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How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:46 pm

Good evening I was just wondering how many U.S. cities have direct London service. It seems that you can get there non-stop from any major city in the states. Does anyone know which, if any major cities do not have non-stop service to London?
 
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:50 pm

Which are you asking about? Direct service? Or non-stop service? There's a difference.

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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:56 pm

Looks like PDX, HNL, and ANC don't.
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:00 pm

SAN, IND, STL, MSY, HNL, PIT, PHX, MEM do not have non-stop service, at least in May 2006. All can be considered major cities. Also Kansas City, the AUS/SAT region.
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:00 pm

MEM and BNA do not.

Doesn't American fly to London from RDU?
 
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:04 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 1):

Sorry I was asking about nonstop service specifically.
 
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:05 pm

PHX has daily non-stop British Airways service to London-Heathrow on a 747-400.
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:06 pm

Quoting JetBlueLuv (Reply 4):
Doesn't American fly to London from RDU?

Yes, BOS, RDU, JFK, LAX, DFW, MIA, ORD, no longer STL.
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:07 pm

RNO, OAK (maybe some charter), SJC, MCI(?)
 
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:09 pm

I'm bored so here goes.
My guess (22 non-stops):

BOS
NYC
EWR
PHL
BWI
IAD
CLT
ATL
MCO
MIA
CVG
DTW
CLE
ORD
MSP
DFW
IAH
DEN
PHX
LAS
LAX
SFO
SEA
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:11 pm

Quoting Dreamflight767 (Reply 8):
OAK (maybe some charter), SJC

Those are airports, but the market is served.

He asked about which Cities, and I assume he meant markets, since technically, San Francisco has no flights, Dallas has no flights, Chicago has no flights, Cincinnati has no flights...
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:12 pm

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 6):
PHX has daily non-stop British Airways service to London-Heathrow on a 747-400.

It isn't daily. That's why I missed it. I was checking wednesdays and it doesn't seem to fly PHX-LON on wed. But it does fly on Friday.
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:14 pm

Quoting JetBlueLuv (Reply 4):
Doesn't American fly to London from RDU?

Yes, and it is highly subsidized by drug makers.

Current US-LON flights:

LAX-LHR (UA, AA, NZ, BA, VS)
SFO-LHR (UA, VS, BA)
SEA-LHR (BA)
LAS-LGW (VS)
PHX-LHR (BA)
DEN-LHR (BA)
DFW-LGW (AA, BA)
IAH-LGW (BA, CO)
ORD-LHR (UA, BA, AA)
MSP-LGW (NW)
DTW-LHR (BA)
DTW-LGW (NW)
JFK-LHR (UA, AA, BA, VS, AI, KU)
EWR-LHR (BA, VS)
EWR-LGW (CO)
JFK-STN (MY, E0)
BOS-LHR (AA, BA, VS)
IAD-LHR (UA, BA, VS)
BWI-LHR (BA)
PHL-LHR (BA)
PHL-LGW (US)
MIA-LHR (BA, VS, AA)
MCO-LGW (BA, VS)
TPA-LGW (BA)
ATL-LGW (BA, DL)
CLT-LGW (US)

I think that should be everything, but I may have missed something
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:15 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
It isn't daily. That's why I missed it. I was checking wednesdays and it doesn't seem to fly PHX-LON on wed. But it does fly on Friday.

PHX-LHR is 6 days per week
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:18 pm

I think CO has at least seasonal 757 service from CLE-LGW. Is there a CVG-LGW DL flight?
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:18 pm

Thanks for the responses. It must be the most served nonstop destination overseas from the states.
 
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:19 pm

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 14):
I think CO has at least seasonal 757 service from CLE-LGW. Is there a CVG-LGW DL flight?

Sorry, totally missed that.

CLE-LGW (CO, seasonal)
CVG-LGW (DL)
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:26 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
SAN, IND, STL, MSY, HNL, PIT, PHX, MEM do not have non-stop service, at least in May 2006. All can be considered major cities. Also Kansas City, the AUS/SAT region.

You can also throw SLC and PDX into that mix as well. I think SAN gets a BA flight once or twice per week to LGW. Both SLC and PDX are larger markets than MEM or MSY.
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:28 pm

I thought PDX and SAN used to have BA service, but that was pulled in the past few years.
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:51 pm

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 17):
SAN, IND, STL, MSY, HNL, PIT, PHX, MEM do not have non-stop service, at least in May 2006.

PHX does - all year on a BA 747.
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:57 pm

Quoting Amhilde (Reply 18):
I thought PDX and SAN used to have BA service, but that was pulled in the past few years.

SAN did have service, but it was pulled. I don't know of any BA service to PDX, and there are no pictures that I can find.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 17):
I think SAN gets a BA flight once or twice per week to LGW.

No, they don't. SAN had daily and near-daily service, but that was cut a few years ago. Also, the flights were transfered to LHR

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 17):
Both SLC and PDX are larger markets than MEM or MSY.

Actually, while the Portland metro area is larger than Greater New Orleans by about 650,000 people, the Salt Lake Metro Area contains about 250,000 fewer people
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:05 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
Actually, while the Portland metro area is larger than Greater New Orleans by about 650,000 people, the Salt Lake Metro Area contains about 250,000 fewer people

Not to mention the fact that London-New Orleans service would have far greater market potential than London-Salt Lake (and likely PDX since they already have a FRA flight). The only thing that SLC would have going for it is the fact that it's a DL hub, but the local O&D traffic from there to London would be minimal at best. Still, I don't forsee service to ANY of the three mentioned markets from London within the next several years...especially SLC/PDX...MSY is supposed to be quite the booming market over the next few years so we'll see what pans out.
 
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:08 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
IAH-LGW (BA, CO)

+ IAH-ORD-LHR (BA)
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:13 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 21):
Not to mention the fact that London-New Orleans service would have far greater market potential than London-Salt Lake (and likely PDX since they already have a FRA flight). The only thing that SLC would have going for it is the fact that it's a DL hub, but the local O&D traffic from there to London would be minimal at best. Still, I don't forsee service to ANY of the three mentioned markets from London within the next several years...especially SLC/PDX...MSY is supposed to be quite the booming market over the next few years so we'll see what pans out.

Sorry, but New Orleans is a $$$ poor declining market dealt a lethal blow by Katrina. 27 years ago SLC lured the NBA Jazz from there, just maybe they might steal the NFL Saints, and being one of the high growth MSA's in the USA, the Wasatch Front will get direct LGW or LHR service into SLC long before they ever put it into MSY! SLC would be a far greater return for ANY carrier than MSY.
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:23 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
PHX-LHR is 6 days per week

That explains it. So they just don't run wednesdays.

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 22):
+ IAH-ORD-LHR (BA)

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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:45 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 23):
Sorry, but New Orleans is a $$$ poor declining market dealt a lethal blow by Katrina. 27 years ago SLC lured the NBA Jazz from there, just maybe they might steal the NFL Saints, and being one of the high growth MSA's in the USA, the Wasatch Front will get direct LGW or LHR service into SLC long before they ever put it into MSY! SLC would be a far greater return for ANY carrier than MSY.

The city was not dealt a death blow. Things are on the up and up here. Hardly the "poor, declining market" that you think it is. In fact we just landed our 2nd Fortune 500 company. Not bad for a dead city, eh? I can get started talking about the large corporations that have good-sized offices here and what not, but I wouldn't want to ruin the notion that SLC is a better market for ya.

And come on...the SLC Saints? Thanks for making my day! I needed a good laugh!

The ONLY reason SLC would EVER get a London flight (or any Europe flight) would be due to the DL hub. Period. Not enough O&D traffic...not even close...and not a great deal of tourism besides skiing.
 
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:49 am

Don't forget SFB-London, on various carriers.
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:08 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 25):
And come on...the SLC Saints? Thanks for making my day! I needed a good laugh!

The Utah Jazz sounds funny, too.

I agree that New Orleans has a place in international tourism. I was surprised that BA or VS or someone didn't fly there from LGW, but I guess it's easier to just connect to partners in EWR, ORD, ATL, DFW, IAH, etc.
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:36 am

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 6):
PHX has daily non-stop British Airways service to London-Heathrow on a 747-400

- I thought it was more like X3 or X4 times a week, not a daily.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
Chicago has no flights

- ORD isn't in the city limits of Chicago? I thought I saw uniformed C.P.D. officers there the last time I went through there.
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:01 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 1):
Direct service? Or non-stop service? There's a difference

What is the difference?
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:17 am

Quoting Flamedude707 (Reply 29):
What is the difference?

LIT-ORD-LHR is a direct flight. It stops in Chicago, but continues on to London. So there's direct service to London from Little Rock. The ORD-LHR portion is non-stop.

LAX-LHR is a nonstop flight.

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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:53 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
ORD-LHR (UA, BA, AA)

Don't forget AI is on that route, too.

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 28):
- ORD isn't in the city limits of Chicago? I thought I saw uniformed C.P.D. officers there the last time I went through there.

Both ORD and MDW are in fact INSIDE Chicago city limits...in the case with ORD, take a look on a map of the city of Chicago, and you'll see a little line on the northwest side and than a big blob...that big blob is ORD...specifically designed to be inside the city of Chicago. Take a look at it here.

[Edited 2006-04-30 01:55:42]
 
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:21 am

Why does CLE have ONE european route...never really got it...
 
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:34 am

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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:43 am

How many UK, Ireland Cities have Flights non-stop to the USA ???

London,Glasgow,Edinburgh ,Birmingham, Manchester, Bristol, Belfast,Dublin, Shannon, Cardiff ??? Whats Next ???
 
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:58 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
SAN, IND, STL, MSY, HNL, PIT, PHX, MEM do not have non-stop service, at least in May 2006. All can be considered major cities. Also Kansas City, the AUS/SAT region.

THe biggest cities in the US without service to London are SAN, SAT, and SJC.
 
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:24 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 30):
So there's direct service to London from Little Rock. The ORD-LHR portion is non-stop.

No, that is not the definition of direct service.

Direct service is one flight number through flight from one city to another.

IAH-ORD-LHR is, in fact, a direct flight. It is just a not a non-stop flight.

To fly Little Rock to LHR, you must make a connection between two distinct flights.

Quoting SW733 (Reply 31):
Both ORD and MDW are in fact INSIDE Chicago city limits...

I forgot that Chicago did this incorporation, similar to what Houston did with IAH. It's a bit of semantics though, because just drawing a boundary around it doesn't make it any closer to downtown.

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 35):
SJC

Come on, people. SJC is an airport, San Jose is not isolated.

SFO serves San Jose internationally, AA's NRT flight aside. You don't have to get on a plane at SJC then connect somewhere else to fly to London, thus San Jose is not on this list.
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:10 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 36):
Come on, people. SJC is an airport, San Jose is not isolated.

Its also a big city... check the list. Look at where San Francisco is on the list. A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE ON THE PLANES TO EUROPE ARE FROM SAN JOSE. WHY DO WE GOT TO DRIVE UP THERE FOR EVERY SINGLE INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT? Can't we just have one of those flights?? Do we have to wait till SFO max's out?

BIGGEST CITIES
New York, New York (pop 8,084,316)
Los Angeles, California (pop 3,798,981)
Chicago, Illinois (pop 2,886,251)
Houston, Texas (pop 2,009,834)
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (pop 1,492,231)
Phoenix, Arizona (pop 1,371,960)
San Diego, California (pop 1,259,532)
Dallas, Texas (pop 1,211,467)
San Antonio, Texas (pop 1,194,222)
Detroit, Michigan (pop 925,051)
San Jose, California (pop 900,443) <----- BIGGER THAN SAN FRANCISCO
Indianapolis, Indiana (pop 783,612)
San Francisco, California (pop 764,049)
 
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:13 am

Sorry, I just noticed the list is obsolete. San Jose is now bigger than Detroit.
 
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:18 am

Quoting TwoLz2Rn (Reply 32):
Why does CLE have ONE european route...never really got it...

Because the "hub" carrier CO, places the vast majority of assets and energy into EWR and IAH.
 
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:13 pm

Twenty four US markets have service to London:

1) Boston
2) New York Newark
3) New York JFK
4) Philadelphia
5) Baltimore
6) Washington Dulles
7) Raleigh Durham
8) Charlotte
9) Atlanta
10) Tampa
11) Orlando
12) Miami
13) Dallas Ft Worth
14) Cleveland (seasonal)
15) Cincinnati
16) Detroit
17) Chicago (O'Hare)
18) Minneapolis St Paul
19) Houston Intercontinental
20) Denver
21) Phoenix
22) Los Angeles
23) San Francisco
24) Seattle Tacoma

Cities that once had nonstop service...

25) San Diego
26) St Louis
27) New Orleans
28) Pittsburgh
29) Anchorage
30) Nashville

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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:14 pm

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 37):
Its also a big city... check the list. Look at where San Francisco is on the list. A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE ON THE PLANES TO EUROPE ARE FROM SAN JOSE. WHY DO WE GOT TO DRIVE UP THERE FOR EVERY SINGLE INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT? Can't we just have one of those flights?? Do we have to wait till SFO max's out?

BIGGEST CITIES
New York, New York (pop 8,084,316)
Los Angeles, California (pop 3,798,981)
Chicago, Illinois (pop 2,886,251)
Houston, Texas (pop 2,009,834)
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (pop 1,492,231)
Phoenix, Arizona (pop 1,371,960)
San Diego, California (pop 1,259,532)
Dallas, Texas (pop 1,211,467)
San Antonio, Texas (pop 1,194,222)
Detroit, Michigan (pop 925,051)
San Jose, California (pop 900,443) <----- BIGGER THAN SAN FRANCISCO
Indianapolis, Indiana (pop 783,612)
San Francisco, California (pop 764,049)

Markets are defined not by city population, but metro area population. This list is very misleading with respect to market sizes. Boston and Seattle for instance, are both much larger markets than Indianapolis, San Antonio, and San Diego because their metro areas are considerably larger. Many of these cities have massive areas and constitute most of their own metropolitan areas (San Antonio, Indianapolis and Houston for example).

As for international carriers serving SFO and not SJC...I think the fact that SFO offers much more in the way of facilities, connection opportunities and overall traffic than SJC makes it the obvious choice for international carriers, although you can make a case for new international flights to SJC because of Silicone Valley.
 
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:30 pm

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 35):
THe biggest cities in the US without service to London are SAN, SAT, and SJC.

Wouldn't PIT be considered larger than SAT? I can't even imagine SAT being larger.
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:35 pm

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 42):
Wouldn't PIT be considered larger than SAT? I can't even imagine SAT being larger.

If you consider the M.S.A. population it would be. I think SAT has between 1 and 2 million, while PIT has 2.4 million roughly...
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:02 pm

Quoting JetBlueLuv (Reply 4):
Doesn't American fly to London from RDU?



Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
Yes, and it is highly subsidized by drug makers.

That's the only reason that a 777 is what is used and not a 767. The drug maker would buy out the hole flight and still need more seats. The two heads of both co. run into each other and two week later there was a 777 at RDU. But that's what a guy that worked for AA for 30 years told me.

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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:12 pm

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 41):
Boston and Seattle for instance, are both much larger markets than Indianapolis, San Antonio, and San Diego because their metro areas are considerably larger.

I guess it depends upon where the marketing people think the market is, but San Diego is really not service well because of the inadequate airport.

San Diego County 3.7 Milli > King + Pierce County 2.4 Million
San Diego County + Orange 6.7 Million > Washington State 6.2 Million

I will be interested to see if some new city pairs really do open up with the B787 begins service, or if this Point-Point thing is just a bunch of hot air. If SAN and SJC don't get a couple more international flights, than I think the HUB model is probably what is really going on.
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:14 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
Actually, while the Portland metro area is larger than Greater New Orleans by about 650,000 people, the Salt Lake Metro Area contains about 250,000 fewer people

Not true at all. Being a former citizen of Salt Lake I know for a fact that the Salt Lake area and Metro area has over 1,000,000 people. But as well as the population, Delta's huge presence there add to my confusion of why there is no non stop service to London or Paris from Salt Lake.

SOURCE http://www.saltlakecityutah.org/aboutsaltlake.htm

[Edited 2006-04-30 06:19:38]
 
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:24 pm

Quoting Skip17 (Reply 46):
Delta's huge presence there add to my confusion of why there is no non stop service to London or Paris from Salt Lake.

If there was demand, I'm quite sure DL would add it. Problem is, I'm not sure that SLC is even considered a U.S-London gateway city under Bermuda 2. I don't even think it is an alternate city.

SLC-CDG with an AF codeshare seems more likely than London, but even that is doubtful to be added anytime soon.
 
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RE: How Many U.S. Cities Have Direct London Service

Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:30 pm

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 38):
Sorry, I just noticed the list is obsolete. San Jose is now bigger than Detroit.

Is that because DTW's population is shrinking due to murders?
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:31 pm

It was considered and applied for but the slot was given to Raleigh, North Carolina and AA. The Salt Lake Valley has 2 fortune 500 companies and a number of others within the fortune 1,000 bracket. Skiing is a very large attraction. Park City (20 min from SLC) alone has pulled in many international visitors since the Olympics. I don't believe MSY is a hub to any major airline.