself  wink 

Quoting SQ773 (Reply 7):
BCN is saturated with LCC and some of them are very well stablished

 checkmark  I can't see the point on this move either. I don't think there is room for more LCC's at BCN. There are dozens of them and most of them are extremely competitive and very well stablished... BCN is an LCC-saturated market and that won't be an easy task for IB. Starting an LCC at BCN looks like starting a "full service" airline at FRA or JFK to me. If I was them I would base some A340 there and fly them to South America rather than geting in such a competitive market...
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 5:03 am

another LCC out of a oneworld carrier? Wonder how this alliance is going to turn out. interesting article though. I hope they do well!
 
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 5:26 am

IB is losing money in BCN on its international services. Politically it could not withdraw from BCN, so this is its response. Iberostar will be supplying the metal and therefore helping IB gets its costs right for the BCN market. Although the BCN market is good, its yields have been hammered by other LCC's, similar to what has also happened in Milan, by the way.
 
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 5:50 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 9):
IB placing a LCC in Madrid would be a silly suicide venture, as the LCC would end up competing against the mainline IB operation.

They are completely different markets, it would not be silly at all. IB mainline operation is a hub system traffic, besides if the company would belong to IB, it would not be really a "competition", would it ?

We should analyse the move from Vueling .They started operating from MAD, and for sure it has not been welcomed at all by IB. I see it as an attempt to try to close this incredibly succesfull airline, that operates from BCN, VLC, BIO, SVQ, etc..and finally MAD with very high standards, better than IB on shorthaul flights.
 
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:02 am

Quoting SQ773 (Reply 15):
Vueling is an incredibly succesfull airline with very high standards, better than IB on shorthaul flights.

 checkmark  True

Quoting Vueling.com:
Vueling was found to be one of the most valued airline companies among European consumers. A recent survey by European consumer organisations in France, Belgium, Holland, Italy, and Portugal proves it. Among a total of 8,600 surveys, Vueling ranked as the best Spanish airline with a 7.16 rating. Also, out of the 110 airlines analysed, Vueling came in at 23.

By the way, IB was one of the worst rated...
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:15 am

Quoting BCNGRO (Reply 16):
Also, out of the 110 airlines analysed, Vueling came in at 23.

Good to have a Spanish carrier in that place.
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:27 am

Isn't this the second LCC Iberia have launched in their history?

I might be wrong but wasn't Viva Air a low cost airline set up by Iberia in the 1980's?


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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:39 am

Quoting SQ773 (Reply 15):
They are completely different markets, it would not be silly at all. IB mainline operation is a hub system traffic, besides if the company would belong to IB, it would not be really a "competition", would it ?

Iberia, overlaying its Madrid network with a LCC would indeed be suicide, as the LCC would begin to draw traffic away from the mainline. In essence the mainline would find itself competing with its own LCC for passengers.

A great example of this is what happened with British Airways and GO. While GO was not even based at LHR/LGW, BA found that GO was causing reductions in market fares and bleeding its mainline European operation even amongst city pairs the airlines did not directly compete in.

An example were a mainline carrier has cleverly used a LCC airline is Lufthansa, whom has partial ownership of GermanWings, and has the carrier concentrate on markets outside of the carriers Frankfurt and Munich hubs.

There is simply no reason for Iberia to create at LCC with a Madrid base when the carrier already enjoys strong market share and manages to hold its own against Spanair, Air Madrid and Air Europa.
Iberia's biggest growing weakness has been outside of Madrid, and this clearly is what the company wants to regain via the creation of a LCC targeting such markets.
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:02 am

Well IB has certainly shown us how much they care about BCN, in the past few months. Recently they have dropped BCN-MUC and reduced BCN-MAN.

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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:54 am

the new airline should replace IB on the routes where there is competition between IB and other LCCs.
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 4:13 pm

One interesting point is that in this new LCC there are several airlines involved: IB itself, Air Nostrum (Nefinsa), Iberworld (Iberostar) and BA/AA (since they own some shares on IB). Another one,as it has been already commented here, is that there are many LCCs in Europe, many ones in Spain and many ones working in Barcelona. As I have already said before in other disscusions in this forum, I think that Spain, nowadays, is a battle front for LCCs. We will wait and see the future. I think it will be very interesting.
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:14 pm

Service on IB is already bad enough as it it. I hate to think what the LCC version will be like.
 
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:24 pm

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 20):
and reduced BCN-MAN.

Dropped it completely  Sad
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:01 am

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 23):
Service on IB is already bad enough as it it. I hate to think what the LCC version will be like.

I think this will draw IB from the LCC model and thus become again an airline with free food ...hopefully
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:02 am

Six different names are being considered for the new LCC and it will refer to the Mediterranean Sea. The first three have more possibilities. These names were registered on March 1st.

Air Mediterráneo
Mediterránea Airlines
Mediterráneo Airlines
Air Mediterránea
Mediterráneo.com
Mediterránea.com

So......which one do you like??  Big grin
 
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:04 am

What about:
-FlyMed.com
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:44 am

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 26):
Mediterr�neo.com
Mediterr�nea.com

please....no .com name...sounds so amazingly cheap

AeroMed would be great ...
or
MedAir

but certainly a great name would be meditAIRaneo

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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:15 am

What about "Trans Mediteraneo"
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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:26 am

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 23):
Service on IB is already bad enough as it it. I hate to think what the LCC version will be like.

Perhaps their own LCC ends up being better than IB itself.  

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 29):
What about "Trans Mediteraneo"

Spain's main ferry company is already called "Trasmediterránea" so I guess that would sound too similar.

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RE: IB Launchs A LCC.

Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting BCNGRO (Reply 30):
Perhaps their own LCC ends up being better than IB itself.

 Big grin  Big grin wouldn't be surprised if that happens.  Wink


Quoting RootsAir (Reply 28):
AeroMed would be great ...

Sounds good!!....but there's already an air ambulance company in the US with that name.

mmmm, those six proposed names for the LCC are a little bit long (shorter could be better)  Smile


Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 26):
Air Mediterraneo
Mediterranea Airlines
Mediterraneo Airlines
Air Mediterranea
Mediterraneo.com
Mediterranea.com