juventus
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Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Mon May 01, 2006 10:24 pm

The Asian expansion at Los Angeles continues, Thai increases LAX from 4 to 6. ALso LHR, FRA, and CDG to see expansion from Thai.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2006-04-28-thai-growth_x.htm

(sorry if this has been posted before, did a search did not find anything)
 
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Mon May 01, 2006 11:48 pm

Thanks Juventus  Smile

Good news for TG, intresting that the article said TG are to buy new planes to increase JFK services again! Hopefuly more 345's  Smile

I wonder what they will do to increase FRA, CDG and LHR services, hopefuly add another daily/3x weekly flight into LHR and FRA  Smile

Does anyone know if TG are intrested in the 747-8 to replace the 744's?

When will they receive their first 777-200ER!

TG are also intrested in starting services to OSL, Berlin (probaly TXL) and MAN  Smile

Hopefuly they can make MAN work, especialy now after MH is leaving  Smile

Any news of fleet developments of Nok Air, I've heard recently that TG are looking at adding 737NG's or A32S's to the LCC?

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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 4:57 am

I highly doubt they will buy 747-8s , having already ordered A380s.
TG is one of a few Asian airlines not to have made their selection between the 787 and A350 , and probably will buy one of these types in a short future.
Why ordering another type (747-8) in a fleet which is quite already overcrowded (744 , 777 , 330 , 345 , 346 , ATR , 737 with Nokair , A380 to come and potentially 787 or 350) , for only a few examples?
This will be a non sense , even if it's the TG philosophy to buy nearly all plane types.
 
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 5:58 am

How about AMS?
Wasn't there talk that TG would start a AMS service this summer?
 
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 7:11 am

Thai has announced their start up at Oslo (OSL) some years ago, but stopped the process just before launching the service.
I'm pretty sure that such a service would be a success. So far the numbers of flights from Stockholm and Copenhagen have increased by Thai.
 
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 8:35 am

Quoting FCKC (Reply 2):
Why ordering another type (747-8) in a fleet which is quite already overcrowded (744 , 777 , 330 , 345 , 346 , ATR , 737 with Nokair , A380 to come and potentially 787 or 350) , for only a few examples?
This will be a non sense , even if it's the TG philosophy to buy nearly all plane types.

You forgot about the MD-11. And Thai airways them selves do operate quite a few 737s.
 
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Tue May 02, 2006 8:43 am

I wonder who is the largest Asian carrier at Los Angeles now? Thai, Cathay, JAL, maybe Singapore????
 
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 8:51 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 5):
You forgot about the MD-11. And Thai airways them selves do operate quite a few 737s.

As of today (01 May) all MD-11's have been removed from service by Thai.
 
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 8:57 am

Quoting KLMCedric (Reply 3):
How about AMS?

I know, what happened to AMS?

Quoting Juventus (Reply 6):
wonder who is the largest Asian carrier at Los Angeles now? Thai, Cathay, JAL, maybe Singapore????

I think its SQ with flights:

LAX-SIN
LAX-TPE
LAX-NRT

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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 9:24 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 8):
Quoting Juventus (Reply 6):
wonder who is the largest Asian carrier at Los Angeles now? Thai, Cathay, JAL, maybe Singapore????

I think its SQ with flights:

LAX-SIN
LAX-TPE
LAX-NRT

Well, actually SQ's flights are with 747, 777, and A340-500.

The biggest is CX, with 3 daily 747-400s.
 
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 9:31 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
When will they receive their first 777-200ER!

I think delivery of the first aircraft is in August, as the B772ER is due to commence MEL ops on 1 September, replacing the A346 currently operating the sector.
 
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 9:36 am

I wouldn't be surprised if TG will put less seats into their 772ERs, and operate them non-stop BKK-LAX.
I remember for a while, SQ did that in their 772ERs, however a tech stop was neccessary in TPE for the LAX-SIN sector most of the time, but since BKK is closer to LAX than SIN, they should be able to make it non-stop both ways, in a perhaps 270 seats 3 class configuration. That would free up the A345s, to expand in EWR.
 
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 10:46 am

Any news on the proposed boost on the BKK-JFK route?
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 10:51 am

Quoting Juventus (Reply 6):
I wonder who is the largest Asian carrier at Los Angeles now? Thai, Cathay, JAL, maybe Singapore????

Thai doesn't even come close. They now have 6 A345s per day, which is still less service than before when 744s came daily.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 9):
The biggest is CX, with 3 daily 747-400s.

Actually, it is currently KE:

2x 744 LAX-SEL
1x 772 LAX-SEL
1x 772 LAX-NRT-SEL
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 11:07 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
They now have 6 A345s per day

You mean 6 per week?
 
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Tue May 02, 2006 11:33 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 9):
The biggest is CX, with 3 daily 747-400s.

Actually, it is currently KE:

2x 744 LAX-SEL
1x 772 LAX-SEL
1x 772 LAX-NRT-SEL

Oh right, forgot about them.

So in order, it is:
KE
CX
SQ
JL
CI
BR
Air China
China Eastern
NH
Asiana
China Southern
MH
TG
Philippines Airlines

^any errors?
 
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 11:50 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 15):
So in order, it is:
KE
CX
SQ
JL
CI
BR
Air China
China Eastern
NH
Asiana
China Southern
MH
TG
Philippines Airlines

What about Vietnam, are they still flying to LAX?
 
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 11:59 am

I don't VN has served LAX yet. I thought VN's first US city was supposed to be SFO.
 
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 1:04 pm

Why doesn't TG have service out of SFO? And if they did, might they consider an SFO-BKK nonstop?

Thanks!
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 2:11 pm

Quoting FCKC (Reply 2):
TG is one of a few Asian airlines not to have made their selection between the 787 and A350

Not really a few. There are still CX, PR, TG, MH, SQ, BI, BR*forgive me if they have already ordered 787's*.

[Edited 2006-05-02 07:22:32]
 
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 2:36 pm

Quoting Intothinair (Reply 11):
wouldn't be surprised if TG will put less seats into their 772ERs

Config has already been announced.

30 J and 262 Y = 292 seats
 
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Tue May 02, 2006 2:46 pm

Quoting Juventus (Thread starter):
Thai increases LAX from 4 to 6.

Good to see their non-stops are doing well. It's a great flight on a very comfortable aircraft. I presume they have some more 345s or 772LRs up their sleeve to add additional non-stops to LAX? I hope they time their flights better to connect with services from India.
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 2:50 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):

TG are also intrested in starting services to OSL, Berlin (probaly TXL) and MAN

Why not HEL? If HEL-BKK is so profitable route for AY - why not for TG then? HEL's gegraphical situation with the shortest distance from Europe to Asia is so often mentioned by AY - how come nobody else than AY have "noticed" this?

If, lets say TG or SQ would start using HEL, they could use other Star Alliance partners' (LH, KF, SK, OS) feeding the connecting passengers.

But nobody seems to be interested - and AY has the monopoly ...

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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 3:05 pm

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 14):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
They now have 6 A345s per day

You mean 6 per week?

Yep, typo, thanks

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 15):
So in order, it is:
KE
CX
SQ
JL
CI
BR
Air China
China Eastern
NH
Asiana
China Southern
MH
TG
Philippines Airlines

Actually, BR is ahead of both SQ and JL at this point with their 2 744s and 1 74E. Remember, JL is dropping LAX-KIX and the second LAX-NRT which used to tag to LAS and will only have 1x LAX-NRT per day. CI has 2 744s per day, while MU's 1 A346 definately doesn't put them above Asiana's 10x per week or so to SEL. Also, PR alternates 2x A343s and 1x 744, so it has TG, MH and others up there beat.

Quoting Chulalongkorn (Reply 18):
Why doesn't TG have service out of SFO? And if they did, might they consider an SFO-BKK nonstop?

The Thai population in LAX is massive and TG caters a lot to VFR traffic

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 22):
Why not HEL? If HEL-BKK is so profitable route for AY - why not for TG then? HEL's gegraphical situation with the shortest distance from Europe to Asia is so often mentioned by AY - how come nobody else than AY have "noticed" this?

It is AY's hub. Why connect up to partners who may or may not (in the case of BD, Spanair and others) serve the airport. AY can market both to the local Finnish traffic as well as to Euro connectors, and it is a 1 airline ride.
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 3:10 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 20):
Config has already been announced.

30 J and 262 Y = 292 seats

I thought you had said earlier that they would seat 292 in 3 classes. Oh well 2 class makes alot more sense anyway with the A346's being 3 class!

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 10):
I think delivery of the first aircraft is in August, as the B772ER is due to commence MEL ops on 1 September, replacing the A346 currently operating the sector.

Thats not listed anymore, the only flight I can find is JNB with the 772ER. MEL looks to carry on with the A346 according to the current schedules.

Why would they drop First off that MEL flight anyway? I thought they would make that a daily A346 which gives the evening connections to Europe daily. Delink SYD and put a 772ER of a BKK-MEL-BKK evening service operating 3-4 days a week.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 21):
I presume they have some more 345s or 772LRs up their sleeve to add additional non-stops to LAX?

They currently have 3 with 1 more A345 on order!

Interesting with CDG that TG were 10 weekly there and reduced back to 7. I guess that non stops to MAD will be 2 class 772ER's? And probably either more 744's or A346's to LHR, FRA and CDG?! What about making MUC daily with a smaller A346?
 
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Tue May 02, 2006 3:35 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
Actually, BR is ahead of both SQ and JL at this point with their 2 744s and 1 74E. Remember, JL is dropping LAX-KIX and the second LAX-NRT which used to tag to LAS and will only have 1x LAX-NRT per day. CI has 2 744s per day, while MU's 1 A346 definately doesn't put them above Asiana's 10x per week or so to SEL. Also, PR alternates 2x A343s and 1x 744, so it has TG, MH and others up there beat.

I see, thanks for the corrections. By the way, Asiana sends 747-400Ms to LAX. So, China Eastern does beat them with their full pax A340-600.

Corrected version:
KE
CX
BR
SQ
PR
CI
JL
Air China
MU
NH
Asiana
China Southern
MH
TG
 
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Tue May 02, 2006 3:41 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 24):
I thought you had said earlier that they would seat 292 in 3 classes. Oh well 2 class makes alot more sense anyway with the A346's being 3 class!

nope, it's 2 class as far as i know. given that it's flat bed business, i think it makes good sense.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 24):
Thats not listed anymore, the only flight I can find is JNB with the 772ER. MEL looks to carry on with the A346 according to the current schedules.

You know what TG is like. look out for the sept - dec scvhedules to be changed once more over the next few weeks.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 24):
Why would they drop First off that MEL flight anyway? I thought they would make that a daily A346 which gives the evening connections to Europe daily. Delink SYD and put a 772ER of a BKK-MEL-BKK evening service operating 3-4 days a week.

As above, I think a good business product is sufficient for the market. In fact, CX is also looking to update it's J class offering, and to operate all its long haul A330's in 2 class. top notch J class flat bed, and Y class.

That would mean that PER and BNE also get a better business offering, and CX can set aside a number of A330's for long haul. 3 aircraft for SYD, 2-3 for MEL, 1 for ADL and PER and 1 for CNS/BNE. so 8-10 aircraft with this new config.

so the capacity will increase from 251 to about 280 going from 3 to 2 class, while it will drop from 311 to 280 for the new business product.

going back to TG... I think plan is to up increase BKK-MEL terminator for TG981.982 to daily, but maintain the BKK-SYD-MEL-BKK with upgraded B744 for a little longer. The timing of a non-stop SYD-BKK with a 22.30 departure due to curfew gets you into BKK before 4am! not ideal.
 
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Tue May 02, 2006 3:48 pm

Adding to the above.....

If I were TG, I would increase services to MEL and SYD to triple daily. Would operate B772ER on all services to reduce crewing costs, and to only marginally increase capacity.

Maintain daily terminators to both ports.
midnight ex-BKK, arr MEL/SYD noon, depart 1630, arrive BKK 22.30 for euro connections

I would maintain current TG993/994 service, but reduce capacity by using B772 instead of B744. so capacity goes from 2723 weekly seats to 2044.

I would then add a new flight operating on a BKK-MEL-SYD-BKK routing. Again, a B772, so total increase in capacity for MEL/SYD would only be about 1300 weekly seats.

flight would operate
BKK 19.30
MEL 07.30+1
MEL 09.00
SYD 1030
SYD 1200
BKK 1800.

the 1800 arrival into BKK would open up TG's Indian network significantly, as most services from BKK to India depart 1900 to 2100...
 
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Tue May 02, 2006 3:50 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 25):
I see, thanks for the corrections. By the way, Asiana sends 747-400Ms to LAX. So, China Eastern does beat them with their full pax A340-600.

On the days OZ goes 2x per day, they send a 772ER and a 744 non-combi or a 74M depending. They still beat MU's 1x A346. Further, NH sends a mix of 744s and 772ERs right now and will settle on the 77W, which is a bit larger than the A346, so readjust accordingly  Wink
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Tue May 02, 2006 5:02 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):
Further, NH sends a mix of 744s and 772ERs right now and will settle on the 77W, which is a bit larger than the A346, so readjust accordingly

 Smile got it right here. ANA, until October at least, has the 1x daily 777-300ER as usual. And, I figure A346 and 77W about the same capacity, but one can switch them around as he or she pleases.

http://www.anaskyweb.com/us/e/travel...e/departure/schedule_s/us_nrt.html
 
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Tue May 02, 2006 5:14 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 26):

going back to TG... I think plan is to up increase BKK-MEL terminator for TG981.982 to daily, but maintain the BKK-SYD-MEL-BKK with upgraded B744 for a little longer. The timing of a non-stop SYD-BKK with a 22.30 departure due to curfew gets you into BKK before 4am! not ideal.

Good to hear for MEL, hopefully its true.

As for SYD yes 4am into BKK is not ideal. What about if they go for a morning flight ex SYD aswell as the afternoon one?

So say

BKK 1730
SYD 0630
SYD 0830
BKK 1430

How would that work maybe?

How about BNE? Do you think with the introduction of the 2 class 772ER that they will increase flights there and use the 772ER rather than the 773? Maybe up to 5 weekly and eventually daily?

Also AKL? Not to many airlins offer F ex AKL year round so I think TG could stick to 3 class here, but then again the 346 is not ideal with the large J cabin.
 
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Tue May 02, 2006 5:39 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 30):
BKK 1730
SYD 0630
SYD 0830
BKK 1430

How would that work maybe?

Not ideal, as connections are limited.

A 6-7am arrival in BKK is perfect for onward connections to SE Asia as well as NE asian ports. It also provides for connectiosn to Moscow and some LHR services I think. 14.30 elimates all these.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 30):
How about BNE? Do you think with the introduction of the 2 class 772ER that they will increase flights there and use the 772ER rather than the 773? Maybe up to 5 weekly and eventually daily?

I think they will prob stick it out with the B773. I don't know that they have sufficient frames to up it to 5pw for the time being.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 30):
Also AKL? Not to many airlins offer F ex AKL year round so I think TG could stick to 3 class here, but then again the 346 is not ideal with the large J cabin.

Regardless
 
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 6:02 pm

Quoting FCKC (Reply 2):
I highly doubt they will buy 747-8s , having already ordered A380s.

Why not? Thai has operated almost every widebody made by a western airframe manufacturer: DC10, MD11, B747, B777, A300, A310, A330, A340. The only types missing here are the B767 and L1011. I think it makes perfect sense for Thai to order some B748, B787 and A350 also!  Wink

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 22):
Why not HEL? If HEL-BKK is so profitable route for AY - why not for TG then? HEL's gegraphical situation with the shortest distance from Europe to Asia is so often mentioned by AY - how come nobody else than AY have "noticed" this?

HEL-BKK is profitable because they have a great hub there, not because they have loads of Finnish passengers. TG's only advantage over AY would be that they would be able to feed Finnish passengers onto connecting flights from BKK.

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 22):
If, lets say TG or SQ would start using HEL, they could use other Star Alliance partners' (LH, KF, SK, OS) feeding the connecting passengers.

It's very unlikely that they would do this, as these carriers operates from cities where TG is already established. E.g.: Why should TG put pax onto LH between FRA-HEL when they can put them on one of their multiple daily nonstops from FRA? The only city where TG is not established out of those Star hubs is VIE, but they have codeshare with OS on VIE-BKK.
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 6:36 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 31):

Not ideal, as connections are limited.

A 6-7am arrival in BKK is perfect for onward connections to SE Asia as well as NE asian ports. It also provides for connectiosn to Moscow and some LHR services I think. 14.30 elimates all these.

Well ok but would you rather have a 4am arrival or lets make it 4pm rather than 1430. It seems that it is one or the other.
 
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 6:47 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 25):
Corrected version:
KE
CX
BR
SQ
PR
CI
JL
Air China
MU
NH
Asiana
China Southern
MH
TG

This is how the Far-East carriers stacked up in 2005, according to passengers carrried;

Korean - 723,061
Japan - 541,900
Cathay - 511,675
China - 474,509
Singapore - 472,771
EVA - 432,338
Philippine - 318,185
Asiana - 262,220
ANA - 158,462
Malaysian - 153,878
Air China - 127,570
Thai - 118,558
China Eastern - 92,246
China Southern - 92,240
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 7:00 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 15):
So in order, it is:
KE
CX
SQ
JL
CI
BR
Air China
China Eastern
NH
Asiana
China Southern
MH
TG
Philippines Airlines

What about AI?
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 7:07 pm

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 35):
What about AI?

Air India is not from the Far-East and such not listed. However its 2005, LAX passenger volume was 142,451.
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 7:15 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 34):
Korean - 723,061

Slightly off-topic - but is this mainly O&D traffic (Business or VFR), or is it a lot of connecting traffic. If connecting - where to from SEL?
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Tue May 02, 2006 7:28 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 37):
Slightly off-topic - but is this mainly O&D traffic (Business or VFR), or is it a lot of connecting traffic. If connecting - where to from SEL?

I would say a significant portion is VFR as Los Angeles host the largest Korean-American community in the US. But indeed there is decent business demand also as Korea is one of California's top export trade partners. In addition with the varied schedule KE offers at LAX provides connectivity with most of its Asia network.

Also Korean Air happens to be the largest foreign cargo carrier at LAX.
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 7:57 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 27):
Adding to the above.....

If I were TG, I would increase services to MEL and SYD to triple daily. Would operate B772ER on all services to reduce crewing costs, and to only marginally increase capacity.

Maintain daily terminators to both ports.
midnight ex-BKK, arr MEL/SYD noon, depart 1630, arrive BKK 22.30 for euro connections

I would maintain current TG993/994 service, but reduce capacity by using B772 instead of B744. so capacity goes from 2723 weekly seats to 2044.

I would then add a new flight operating on a BKK-MEL-SYD-BKK routing. Again, a B772, so total increase in capacity for MEL/SYD would only be about 1300 weekly seats.

The only problem i see with this is the lack of First Class. Even if it were for one flight a day, there is a first class demand in Sydney and Melbourne.
 
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 7:59 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
Thanks Juventus

Good news for TG, intresting that the article said TG are to buy new planes to increase JFK services again! Hopefuly more 345's

I wonder what they will do to increase FRA, CDG and LHR services, hopefuly add another daily/3x weekly flight into LHR and FRA

Does anyone know if TG are intrested in the 747-8 to replace the 744's?

When will they receive their first 777-200ER!

TG are also intrested in starting services to OSL, Berlin (probaly TXL) and MAN

Hopefuly they can make MAN work, especialy now after MH is leaving

Any news of fleet developments of Nok Air, I've heard recently that TG are looking at adding 737NG's or A32S's to the LCC?

Rob!



Quoting FCKC (Reply 2):
I highly doubt they will buy 747-8s , having already ordered A380s.
TG is one of a few Asian airlines not to have made their selection between the 787 and A350 , and probably will buy one of these types in a short future.
Why ordering another type (747-8) in a fleet which is quite already overcrowded (744 , 777 , 330 , 345 , 346 , ATR , 737 with Nokair , A380 to come and potentially 787 or 350) , for only a few examples?
This will be a non sense , even if it's the TG philosophy to buy nearly all plane types.

You are absolutely correct, FCKC, TG is in the habit of buying everything, and will continue to do so as long as they are government controlled.

They will buy 787's; 350's; 320's; 748's.........they will buy some of each of these. They do it for political reasons, for union reasons, and also because it reflects their buying practices in general.

I had to chuckle today, when I read the article below. This is Thai Airways in a nutshell:


THAI to launch a new airline, "Euarng Luang" (a mid-range market airline)

Thai Airways Tuesday announced that it will launch a new airline for domestic and regional routes as part of its effort to tackle stiff competition from budget rivals.

The airline, called Euarng Luang, will target the mid-range market and will begin operations later this year, flying to Laos, Cambodia and Myanmar, Thai Airways new president Apinan Sumanaseni said. It will take about two months to set up a new company that will operate flights for domestic routes and neighboring countries, he added.

Euarng Luang, which means Royal Orchid, will be positioned differently from NokAir, Thai Airways' low-cost subsidiary, and is aimed at attracting customers from premium and budget rivals, Apinan said.

Euarng Luang will fly from Bangkok's existing Don Muang airport before moving to the new Suvarnabhumi Airport which is expected to open after much delay by the end of the year.
 
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Tue May 02, 2006 10:43 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 34):
This is how the Far-East carriers stacked up in 2005, according to passengers carrried;

Korean - 723,061
Japan - 541,900
Cathay - 511,675
China - 474,509
Singapore - 472,771
EVA - 432,338
Philippine - 318,185
Asiana - 262,220
ANA - 158,462
Malaysian - 153,878
Air China - 127,570
Thai - 118,558
China Eastern - 92,246
China Southern - 92,240

When Philippine gets more aircraft, watch out!!, since those 318 185 will be up in at least 500 000.
Filipinos are the most common asians in LA (700 000), and chinese were close behind. (I think  Smile)

If PR has 9 (7x744 + 2x343) flight per week, and CX 21 744's per week, it has to mean that they fly half full, since PR had 300 000 pax and CX had 500 000?
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Thu May 04, 2006 5:36 pm

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 41):
When Philippine gets more aircraft, watch out!!, since those 318 185 will be up in at least 500 000.
Filipinos are the most common asians in LA (700 000), and chinese were close behind. (I think Smile)

If PR has 9 (7x744 + 2x343) flight per week, and CX 21 744's per week, it has to mean that they fly half full, since PR had 300 000 pax and CX had 500 000?

Really. As for your numbers, you even wrote that PR have 9 weekly flights and CX have 21 so how do you come to the conclusion that PR or CX fly half full?

Doesn't make sense to me. PR must have very high loads which is what I hear and also probably seat more on their 744's than CX do.
 
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Thu May 04, 2006 6:08 pm

Any chance of us getting the TG A346 at LHR anytime soon?
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
 
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Thu May 04, 2006 6:17 pm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 43):
Any chance of us getting the TG A346 at LHR anytime soon?

I was wondering what aircraft will operate these extra services? I think the A346's are fairly busy with AKL, MEL and ZRH mainly. I'd guess these extra flights will mainly be on 744's.
 
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Thu May 04, 2006 9:08 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 44):
I was wondering what aircraft will operate these extra services? I think the A346's are fairly busy with AKL, MEL and ZRH mainly. I'd guess these extra flights will mainly be on 744's.

As I have mentioned in other posts, I would expect TG to bring the B772ER onto MEL?.

How big is the LHR-BKK corporate market? can it sustain 60 J and 8 F seats per day??

Actually, is there ANY longhaul market in which TG operates that can sustain that??

I think TG should follow MH's example. Recognise that your core markets ARE NOT J class, and focus on your strengths. I cant for the life of me work out why TG went for such a big J class, let alone 3 class in the A346??

For use to JNB, MEL, AKL or ZRH for that matter, 40 J class beds and about 250 in Y class with 33-34 inch pitch would have made more sense.

[Edited 2006-05-04 14:10:22]
 
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Fri May 05, 2006 12:08 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 42):
Really. As for your numbers, you even wrote that PR have 9 weekly flights and CX have 21 so how do you come to the conclusion that PR or CX fly half full?

Well, PR offers 3500 seats every week each way to MNL (7x430=3010 + 2x260=520, thats about 3500), and in one year they had 300 000 here.

CX offers 8000 seats every week each way to HKG (21x383=about 8000), and in one year they had 500 000 here.

So:

PR:3500 seats/week, 300 000/year.
CX:8000 seats/week, 500 000/year.

Se what I mean? Shouldn't CX have had about 7-800 000 /year if they were going full?

Maybe I did something wrong (tell me if I did) but I think it's right...  Smile

(Does anyone happen to have the list of the largest asian carriers in terms of pax in SFO?, or know where I can find it, please tell)

//Alex
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Fri May 05, 2006 10:50 am

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 46):
Well, PR offers 3500 seats every week each way to MNL (7x430=3010 + 2x260=520, thats about 3500), and in one year they had 300 000 here.

CX offers 8000 seats every week each way to HKG (21x383=about 8000), and in one year they had 500 000 here.

So:

PR:3500 seats/week, 300 000/year.
CX:8000 seats/week, 500 000/year.

Se what I mean? Shouldn't CX have had about 7-800 000 /year if they were going full?

Maybe I did something wrong (tell me if I did) but I think it's right... Smile

I don't get it.

3500 seats a week equals 182000 seats a year each way.
8000 seats a weeks equals 416000 seats a year each way.

I think those numbers are the totals carried to all US cities for those airlines for the year!?

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 45):

How big is the LHR-BKK corporate market? can it sustain 60 J and 8 F seats per day??

Actually, is there ANY longhaul market in which TG operates that can sustain that??

I never said that the A346's would go to LHR. But that would probably be the only market aside from maybe FRA that needs that could need that many J seats on 1 flight.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 45):
I think TG should follow MH's example. Recognise that your core markets ARE NOT J class, and focus on your strengths. I cant for the life of me work out why TG went for such a big J class, let alone 3 class in the A346??

For use to JNB, MEL, AKL or ZRH for that matter, 40 J class beds and about 250 in Y class with 33-34 inch pitch would have made more sense.

Why did they get both the A346 and the B772ER in the first place? They should have gone for 1 of these types I think. They probably do need a mid size aircraft with 3 classes IMO, i'm sure MEL and ZRH can support F but maybe not 60 J. They could have got just 1 of these types and had 2 different configurations on them?!
 
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Sat May 06, 2006 12:32 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
CI has 2 744s per day,

if they haven't already started. CI are going to 16 744 flights a week to LAX for the summer schedule
 
cityairline
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RE: Thai Boosts Los Angeles, London, Paris, Others.

Sat May 06, 2006 1:05 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 47):
3500 seats a week equals 182000 seats a year each way.
8000 seats a weeks equals 416000 seats a year each way.

No, I just mean, compare the number of seats offered with the numbers of pax carried. PR has must have much higher loads than CX on this route.

But if these numbers are for all the cities in the US, then I understand that you don't get it since the things I've said would be wrong then. I thought it was LAX only. Are you sure these numbers aren't only for LAX?

BTW, does anyone know which is the largest asian airline in SFO? Is it SQ? Who is 2nd and 3rd?

//Alex
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