Lindy
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Whats New At IAD?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:29 am

IAD lost more airlines than gained. Which airline could possibly start flights out of IAD say in about 1-2 years?
From the top of my head we've lost Spanair, Swissair, Sabena, BMI, PIA, Sun Country, Independence Air, Northwest (DC-10 to AMS), and Transmeridian.
Got South African, MaxJet, KLM and Alitalia (Southwest coming this fall - woopty freaking doo).

From the photographer's point of view, IAD becomes everydays rutine airport. Send us something new to spice up our lives  Smile
Lately, I've been trying to avoid IAD at all costs, every day looks like previous day. Each weekend I'm looking for option to drive to another airport just to get away from IAD for few hours. Sometimes DCA looks more interesting than regular day at IAD.
I've heard rumors that Air India was interested in service to IAD. Is there any truth to it?
Construction on new runways will start shortly, two new huge FBOs hangars are almost done. In few years IAD will become business jet airport like TEB, instead growing as a gateway to the capitol city. Why there is need for 5 FBOs at IAD, and 2 (or 3) new runways?
Peak hour starts at 4:30pm with all departures leaving to Europe. All other times IAD is simmular to ghost town. Mesa ERJ - 20 minutes later, Colgan Saab 340 followed by Mesa CRJ.
With Indy Air gone, our airport became very lame, sure we've got some unusuall guests like RAF VC-10s, L1011s or Luftwaffe A310 and C-160s. But after a while you just don't care about it anymore.
I'm not complaining about IAD, (I could be stuck at BUF or ROC  Wink ), but give us something to be proud of that other airports have.  Smile
I would like to know what local folks and visiting spotters/photographers think about IAD.

Thanks,
Rafal
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The777Man
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RE: Whats New At IAD?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:00 am

I think AI is a likely new airline at IAD and perhaps PK will come back as well. Emirates is another airline to start service to IAD but probably after they start LAX, SFO, ORD...Perhaps EY or QR will choose IAD as their first US gateway ? Lots of demand to the middle east from here and also onwards to India/Pakistan.

At least you can look forward to OS 763s starting early Oct06 and OS 777s starting 25Mar07  Smile

IAD didn't lose NW but really gained KL. Also IAD lost F9.

Take Care

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RE: Whats New At IAD?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:02 am

From a facilities perspective, the airport is getting nicer every day. Even the C/D concourse is improving as paint, new carpet, and new lighting goes up.

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RE: Whats New At IAD?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:03 am

Well, not that it would help IAD a whole lot, but WN should start service in IAD this fall. They only are going to have 2 gates but it's a start.
 
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RE: Whats New At IAD?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:14 am

Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
At least you can look forward to OS 763s starting early Oct06 and OS 777s starting 25Mar07

I didn't know that OS was ditching their 332s and 343s? When did this happen? I know they ordered one more 772.

OS has one of the best 772 liveries in the world.
 
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RE: Whats New At IAD?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:05 am

Why did LX leave the IAD? Considering IAD is a major UA Star Alliance hub, one would think LH would want to complement its flights to FRA and MUC with LX flights to ZRH.

The arrival of OS with service to VIE should make IAD unbeatable with service to central/eastern Europe.

Also, when will all the crazy construction at IAD finally END? Everytime I fly from IAD, I always notice a new huge crater with elaborate scafolding and countless cranes/bulldozers etc. all over the place.

Also, waiting until 2012 to finally ride the Metro to IAD seems waaay to long.
 
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RE: Whats New At IAD?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:21 am

OS is not getting rid of their 332s; only their 342s (one already gone). They have transferred the 777s and 763s from Lauda to Austrian. The 763s already go to JFK on some flights and will soon to go IAD. Originally, 763s were to start 5May06 but has been delayed...

OS will get their fourth 777 late this year and will therefore start 777 service to IAD. Of course things could change....OS has flown to IAD for quite a while, probably about ten years or so. First with A310s and later with 330s and 340s.

Another new develpoment at IAD is that SA will fly their 346s here starting early July. Nice to see something different.

LX left IAD over two years ago and UA started service ZRH about six months later or so. Therefore, I don't see LX returning to IAD soon unless UA stops ZRH.

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RE: Whats New At IAD?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:07 am

Quoting Lindy (Thread starter):
With Indy Air gone, our airport became very lame

oh yeah... all those FLYi CRJ's really spiced things up....  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Whats New At IAD?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:46 am

Where are the 5 FBO's. The new hangers are that are being constructed are a joint venture with SFS and a local developer
 
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RE: Whats New At IAD?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:48 am

Quoting Lindy (Thread starter):
From the top of my head we've lost

Don't forget the soon-to-be-suspended AS.

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 5):
Why did LX leave the IAD? Considering IAD is a major UA Star Alliance hub, one would think LH would want to complement its flights to FRA and MUC with LX flights to ZRH.

Before LX joined *Alliance, they competed with UA on this route. Now they just codeshare on UA's ZRH flight. Given LX's long-haul aircraft shortage, that makes a lot of sense.

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 5):
The arrival of OS with service to VIE should make IAD unbeatable with service to central/eastern Europe.

Um, hasn't OS been at IAD for years? I wanted to go to SYD on US miles a few years ago, and the only way I could go business class was to go IAD-VIE-KUL-SYD on Austrian and return SYD-SFO-ORD-IAD on UA. I ended up passing on the flight.
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RE: Whats New At IAD?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:11 pm

Quoting BDL2DCA (Reply 9):
Um, hasn't OS been at IAD for years?

Yes, Austrian has been flying to IAD for years......330s and 340s. It's a popular flight for diplomats and NGOs going to the middle east, eastern Europe and former Soviet republics. Tons of connecting passengers to and from United flights. The only change will be the type of aircraft. Makes sense for them to downsize to a 763 during the winter months.
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RE: Whats New At IAD?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:59 pm

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 10):
Makes sense for them to downsize to a 763 during the winter months.

Actually, OS's 763s and 332 have almost identical configurations so there's no "downsizing" except possibly for the amount of cargo they can carry on the 763s.

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RE: Whats New At IAD?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:04 pm

Quoting LH417AF025 (Reply 7):
oh yeah... all those FLYi CRJ's really spiced things up....

If you spend 8 to 10 hours a day at IAD spotting you will know what I mean. Now gaps between arrivals are 20 minutes! That is unbeliveble. At least when Indy was still around we had mix of Airbuses and CRJs arriving every 3-5 minutes. It was fun with them.

Quoting BDL2DCA (Reply 9):
Before LX joined *Alliance, they competed with UA on this route. Now they just codeshare on UA's ZRH flight. Given LX's long-haul aircraft shortage, that makes a lot of sense.

Thats not really the case. United and Swissair (later Crossair and Swiss) never competed on IAD-ZRH route. Swissair was the only airline flying it after UA pulled from that flight in early to mid 90s. All SR flights were always full. I took them 3 times myself. Even on X-mass day the plane was full.
The thing is that SR wasn't making any money on the route charging bottom prices for tickets. In 2001 came 9/11 which kicked SR in the balls. LX took them over and they continued to fly to IAD as late as October 2002 (from my fainting memory). With the winter schedule of 2002/03 United saw the gap and started flying there with B763. They took the slack and passengers from SR/LX for good. Unfortunately for us photographers, this flight is doing very well for UAL, and we can't expect to see LX any time soon at IAD.

Quoting BDL2DCA (Reply 9):
Don't forget the soon-to-be-suspended AS.

Alaska has only one daily flight to IAD which arrives at 6am. It wont have any afects on photographers  Smile

Take care,
Rafal
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RE: Whats New At IAD?

Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:06 pm

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 5):
Also, waiting until 2012 to finally ride the Metro to IAD seems waaay to long.

Try 2015- that is if the idots building the extension ever decide how they are going to build through the Tysons Corner area- talk about a clusterf**k...

I'm actually flying out of IAD tomorrow on UAX, and am hoping when I return that Terminal A will be open again- I am interested to see what UA's done with the place

Quoting Lindy (Thread starter):
Sometimes DCA looks more interesting than regular day at IAD.

I agree- I live 5 miles from IAD, and find DCA more interesting most of the time.

All I want to see at IAD is better low-cost options to the NY area- I know it is something of a pipe dream, but one can wish, right?
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