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How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:11 am

Does anyone have any info on how the CRJ-700 is performing for SkyWest in Aspen? Any weight restrictions; etc?
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:50 am

I knew a guy that flew on one last month. He said that it preformed nicely, but the aircraft wasn't even close to being full. I can't imagine a CRJ-700 being able to takeoff out of Aspen with a full load. I am very curious, anyone else have any info?
 
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 8:29 am

As of right now, UA has it working the RON. During these times, it performs quite nicely to DEN.
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 8:31 am

Quoting Phelpsie87 (Reply 1):
I can't imagine a CRJ-700 being able to takeoff out of Aspen with a full load.

Then how do all those 757's manage to get outta there?
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 8:58 am

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 3):
Then how do all those 757's manage to get outta there?

Since when does ASE have 757's?
 
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:06 am

ege gets all those 757's
 
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:15 am

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 3):
Then how do all those 757's manage to get outta there?

757s don't go into ASE. Used to be that the only airliner you'd see there was the BAe-146 (or Avro RJ, depending on the carrier), but now the CRJ700 has been added to the mix.

From what I've heard, it does have to take weight restrictions - limited to about 50 pax.

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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:10 am

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 3):
Then how do all those 757's manage to get outta there?

What? Nothing that big goes in there. Nice try.

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
757s don't go into ASE. Used to be that the only airliner you'd see there was the BAe-146 (or Avro RJ, depending on the carrier), but now the CRJ700 has been added to the mix.

From what I've heard, it does have to take weight restrictions - limited to about 50 pax.


Yeah that's what i figured.

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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:15 am

Sorry guys my bad I was thinking of EGE......
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:18 am

I should add the Dash-8 to the list, I think that plane did a few ASE-DEN routes.

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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:22 am

Any shots in the data base at ASE? What other flights does ASE have?
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:22 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 9):
I should add the Dash-8 to the list, I think that plane did a few ASE-DEN routes.

They still do, 6 of the 7 flights to ASE are Dash-8's.
 
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:15 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
From what I've heard, it does have to take weight restrictions - limited to about 50 pax.

Only if the weather is not good. I have looked at the flight several times...never seen it booked over 50, but ops always adds the limit numbers in the flight anyways, last time i checked it was limitted to 66 pax at about 3400 lb of cargo. Tonight the flight is limited to 66 pax and 2100 cargo, but it only went out with about 40 people or so.
 
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Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:28 pm

During mud season, there is going to be very limited demand in and out of ASE. This is the slowest time of the year, post ski season.
 
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Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:52 pm

ASE has service from US Airways Express/Mesa Airlines, with a daily Dash-8 to Phoenix.
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:45 pm

Hey how far apart are ASE & EGE?
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:56 pm

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 15):
Hey how far apart are ASE & EGE?

Just over 64 miles.
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:53 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 15):
Hey how far apart are ASE & EGE?

Just over 64 miles.

By air or by road? There's a big difference between the two in Colorado.

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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:58 am

I would think they could do the flights going into ASE with a full passenger load because fuel would have burned off inbound. Outbound is the problem.

right?
 
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Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:18 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 17):
By air or by road? There's a big difference between the two in Colorado.

The distance N1120A provided is by road, according to Mapquest:

http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...970%2d524%2d9490%7cUS&2qc=Airports

The GCM route is a little less than half of that, only 29 miles

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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:33 am

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 18):
I would think they could do the flights going into ASE with a full passenger load because fuel would have burned off inbound. Outbound is the problem.

right?

Well, inbound is not the problem, outbound is. So sure, they could go in to ASE with a full load, but what if they had execute go around at ASE? Climbing out with a full load is hard to do. Check out the terrain around ASE. Pilot's have to go from 8,000 feet to 14,000 right quick.
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:53 am

Quoting Phelpsie87 (Reply 20):
Well, inbound is not the problem, outbound is. So sure, they could go in to ASE with a full load, but what if they had execute go around at ASE? Climbing out with a full load is hard to do. Check out the terrain around ASE. Pilot's have to go from 8,000 feet to 14,000 right quick.

I guess the question then would be does the weight of the fuel burned off from DEN-ASE weigh more than 20 or so passengers?
 
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:00 am

Quoting Phelpsie87 (Reply 20):
they could go in to ASE with a full load, but what if they had execute go around at ASE? Climbing out with a full load is hard to do. Check out the terrain around ASE. Pilot's have to go from 8,000 feet to 14,000 right quick.

All of that has already been taken care of by the performance provider.
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:19 am

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 21):
I guess the question then would be does the weight of the fuel burned off from DEN-ASE weigh more than 20 or so passengers?

Yeah, I don't imagine the CRJ-700 going into ASE with full tanks. Do you think they might fill up every time they go back to DEN and not even bother with it in ASE? That way they have enough fuel to make it back, but are not adding the weight of additional fuel in ASE.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 22):
All of that has already been taken care of by the performance provider.

I guess it would have to be to perform at and airport like ASE. Good catch.
 
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Sat Apr 29, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting Phelpsie87 (Reply 11):
They still do, 6 of the 7 flights to ASE are Dash-8's.

Must be an off-season thing (or a "we don't have ZW's 146s anymore" thing). I flew DEN-ASE last winter on a 146, and there was another 146 scheduled for a half hour later, and another one for a half hour after that.

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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:14 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 24):
Must be an off-season thing (or a "we don't have ZW's 146s anymore" thing). I flew DEN-ASE last winter on a 146, and there was another 146 scheduled for a half hour later, and another one for a half hour after that.

My guess, its more a "we don't have 146's anymore" thing. I flew on a Dash-8 and I was surprised at how well it preformed.
 
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:55 am

I think it's more a mix of UA testing the aircraft out of ASE to see how it performs, and the fact that it's a slow season right now so they don't really need a 66 seater for 7 flights day.
 
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:49 am

Quoting OOer (Reply 12):
anyways, last time i checked it was limitted to 66 pax

66 is all the airplane carries, Chief.
 
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:53 am

Quoting Phelpsie87 (Reply 23):
Yeah, I don't imagine the CRJ-700 going into ASE with full tanks. Do you think they might fill up every time they go back to DEN and not even bother with it in ASE? That way they have enough fuel to make it back, but are not adding the weight of additional fuel in ASE.

Weight is weight, whether the plane lands in ASE with X amount of
fuel or they add fuel to bring it to X to depart. Mostly it's going
to be a matter of whether the go-around weight allows for the
fuel to be carried or bought so that people aren't left behind in DEN.
 
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:40 am

If it were me, I wouldn't tanker fuel into ASE, especially in the summer months.

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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:49 pm

Were the airlines required to execute a demo go-around with a CRJ-705, or did they get to start flying them in without that? The go-around requires spiraling within the canyon until you get up to 14000 feet, a challenging task even in a 146 or Dash-8.
 
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:44 am

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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Mon May 01, 2006 2:25 am

Quoting MSNtriathlete (Reply 30):
Were the airlines required to execute a demo go-around with a CRJ-705,

Yes, but in a 700 not a 705.
 
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Wed May 10, 2006 12:04 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
Just over 64 miles.



Quoting Mir (Reply 17):
By air or by road? There's a big difference between the two in Colorado.



Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 19):
The distance N1120A provided is by road, according to Mapquest:

64 miles of very rugged mountain driving including two trips over the Continental Divide, over Independance pass (being one of the worst in Colorado to drive) and back over another smaller pass westbound. It could easily take 3 hours to get between ASE and EGE by road.

Edit: I see Mapquest uses the Carbondale/Glenwood Springs route. I'd think this way would be much easier but it's still a 2 hour + trip.

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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Wed May 10, 2006 12:52 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 29):
If it were me, I wouldn't tanker fuel into ASE, especially in the summer months

Heck, if gas prices in Aspen are any indication of jet fuel prices...I sure as hell would taker fuel into ASE from DEN!  Wink

I'm kidding...I know it doesn't work that way.

When I lived in Aspen, I was told that gas was so darn expensive because it was the 'last stop' on the fuel tanker delivery route, and that the tanker had to return empty to the nearest depot. I think it's expensive because everything in Aspen is more expensive, fuel being no exception.

To keep on topic, flying those BEe-146s DEN-ASE-DEN sure was fun....
 
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Wed May 10, 2006 1:38 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 29):
If it were me, I wouldn't tanker fuel into ASE, especially in the summer months

Let me tell you something. I NEVER EVER sent a flight into ASE that wasn't round trip fueled sort of speak. I always made sure I had enough fuel to get back to DEN even on the best of days, and just about any ZW dispatcher will tell you the same thing. Cause one thing I learned from experience in ASE, even if it is 1000 scattered, if that cloud is in the wrong place, you will have to miss the approach into ASE. You have to be prepared for quickly changing weather in the valley, and I think thats even more important now that you have less experienced crews flying up the hill. Cause if ASE goes to hell without warning, as it often does, and you don't have enough fuel to get back to DEN, you have got big big problems.
 
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Wed May 10, 2006 1:43 pm

Quoting Apodino (Reply 35):
Cause if ASE goes to hell without warning, as it often does, and you don't have enough fuel to get back to DEN, you have got big big problems.

They can't just head over to EGE or GUC?
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Wed May 10, 2006 1:50 pm

Quoting Apodino (Reply 35):
Cause if ASE goes to hell without warning, as it often does, and you don't have enough fuel to get back to DEN, you have got big big problems

Last I checked you are required to have 45 mins of fuel on top of what your burn would be. So getting back to DEN would not be a problem...
Also EGE, MTJ, and GJT are all right there all under 90 nm away!!!

Quoting CWAFlyer (Reply 27):
Quoting OOer (Reply 12):
anyways, last time i checked it was limitted to 66 pax

66 is all the airplane carries, Chief.

Yeah I know. However the ones that DL will be running in there from SLC will be with 70 pax, I just wanted to make sure that everyone knew!!!!!
 
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Wed May 10, 2006 1:54 pm

Quoting Apodino (Reply 35):
I NEVER EVER sent a flight into ASE that wasn't round trip fueled sort of speak. I always made sure I had enough fuel to get back to DEN even on the best of days, and just about any ZW dispatcher will tell you the same thing.

That is a very good point, and something I overlooked.

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 36):
They can't just head over to EGE or GUC?

EGE is not much of an alternate - the approaches into there have pretty high minimums. As for GUC, it does have an ILS, but the minimums there are four times as high as a normal ILS. DEN would be the way to go - you can land there in pretty much anything, and if necessary, busing people from DEN to ASE would probably be faster (and easier) than from GUC to ASE.

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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Wed May 10, 2006 1:56 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 38):
As for GUC, it does have an ILS, but the minimums there are four times as high as a normal ILS.

The ILS in GUC only takes you down to 800 AGL.
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Wed May 10, 2006 1:58 pm

It was written on friday in the Aspen Times that 1 gal of jet fuel was $4.19....think about that before you fill up.....in town its $3.79 for your car and thats the cheep stuff, $3.99 for the high octaine.
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Wed May 10, 2006 2:00 pm

Quoting ASE747 (Reply 40):

Can anyone say "Price Gouging?" Even in Durango before I moved out it never got above $3.20 for regular.
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Wed May 10, 2006 2:01 pm

Quoting OOer (Reply 37):
Last I checked you are required to have 45 mins of fuel on top of what your burn would be.

Yes, but it's 45 minutes at CRUISE burn rates, which isn't anywhere near the burn rate used to perform a go-around, or missed missed approach, which puts the amount of fuel dangerously close to 0 if a missed approach and diversion were to occur.

Quoting Mir (Reply 38):
EGE is not much of an alternate - the approaches into there have pretty high minimums. As for GUC, it does have an ILS, but the minimums there are four times as high as a normal ILS.

GJT would be a better deal, but the rich and pampered want to land in a winter wonderland, and not the upper desert.
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RE: How's SkyWest Doing In Aspen, CO?

Wed May 10, 2006 2:13 pm

I just looked @ the flights on May 10 ASE-DEN & DEN-ASE on the 2 CRJ-700 flight that are running.
ASE-DEN
UA 6716 F 6-4 Y 60-66
UA 6742 F 6-5 Y 60-63
DEN-ASE
UA 6707 F 6-4 Y 60-38
UA 6680 F 6-2 Y 60-51

not bad numbers for "mud season" do remember ASE has one of the highest no-show factors in the UA system......
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