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Why Did Boeing Skip The 717?

Tue May 02, 2006 6:45 am

Hi folks.

As you can see , the question is simple. Boeing only came up with the 717 after renaming the MD 95 once it took MD over!
However, if one is logical, the 727 should have been the 717 but boeing skipped this model and went right on from 707 to 727. Would anyone be able to explain me the reason for this? thanks in advance.

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RE: Why Did Boeing Skip The 717?

Tue May 02, 2006 6:48 am

The original 717 was the internal Boeing designation for what became better known as the KC-135. It was also briefly used as the name for what became the 720.
 
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RE: Why Did Boeing Skip The 717?

Tue May 02, 2006 6:50 am

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RE: Why Did Boeing Skip The 717?

Tue May 02, 2006 7:55 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 1):
The original 717 was the internal Boeing designation for what became better known as the KC-135.

This is correct.
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RE: Why Did Boeing Skip The 717?

Tue May 02, 2006 8:12 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 1):
The original 717 was the internal Boeing designation for what became better known as the KC-135. It was also briefly used as the name for what became the 720.

I've also read elsewhere that this is the reason the current 717 is the 717-200, the KC-135 was the 717-100.

Just what I've read in previous threads... Could be wrong... You know how reliable some of the info posted here is  Wink
 
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RE: Why Did Boeing Skip The 717?

Tue May 02, 2006 9:41 am

There is an older book by Barry Schiff that gives a pretty good account of the 707 program. That book confirms the above statements about the KC135 program designation as the 717. I cant remember the exact title, "The 707" maybe? The book itself is in storage so unfortunately I cant access it.
Along that same vein I've always wondered why the MD95 didnt become the 787. Im sure there was some interesting debate in the boardroom over the choice of 717 vs continuing the consecutive numbers.
 
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RE: Why Did Boeing Skip The 717?

Tue May 02, 2006 9:48 am

Quoting Flaps (Reply 5):
Along that same vein I've always wondered why the MD95 didnt become the 787

In another thread they had a 787 concept which was basically a non-trijet 727 but obviously that never got off the drawing board. Nice looking plane though.
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RE: Why Did Boeing Skip The 717?

Tue May 02, 2006 10:08 am

Quoting Flaps (Reply 5):
There is an older book by Barry Schiff that gives a pretty good account of the 707 program. That book confirms the above statements about the KC135 program designation as the 717

Got my copy right on the bookcase - "The Boeing 707" by Barry Schiff. Published by Arco in 1967, designated as a Len Morgan book. Anyhow, you're memory's spot on about the 717 designation, referenced on page 42.
 
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RE: Why Did Boeing Skip The 717?

Tue May 02, 2006 11:34 am

Quoting Petmbro (Reply 6):
In another thread they had a 787 concept which was basically a non-trijet 727 but obviously that never got off the drawing board. Nice looking plane though.

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RE: Why Did Boeing Skip The 717?

Tue May 02, 2006 11:58 am

 
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RE: Why Did Boeing Skip The 717?

Tue May 02, 2006 2:29 pm

Now that is a sweet looking plane  Smile
 
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RE: Why Did Boeing Skip The 717?

Tue May 02, 2006 2:33 pm

thats crazy looking! i wonder why they never developed it?
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RE: Why Did Boeing Skip The 717?

Tue May 02, 2006 2:34 pm

Sweeeet! That plane has windows in intake duct of the engines! OOPS
 
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RE: Why Did Boeing Skip The 717?

Tue May 02, 2006 2:51 pm

Too bad we'll probably never see another 707-type fuselage used, as the 737RS will likely be a scaled-down 787.

It is interesting to note that up until recently (final 717 being built) that derivatives of all three of the major jetliner companies' initial fuselage is/was still being used in currently manufactured aircraft (B737 derived from the B707, A300/310/330/340 from the initial A300B2, and the B717/MD-95 from the DC-8 [fuselage was narrowed, but it's pretty obvious they're closely related]).
 
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RE: Why Did Boeing Skip The 717?

Tue May 02, 2006 7:16 pm

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 11):
thats crazy looking! i wonder why they never developed it?

Because that is not a real Boeing design. That came off someones home computer.
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RE: Why Did Boeing Skip The 717?

Tue May 02, 2006 11:06 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 14):
Because that is not a real Boeing design. That came off someones home computer.

Exactly, it looks like they took the 737 nose, 757 fuselage, and MD80 screwdriver tail and combined it. It is amazing how gullible people really are.
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RE: Why Did Boeing Skip The 717?

Wed May 03, 2006 2:46 am

Quoting Bestpilot (Reply 12):
Sweeeet! That plane has windows in intake duct of the engines! OOPS

no ... that is the Rolls Royce logo
 
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RE: Why Did Boeing Skip The 717?

Wed May 03, 2006 3:22 am

Ok fine, here's the real one design, one of the eariler considerations for the 7N7, that Petmbro probably was referring to. I thought people were wanting a T-tail, rear engined image, so I posted the interpretation as listed above. As the designs progressed on the 7N7, the 757 came into being.


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Amazing how even Boeing's model had the:

Quoting United737522 (Reply 15):
737 nose, 757 fuselage,

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RE: Why Did Boeing Skip The 717?

Wed May 03, 2006 4:21 am

Another fact relating the current (now just out of production) B-717-200 to the KC-135 series airplanes is the KC/C/EC/RC-135As (the water wagons with the steam jet J-57s) were all the Boeing model B-717-100. There was the KC/EC/RC/WC/VC-135B/C, all with TF-33 fan jet engines that were the Boeing model B-717-200, as they had 12' longer fuselarge. These airplanes were remodeled to the B-717-156, with the original KC-135A steam jet airplanes called the B-717-136 by Boeing.
 
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RE: Why Did Boeing Skip The 717?

Wed May 03, 2006 4:33 am

This forum discusses a lot of aircraft that never made it to the tarmac (or some that did but make production).
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RE: Why Did Boeing Skip The 717?

Wed May 03, 2006 7:39 am

Quoting BOS2LAF (Reply 4):

I've also read elsewhere that this is the reason the current 717 is the 717-200, the KC-135 was the 717-100.

Not true, as Boeing almost launched the 717-100, which would have been about the size of a DC-9-10/20 series. The problem was that the market niche was already too crowded, plus airlines weren't interested in a 70-80 seat a/c that was heavier than it's competitors in the segment, and would have more than likely been flown by mainline crews.
 
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RE: Why Did Boeing Skip The 717?

Wed May 03, 2006 3:27 pm

Quoting United737522 (Reply 15):
MD80 screwdriver tail

Not to be nit-picky....maybe the tailcone....but that tail (vertical stabilizer) is a 727....  bigthumbsup 
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