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More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Mon May 01, 2006 8:28 pm

Ive been told from an EI employee that two more A330s (not the two currently on order) will be arriving soon. Ive heard this from a few other sources also. EI have recently started recruiting for pilots again for the first time in ages so it looks like something might be happening. Also, more A320s (up to 10) to arrive by next year.
 
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Mon May 01, 2006 8:34 pm

Sounds like things may be looking up for EI once again, Its great to see expansion like this happening after such a hard time post 9/11.  Smile
 
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Mon May 01, 2006 9:13 pm

Well DM did say he wanted Aer Lingus to have a fleet of 42 short-haul aircraft. The A330s are needed but I was not expecting any type of order or rumor that Aer Lingus would be getting any aircraft soon. Could this just be what will happen if EI get money from privatisation.
 
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Mon May 01, 2006 9:23 pm

I have heard the same rumour about the A330s,supposed to be a cancelled order,that has been made available to EI,I believe the registration EI-DEX,has been reserved for 1 of the aircraft, other aircraft I heard are to be 8 x A319s,as since the disposal of the 737-500s,the A320s are too big for some routes,EI are also looking at using A319s for some longer european routes,like perhaps Dublin to Moscow.
 
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Mon May 01, 2006 9:34 pm

Actually, I think this is to happen before privatisation; as far as I can tell, from the rumours going around, these are not new build aircraft, but aircraft that the airline has sourced. It is to get another A320 next month (EI-DET) and another is on order; the delivery of the latter will bring the fleet to 29 units, if my counting is correct (?!)

Once privatisation has taken place, EI should be able to raise the funds to being the long haul fleet renewal process pretty soon after that, so we'll be seeing a team flying in from Chicago ... (hopefully, or - less optimistically, a team come in from Toulouse).

Of course, a lot depends on what happens with Open Skies; unfortunately, the issue is complicated by something totally outside EI's power - access to LHR. A senior CO bod, Mr. Smisek (?) came to DUB recently to announce new Irish routes (a doubling of flights, two daily from SNN/DUB to EWR, all with 757s - thanks guys!), and hinted that it all depended on the Brits guaranteeing access to LHR.

Well, if anyone thinks EI is going to be held back by something like that, they have another thing coming and better still, it looks as if the Irish DoT agrees. Comrade Minister has already said that if there is a delay to Open Skies, he will seek direct negotiations with the Americans. It's important, with privatisation imminent, that investors are clear that there are defined and available paths for long haul expansion and that these are not obstructed by regulatory issues - particularly ones irrelevant to EI.)

The future is looking good for EI. Can't wait to hear more about those new 330s, although disappointed that the new -300 will be a -301, not a higher gross weight model.
 
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Mon May 01, 2006 9:38 pm

I thought that EI would think about more A321's. They used to be used mostly on DUB-LHR or ORK-LHR but now the A321's are seen on routes to Poland, Spain and even Germany, I'm sure a few more wouldn't hurt. I agree that A319's would be good for the 737-500 replacements and Aer Lingus should think about them.
 
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Mon May 01, 2006 9:44 pm

Are these new A330 leased or purchased outright? Also, is EI still evaluating the 787 and A350?
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Mon May 01, 2006 9:46 pm

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 6):
Also, is EI still evaluating the 787 and A350?

I'm sure they are and with the 787-10 creating interest it is still a close battle between Airbus and Boeing.
 
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Mon May 01, 2006 10:06 pm

I would hope at this stage that it's pretty clear to EI that the 787 is streets ahead; only today, EK's Tim Clarke has told Airbus (in as many words) that the A350 in its present form wasn't the aircraft they wanted. Within the next fortnight, SQ's long awaited order will be expected. Now, of course, different airlines have different requirements and EI has its own, just like any other carrier, but when you get most of the world's blue chip carriers choosing the 787, it has to raise questions.

Also, given that the order for new aircraft is the first one that a newly privatised Aer Lingus will make - effectively its first major decision as a privatised company, it won't look good if they're going for an airline most airlines have rated second best.

Much as I welcome EI ordering more A330s, I hope they're not being tied into any commitment to order A350s.

The other query I had was this; it was mentioned (by Shamrock350, I think) that the new A330s are part of a cancelled order; I wonder if these are part of the cancelled EK order for A340-600s. I can't think of any airline that has cancelled A330s, but since the 340/330 share a common production line and it's extremely unlikely that even a majority of these slots can be sold as 340s, Airbus is probably trying to fill these production slots as best it can.
 
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Mon May 01, 2006 10:13 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 8):
The other query I had was this; it was mentioned (by Shamrock350, I think) that the new A330s are part of a cancelled order; I wonder if these are part of the cancelled EK order for A340-600s.

It was Pelican22   but I was thinking the same thing about the EK A340-600s I suppose it is possible that they are from the EK cancellation and maybe thats how Aer Lingus will/might get these new A330's so quickly.

What would Aer Lingus do if Airbus redesigned the A350 to an aircraft better than the 787 it might be a few years late but whats more important, a great late 350 or an early good 787. Aer Lingus would only miss out on about three years if the A350 is redesigned. Althought at first I was leaning to A350 I am more of a fan of the 787 and I would like to see EI have the best aircraft they can get.

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Tue May 02, 2006 1:54 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 8):
I would hope at this stage that it's pretty clear to EI that the 787 is streets ahead; only today, EK's Tim Clarke has told Airbus (in as many words) that the A350 in its present form wasn't the aircraft they wanted

What have EK's requirements got to do with EI's?
 
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Tue May 02, 2006 2:19 am

Quoting Pelican22 (Reply 3):
I believe the registration EI-DEX,has been reserved for 1 of the aircraft

EI-DEX is a 146-300 currently operated by CityJet.
 
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Tue May 02, 2006 3:50 am

I'd expect EI-DXB and EI-SFO to be reserved for the new A330s; they tend to use new aircraft! They tend to use new destinations for registrations.
 
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Tue May 02, 2006 5:34 am

Sorry Greenjet,got the reg wrong,but I am told the first of these new sourced A330s is supposed to arrive at the end of this month.
 
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Tue May 02, 2006 6:11 am

With regards to new long-haul routes for EI, they have updated their contact details on their website. They now have representatives in the following countries:

Hong Kong
Thailand
India
Japan
Australia

Look at their website under 'About Us' and 'Contact Info'.

Could this be a sign that routes are to be started in the above countries??? Fingers Crossed!!!
 
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Tue May 02, 2006 6:51 am

Quoting Pelican22 (Reply 13):
Sorry Greenjet,got the reg wrong,but I am told the first of these new sourced A330s is supposed to arrive at the end of this month.

Its looking good then. Rather then coming direct from airbus, I suspect these 330 cancelations are coming from a lessor, ie their original lease contracts have been canceled. I cant see airbus coughing up new A330s at such notice. So that will be 11 in the fleet by next summer.
 
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Tue May 02, 2006 11:59 am

Maybe will see a DUB-HKG-SYD route or something along thoes lines.
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Tue May 02, 2006 2:31 pm

EI is a hopeless airline. When I saw the thread title, I was hoping that they were getting a fleet of charter buses. I'd be doubtful of there ability to even handle buses, though.
 
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Tue May 02, 2006 5:59 pm

Quoting Bestpilot (Reply 17):
EI is a hopeless airline. When I saw the thread title, I was hoping that they were getting a fleet of charter buses. I'd be doubtful of there ability to even handle buses, though.

This is my nomination for "silly post of the month".

What is this statement based on? Is it hopeless because it is NOT in ch.11??

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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Tue May 02, 2006 8:05 pm

Quoting Eirjet (Reply 18):
Is it hopeless because it is NOT in ch.11??

well if you think of all the money that EI is wasting on paying it's bills.... i see no future for them  bomb 
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Tue May 02, 2006 9:14 pm

Dis-regrading the off-topic and irrelavent posts, does anyone have any idea of where these new aircraft are likely to serve - Is it possible that they will be put into service on one of the routes currently served (ie Dubai) while other aircraft are being re-fitted ?? Or is it like that they will serve new destinations ?
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Tue May 02, 2006 9:39 pm

If EI are to launch any new lh destinations this summer this will be extremely short notice. What Im wondering is where the hell these planes would come from. I dont know of any cancelations that would allow for A330s in the coming weeks.
 
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Tue May 02, 2006 9:51 pm

What about GLA does the A321 operate on this route same with EDI .
 
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Tue May 02, 2006 10:00 pm

Quoting Pelican22 (Reply 13):
Sorry Greenjet,got the reg wrong,but I am told the first of these new sourced A330s is supposed to arrive at the end of this month.

Is this true? How did they get the aircraft so fast and when is the second aircraft due to arrive? I wonder what they are going to do with these aircraft if they are to be delivered at the end of the month because the route schedules are already done for the summer.

Anybody got any ideas?
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Tue May 02, 2006 10:26 pm

Quoting Shamrocka330 (Reply 23):
Is this true? How did they get the aircraft so fast and when is the second aircraft due to arrive? I wonder what they are going to do with these aircraft if they are to be delivered at the end of the month because the route schedules are already done for the summer.

Anybody got any ideas?

Ive a feeling there might have been some confusion at the source of the roumers, that perhaps they are confusing A330s with A320s. There is a new A320 due at the end of this month and another is being sourced. Just a possibility though.
 
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Tue May 02, 2006 10:41 pm

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 19):
i see no future for them

Hi Smokeyrosco, can we quote you on that?

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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Tue May 02, 2006 11:12 pm

Quoting Eirjet (Reply 25):
Hi Smokeyrosco, can we quote you on that?

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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Tue May 02, 2006 11:47 pm

Gday ..

Quoting Ba757gla (Reply 22):
What about GLA does the A321 operate on this route same with EDI .

EI operates the A320s on the Scottish routes, unless there is large demand owing to a special event or if an a/c goes tech, then A321s can be substituted.  Smile

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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Wed May 03, 2006 12:09 am

This is a time when leasing looks like a very good option for EI when it comes to twin aisle planes. Too many factors up in the air, from actual performance of upcoming aircraft to fuel prices, to plunk down the money for an outright purchase if a lease is available. That would give Ei time to see how things settle down in the market and then respond to what is in their best interests.

Good to see the growth though. It's a tough business and I really like seeing airlines like EI moving ahead. All the best to them in the private sector.
 
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Wed May 03, 2006 2:03 am

3 of the 330's are leased already, I'm think if my memory serves me correctly and sometimes it dosen't it's the 332's that are leased.
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Wed May 03, 2006 4:15 am

I wonder if EI manage to get those new Airbuses in the next few months will they use them to cover for the existing ones while they are being refit since its too late to launch new long haul routes for the summer
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Wed May 03, 2006 4:31 am

I cant see EI taking any aircraft out of service just to fit IFE, if any IFE is ever fitted to the current fleet it will probably be during major checks. a few of the 330s were in for C checks recently and nothing was done regards IFE.
 
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Wed May 03, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting EI787 (Reply 14):
Hong Kong
Thailand
India
Japan
Australia

This could just be something about DXB route or it could be a hint at new routes I think we will have to wait till after the summer before they announce some big long-haul plans. I do like the sound of Aer Lingus in india!

Quoting Bestpilot (Reply 17):
EI is a hopeless airline. When I saw the thread title, I was hoping that they were getting a fleet of charter buses. I'd be doubtful of there ability to even handle buses, though.

A Ryanair fan maybe?  duck 
 
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Wed May 03, 2006 6:26 am

Firstly, a big welcome to all the new Irish posters on a.net Its great to see EI planning to grow dramatically. The interim 330 orders are needed to ensure that EI gets in before open skies actually happens.

Quoting Bestpilot (Reply 17):
EI is a hopeless airline.

Obviously because they are profitable, and order airbus!  Smile

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 7):
I'm sure they are and with the 787-10 creating interest it is still a close battle between Airbus and Boeing

I for one have been a big 787 fan since day one for EI. The ability to go for a smaller aircraft will enable the airline to pathfind on new routes, and increase frequencies on core long haul markets to JFK and ORD, and enable daily LAX operations. The 350 aint dead yet though - dont beleive all the shite you read here on a.net. EI will get a good deal from Airbus. Its win-win for EI, which is great news.
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Wed May 03, 2006 7:28 am

In case anybody is wondering, the newest A320, EI-DET, is due to enter service with EI on june 26.
 
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Wed May 03, 2006 8:42 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
Of course, a lot depends on what happens with Open Skies; unfortunately, the issue is complicated by something totally outside EI's power - access to LHR. A senior CO bod, Mr. Smisek (?) came to DUB recently to announce new Irish routes (a doubling of flights, two daily from SNN/DUB to EWR, all with 757s - thanks guys!), and hinted that it all depended on the Brits guaranteeing access to LHR.

Sorry, just a curious question, but how has UK access to LHR any relevance to CO going double daily SNN/DUB-EWR?
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Wed May 03, 2006 12:37 pm

It's not relevant to CO doubling its flights, BUT it is - unfortunately and very frustratingly - relevant to the Open Skies issue. A key sticking point has been access to LHR and apparently this is being permitted, but US carriers say that this is meaningless because LHR is currently full and therefore they want guaranteed access, not just the right to fly to LHR.

I guess they have a point, but what is frustrating of course is that Ireland's ability to develop new US links is being held back by something completely outside our control. Aer Lingus will have the right to add three new US cities from this November (although it probably won't exercise these rights until next year), but this could be scuppered if US talks fail. Thankfully, the minister has said that he will approach to US to agree a special deal if this occurs.

With privatisation around the corner, long haul route development is a key issue, so assurances need to be given on this.
 
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Wed May 03, 2006 12:49 pm

Just saw this after that last post; this is what I was afraid of. The Americans are rowing back on the whole ownership/management issue, due to a strong backlash from US carriers.

It seems the time has come from the minister's commitment on Open Skies to be tested. He has, as I said above, promised to open separate negotiations with the Americans if there are obstacles like this.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/05/02/business/skies.php
 
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Wed May 03, 2006 7:49 pm

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 29):
3 of the 330's are leased already, I'm think if my memory serves me correctly and sometimes it dosen't it's the 332's that are leased.

You're right about 3 of the 330's being leased but only one of the 332's is leased.

The following 3 A330 aircraft are leased:

EI-DUB (-300)
EI-CRK (- 300)
EI-EWR (- 200)
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RE: More 'Buses For Aer Lingus

Wed May 03, 2006 9:38 pm

Quoting EI787 (Reply 14):
With regards to new long-haul routes for EI, they have updated their contact details on their website. They now have representatives in the following countries:

Hong Kong
Thailand
India
Japan
Australia

Look at their website under 'About Us' and 'Contact Info'.

Could this be a sign that routes are to be started in the above countries??? Fingers Crossed!!!

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news mate, but they were always EI GSAs in those countries. (It's just that the EI site has been updated to make the info more accessible).

Don't rule out a couple of the countries on that list you have above though ......
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