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Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:16 am

Details just now coming in.
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:17 am

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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:29 am

Apparently a homeless man. There have been recent news reports of Cleveland homeless catching the rapid train to CLE and staying the night when it is cold, which it was last night.
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:47 am

The wounded officer, 18-year veteran Steve Walker, was not wearing body armor, which is required.

Safety Director Martin Flask did not know why he was not wearing his body armor.


If he had been wearing his armor he would not be dieing right now. Sad times when incidents happen like this.
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:48 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 3):
f he had been wearing his armor he would not be dieing right now

Possibly, but not a given. That's why they're called body armor, and not bullet proof vests.

But yeah, he should have worn it.
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:50 am

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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:54 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 4):
Possibly, but not a given. That's why they're called body armor, and not bullet proof vests.

I take it their is a difference?
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 3:18 am

Apparently, he wasn't a homeless man, but lived on the East side. He had tried to buy a ticket at DL, they denied him, and after getting a ticket from UA, the police confronted him. He had a criminal record. I'll try to get a link when I get a few minutes.
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 3:31 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
He had a criminal record.

Whether he had a criminal record or not really shouldn't matter. My guess is that it's being brought up since the guy was abusive. True, sometimes criminal records can be used to predict similar behaviors, but its's not right.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning the guy's acts. It's not okay to be abusive, but my feelings tell me that something else went on in that airport...


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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 3:44 am

Quoting Tbnist03 (Reply 8):
but my feelings tell me that something else went on in that airport...

It's pretty simple, sounds like to me. He got abusive with UA agents, they called the CPD, which happens more than you might imagine, and the guy grabbed a cop's gun, shot him, and was shot to death by another officer.

Now, why he was found suspicious by DL remains to be seen, since they denied him purchasing a ticket. Other than that, doesn't sound too complicated right now.
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:12 am

If he had been wearing his armor he would not be dieing right now. Sad times when incidents happen like this.


Thats nice boeing fever lets blame the cop because he wasnt wearing his bullet proof vest...lets not blame the guy who shot him.
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:37 am

My neighbor who was working @ CO said that it was a zoo over their. Not as bad by CO, but they were still getting people in back once shots rang out.
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:20 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 3):
If he had been wearing his armor he would not be dieing right now.

He's not dying. He's in critical (meaning bad) but stable (better than "dying") condition and being closely monitored. The bullet is lodged in his back muscle.

Another officer was injured when the man bit him.

Updates:
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/9048592/detail.html
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/9041370/detail.html
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:11 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 6):
I take it their is a difference?

I think it's more symantic than anything else; the armor is not truly bullet-proof, merely bullet-resistant (meaning that there's still the possibility that a bullet will get through, it's just lessened) from my understanding. "Body Armor" is easier on the mouth than "Bullet-Resistant Vest".

WJW-DT (FOX 8) reported that the police were called when a passenger became unreully at the United ticket counter, aparently upset about the cost of a ticket that was quoted. The suspect aparently got control of another officer's gun and used it to fire the weapon.

WJW also reported that the airport was never closed and that the police were even able to mantain access to the affected ticket counters throuhgout the ordeal.

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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:40 am

Quoting Redngold (Reply 12):
He's not dying. He's in critical (meaning bad) but stable (better than "dying") condition and being closely monitored.

Actually that's incorrect... The AHA defintion is:

Critical: Vital signs are unstable and not within normal limits. Patient may be unconscious. Indicators are unfavorable.

AHA says "stable" should never be used in conjunction with any condition as it doesn't mean much... You can be dead but stable

[Edited 2006-04-28 00:42:36]
 
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:56 am

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 14):
AHA says "stable" should never be used in conjunction with any condition as it doesn't mean much... You can be dead but stable

While you are semantically correct, most hospitals will still tell you that a patient is in critical but stable condition if there are serious life-threatening injuries but the patient is not crashing at the moment and there's a favorable chance for improvement.

For all we know, the guy with the bite wound could be in just as bad shape - if the wound was infected (human bites being second only to cat bites in risk of serious infection.)

[Edited 2006-04-28 00:57:21]
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:23 pm

Okay, time to really get the homeless people out of the airport. Thank god the guy didn't start shooting passengers and agents.
 
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:27 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 16):
Okay, time to really get the homeless people out of the airport. Thank god the guy didn't start shooting passengers and agents.

WJW was reporting that the suspect purchased a $120 ticket to Chicago on United right before the shooting... I somewhat doubt that if the average homeless person happened to have $120, that their first thought would be "I'm flying to Chicago..."

But I don't know many homeless people, so I could be way off...

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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:35 pm

$120 dollars walk up to Chicago? That seems low. But regardless, the homeless are a big problem at CLE and if this doesn't prove it what does? Granted I doubt any of the others would do this kind of thing again, but who's to say? Maybe I can get some details at work Saturday, apparently he went to the Delta counter at least once so they might have some info.






Oh, and why is this guy free anyway? Drug trafficking, burglary, vehicular homicide.... he should have been locked up forever long ago.

[Edited 2006-04-28 05:36:54]
 
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:38 pm

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 17):
WJW was reporting that the suspect purchased a $120 ticket to Chicago on United right before the shooting... I somewhat doubt that if the average homeless person happened to have $120, that their first thought would be "I'm flying to Chicago..."

That's pretty cheap for a walk-up fare (thanks to WN). What was he so upset about?
 
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:40 pm

My curiosity is piqued wondering what sort of holster the cop had that allowed the suspect the remove the weapon . . .

I have a triple retention holster, and unless you're the damn Hulk, you aren't going to rip my weapon from the holster by pulling up, sidesways or forward on it . . . up and back, it'll pop right out.

Also, I'm guessing the officer didn't blade himself to the suspect?

From CNN: "Walker was not wearing a bulletproof vest."

Bad call . . .
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:12 pm

Well, it looks like there's some confusion. Some news sites say he's homeless, others don't... so I am now aware of this.. no flaming for my homeless bashing required.
 
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:28 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 18):
But regardless, the homeless are a big problem at CLE and if this doesn't prove it what does?

Really?? I fly to CLE regularly and have never noticed any vagrants although the Rapid Station has smelled of urine a couple of times. (Why, with free toilets nearby?) Is it a night time problem?

It's not politically correct, but I have to admit I like the crimes during which the obviously guilty "suspect" dies. Saves the expense and sanctimony of a trial.
 
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:54 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 22):
Is it a night time problem?

Night and early morning. I come in to work at 5AM and they're everywhere, taking up the majority of the seats in baggage claim. I'm sure the early morning America West arrival passengers love being greeted by that scene.
 
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:08 pm

Is the airport back up and running like normal? I have to go to North Carolina this afternoon, and I would hate to see it messed up.
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:05 pm

Yes, all is normal here this morning, you shouldn't have any problems. In fact, things hardly got out of control yesterday. No flights were delayed or cancelled, and the minor traffic jam that occured after they blocked off the upper roadway cleared up rather quickly as well.

Apparently the officer is going to make it, but he's not out of the woods yet. We all wish him the best.
 
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:43 pm

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 17):

I somewhat doubt that if the average homeless person happened to have $120, that their first thought would be "I'm flying to Chicago..."

just because a person is homeless, doesnt mean they might not have a job, i know many homeless people and some of them have decent jobs.

I myself was homeless for about a year, and not having to pay for rent or for a motel room, i was able to save up a good amount of money.
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:59 pm

just fyi...

he wasnt homeless. he lived in Willowick with his girlfriend. they showed the house on the news last night. they also interviewed a prior defense attorney of his who said this guy actually scared him. wasnt right in the head.


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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:18 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 22):
Really?? I fly to CLE regularly and have never noticed any vagrants although the Rapid Station has smelled of urine a couple of times. (Why, with free toilets nearby?) Is it a night time problem?

Try walking underground thru baggage claim at 5:00am. These deadbeats are the same ones who were stealing passenger's luggage right off the baggage carousels and taking RTA downtown and leaving the bags in the station after they took any items of value.

People probably thought this guy was homeless because there's so many of them hanging around that airport as it is.
 
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:21 pm

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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Sat Apr 29, 2006 12:04 am

as of the 11 a.m. News on WKYC channel 3, the officer shot is in Critical but stable condition
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Sat Apr 29, 2006 12:30 am

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 13):
Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 6):
I take it their is a difference?

I think it's more symantic than anything else; the armor is not truly bullet-proof, merely bullet-resistant (meaning that there's still the possibility that a bullet will get through, it's just lessened) from my understanding. "Body Armor" is easier on the mouth than "Bullet-Resistant Vest".

The difference is big, "body armor" is often a lighter kind of vest that stoppes puncture weapons like knives, and they take the main force of a bullet so that it does not penetrate that deep. A bullet proof vest made of kevlar is expensive, therefore lighter vests are usually equipped with steel plates over the heart and lungs. When I was in Bosnia we had body armor (flak jackets) with ceramic plates in them, weighing 20 kg total and those plates were 20 mm thick. Not so easy for a police officer to carry if on foot patrol for a full day.
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting JohnKrist (Reply 31):
The difference is big, "body armor" is often a lighter kind of vest that stoppes puncture weapons like knives, and they take the main force of a bullet so that it does not penetrate that deep. A bullet proof vest made of kevlar is expensive, therefore lighter vests are usually equipped with steel plates over the heart and lungs

Actually, body armor is the kind with Kevlar, and it is NOT puncture proof. It does, however, lessen the impact of a bullet. Steel plates need to be worn to make it puncture proof.
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RE: Shooting At CLE Airport

Sat Apr 29, 2006 7:15 pm

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 32):
Actually, body armor is the kind with Kevlar, and it is NOT puncture proof. It does, however, lessen the impact of a bullet. Steel plates need to be worn to make it puncture proof.

That is exactly what I wrote.
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