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Old PHL International Terminal Operations

Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:05 am

I know that international flights operated out of the "blue barn" at PHL but didn't some operate out of Concourse B? I found a picture from June of 1989 showing Concourse B with the USAir planes and a Mexicana Plane at the end...i cant tell what gate it is. Any info? thanks  Smile

p.s. Are there any pictures of inside the blue barn? I was never in it but am curious to see what it was like.
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RE: Old PHL International Terminal Operations

Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:22 pm

Mexicana and TWA operated the departures of their international flights from Concourse B, but all arrivals went to the barn. Before moving to E, TWA was in B with AL/US. TWA moved to E when A was completed and AA moved from E to A. The Mexicana flight RON in PHL. LH (1st time), BA & AF (1st time) operated exclusively in the barn.
 
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RE: Old PHL International Terminal Operations

Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:12 pm

Although having flown through PHL on numerous occasions, I can't say I know which part of the airport is considered the barn? Are we talking about A-West? If so why 'barn'?
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RE: Old PHL International Terminal Operations

Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:15 pm

Quoting Captaink (Reply 2):
Although having flown through PHL on numerous occasions, I can't say I know which part of the airport is considered the barn? Are we talking about A-West? If so why 'barn'?

He's talking about the old Overseas Terminal over by Terminal F. It's still there, falling apart, waiting to be torn down.
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RE: Old PHL International Terminal Operations

Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:36 pm

Back in the 1970's, I flew out of this terminal many times. It was a very spacious building that if memory serves me correctly, was the former PA ANG hangar that was gutted and transformed into a terminal building, hence it's cavernous size. Seating was wide open with no separate gate facilities. Because this terminal was on street level, passengers simply entered the ramp through several numerically marked doors facing airside. On the far North end, there is a jetway that use to belong to TWA. This jetway may still be in place. It was a non-standard design because it was used for widebodies where passengers needed to go from street level, all the way to this higher wide-body aircraft position.

There is a partial second level that use to have several airline offices (BO, LH, AZ, AF, TW, PA, SR & charter airlines), but these are all vacated now. Some of the old airline signs can still be seen in the "reversed mode" out by the old curbside check-in. For people that flew out of this once busy facility, it has a surreal feeling of being a ghost town now. When I last pulled up there, I could hear the 707's, DC-8's and VC-10's that once parked there!
 
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RE: Old PHL International Terminal Operations

Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:50 pm

 
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RE: Old PHL International Terminal Operations

Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:00 am

Quoting Crownvic (Reply 4):
Some of the old airline signs can still be seen in the "reversed mode" out by the old curbside check-in.

I will have to recheck that the next time I drive by that area. The only signs (remnants/reversed mode) I've seen on the building as of late have been the ARRIVALS & DEPARTURES signs.

At present the adjacent apron is usually used for overnight parking. Most of the charter flights presently board/deboard at Atlantic Aviation hangars/F.B.O. apron along Entreprise Avenue.

Personally, I believe the building probably won't be torn down until the FAA/DOA decides which airfield/runway/configuration scheme (from the CEPs) is ultimately adopted.
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RE: Old PHL International Terminal Operations

Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:21 pm

PHLBOS...About a year ago, there was still an old Lufthansa yellow sign that was reversed. Whether it is still there or not, I have no idea...
 
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RE: Old PHL International Terminal Operations

Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:33 pm

Too bad it's so small or it could be turned into a WN terminal and relieve some congestion. Plus WN would love the easy in-out.
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RE: Old PHL International Terminal Operations

Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:50 pm

Vega..I have always thought that this would be an ideal area for WN to operate out of. I kind of disagree that it is too small. Additionally, there is a fair amount of empty real estate to the south of this building, if they wanted to expand it. Traditionally, WN is not in the business of building terminals, but a little cooperation with the City of PHL and they jointly build a miniature SNA style terminal that would relieve gate space at PHL. Remember, this terminal was used for many years for overseas carriers with wide body airliners and served for many years as the MAC hub terminal for trans-Atlantic operations. The terminal can easily seat about 1000 passengers at a given time. A quick check of a typical gate at most airports usually yields about only 50% available seats, to what aircraft may actually be parked at the gate. There would actually be more room at this location. Furthermore, WN has always been far more a "stand alone" airline that does not rely upon interline with other airlines, making this terminal a good opportunity.
 
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RE: Old PHL International Terminal Operations

Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:12 pm

Where is the parking for this terminal? Is that the area to the north of Rwy17?

And is there good freeway access from the 95 both directions?

What about jetways...only one? How many gates total?

Looking at that satellite shot makes think back to being at an Eagles-Ravens game a few years ago....almost had as much fun watching the planes land on the 27s as I did the game!
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RE: Old PHL International Terminal Operations

Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:55 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 10):
Where is the parking for this terminal? Is that the area to the north of Rwy17?

And is there good freeway access from the 95 both directions?

You can see a larger view here:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...772,-75.23356&spn=0.010126,0.02532
Note the large parking area adjacent to the terminal. Access to I95 is almost a direct on-off ramp at the top of the image. I95 is the multi-lane road at the top of the image. A portion of Terminal "F" is at the bottom - left.
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RE: Old PHL International Terminal Operations

Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:14 am

The "Blue Barn" closed about 1991, IIRC. All international ops were moved over to A at that time. I can't imagine what it was like to board/deplane in that cramped terminal. Was the customs on-sight? It looks so small from that satellite image. I'm amazed they haven't torn it down yet.
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RE: Old PHL International Terminal Operations

Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:07 pm

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 12):
Was the customs on-sight? It looks so small from that satellite image.

Yes, Customs and Immigration were on-site and while it looks small on the outside, inside it was very roomy and spacious. When I passed thru there several times in the late-70's there was not much activity on in the building, even with several flights processing at the same time (BA, LH, TW)

I don't remember much about my visit there, it was all ground level boarding and a shuttle bus took passengers to the main terminal for connections..
 
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RE: Old PHL International Terminal Operations

Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:01 pm

USPIT10L...Cramped terminal? Just look at the dimensional width of this building compared to the Concourses at the main terminal. There was far more available room in this building than any of the boarding areas of the main terminal.

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