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Oops No Flaps Takeoff DC-4

Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:11 pm

Hey Everyone,
I came across this video the other day and as I was watching it I noticed that the pilot chose a 0 degree flap setting for takeoff. As I am not familiar with DC-4 procedures I thought it was probably normal (Like an A300). As the airplane begins the very looooong takeoff roll the camera pans away from the wing, and a few seconds later the aircraft rotates. Once airborne the camera pans back to the wing, and it shows that the flaps were extended probably just prior or during rotation.
The only thing I can think of is that these guys were not going to clear the end of the runway and added some flap at the last second just to do so. This would also explain the very shallow climb out. Tell me what you guys think.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/video_streaming.php?id=5470

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RE: Oops No Flaps Takeoff DC-4

Fri Apr 28, 2006 3:46 pm

Hi LH463!

First of all let me tell you that the video you shared with us is absolutely fantastic, great piece of art and the noise of those engines and all related with this old airliner is just great! But the plane actually is not a DC-4, it's a DC-6. Regarding the take-off and taking in mind what I've seen in the summer of 2003 at FAT when I saw some old airliners water-bombers flying out of this airport ( C-54's/DC-6/DC-7's ) I think those old airliners didn't need a lot of flaps for take-off, normally they would built speed on the runway and then then gently the plane started to "leave" the ground in a very flat attitude and then slowly they would climb. You can see this in this video, looks that the plane just leave the ground and then you can see some flap used but only when the plane is well off the ground. I think this procedure was also donne in a way to avoid the tail stricking the runway or ground.
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RE: Oops No Flaps Takeoff DC-4

Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:01 pm

Canadian Airlines lost one back in the 1950's doing a no flaps takeoff at Cold Bay Alaska.

I stood on the wing of that airplane wreck.

The problem is not taking off without flaps, the problem is taking off either when flaps are appropriate or you think you have them set.
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RE: Oops No Flaps Takeoff DC-4

Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:32 pm

great video thanks for the Post!!
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RE: Oops No Flaps Takeoff DC-4

Sat Apr 29, 2006 12:02 am

One of the best aviation clips I've ever seen.. those sounds!!
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RE: Oops No Flaps Takeoff DC-4

Mon May 01, 2006 6:11 am

It indeed is a Six and not a Four. Have you ever seen a C-54 or DC-4 with spinners? The sounds were great. It takes me back to 1968 and my last flight on a DC-6, and to 1973, and my last flight on any radial powered airplane, the Martin 404.
 
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RE: Oops No Flaps Takeoff DC-4

Mon May 01, 2006 6:33 am

Great...simply great video. Did you notice all the prop planes in the background
during taxi? It was like we were back in the twilight zone. My fav was the C-46 and I noticed two of them.
Great video. This grey hair loves the props and the planes of yesterday.
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RE: Oops No Flaps Takeoff DC-4

Mon May 01, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 2):
I stood on the wing of that airplane wreck.

Since your profile says you're younger than the accident may I assume that the wreckage still lays at the crash site?

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RE: Oops No Flaps Takeoff DC-4

Mon May 01, 2006 12:42 pm

Yeah the video really is great, and yeah sorry it is a DC-6, but does any one have an answer to the post?
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RE: Oops No Flaps Takeoff DC-4

Mon May 01, 2006 12:53 pm

Quoting IDAWA (Reply 7):
Since your profile says you're younger than the accident may I assume that the wreckage still lays at the crash site?

You assume correctly. There isn't much left though. There is a river that runs through the sight and over the years have claimed much of the aluminum.
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