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Quoting Manni (Reply 2): And for us, aviation enthousiasts, a nice change from the ussual. |
Quoting Rainmaker (Reply 9): I believe that a $ 20 MM tag price is a bit unrealistic for an aircraft like this. Especially if you understand that there won't be apparently much of Russian government money involved. Private investors would try and get a return on their investment (Finmecanica, snecma, the myriad of western suppliers). |
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 13): The $20 million price tag is a bargain compared to the list price of the other regional jets SAS is considering. If you've been to Russia you will discover that everything is extremely cheap there in comparison to prices in Western Europe. I hope SAS evaluate the aircraft and the evaluation warrants an order, because it would be great to see their industry get back on its feet in a proper way! |
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 13):
The $20 million price tag is a bargain compared to the list price of the other regional jets SAS is considering. If you've been to Russia you will discover that everything is extremely cheap there in comparison to prices in Western Europe. |
Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 15): The RRJ will only be Russian to some extent. Most of the expensive add-ons to the fuselage are "Western" products and come with the related price-tag - avionics, engines, galleys etc. do not care if the fly around in a winged tube from Russia, the UK or the U.S. That said, "westernizing" Russian aircraft narrows the price gap to some extent (it is, however, still considerable). |
Quoting Treg (Reply 7): Russian aircraft for Estonian Air and Air Baltic. It is something like US-based carrier would buy aircrafts made in Iran or China. |
Quoting OwlEye (Thread starter): SAS is studying the possibility to buy the RRJ-Sukhoi's Russian Regional Jet |
Quoting OwlEye (Thread starter): The Embraer 190 and the CRJ900 are also in the race |
Quoting OwlEye (Thread starter): replacement aircraft for its affiliates Blue1 (Finnland), Widerøe (Norway), Air Baltic (Letland), Estonian Air (Estland) and Spanair (Spain) |
Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 19): but what is the form of affiliation between SAS and Estonian/Air Baltic (other than through the FFP which I am aware of in case of Air Baltic)? |
Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 19): Forgive me my ignorance, but what is the form of affiliation between SAS and Estonian/Air Baltic (other than through the FFP which I am aware of in case of Air Baltic)? |
Quoting L1329II (Reply 22): No not really. You mean to tell me these birds look nothing like an airbus 320 series? |
Quoting L1329II (Reply 22): What about the Buran? No, that looks nothing like a US space shuttle. |
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 13): The $20 million price tag is a bargain compared to the list price of the other regional jets SAS is considering. |
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 13): If you've been to Russia you will discover that everything is extremely cheap there in comparison to prices in Western Europe. |
Quoting L1329II (Reply 22): What about the Buran? No, that looks nothing like a US space shuttle. |
Quoting L1329II (Reply 12): Come on now... is it just me or do these airplanes look almost exactly like the A320 line up? |
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 21): What aircraft types will be replaced by the Sukhoi RRJ? I wonder especially in the case of Spanair. |
Quoting Treg (Reply 7):
Russian aircraft for Estonian Air and Air Baltic. It is something like US-based carrier would buy aircrafts made in Iran or China. |
Quoting A342 (Reply 25):
buran is more advanced compared to the Shuttle which has tons of problems... |
Quoting L1329II (Reply 12): Come on now... is it just me or do these airplanes look almost exactly like the A320 line up? |
Quoting L1329II (Reply 31): Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 30): I think the RRJ looks nice and might have a healthy future. I couldnt agree more! I apologize for the way my previous thread sounded. I was trying to be sarcastic and I came across as an attack. No offense intended! |
Quoting Acidradio (Reply 34): Only stupid question - will they produce a cockpit in English, like the rest of the western aircraft? It seems that Russia is the only country that makes aircraft that are not in English. |
Quoting RIX (Reply 28): - with all respect to great Soviet achievements in air and space (totally unknown to some "enthusiasts" here, including this thread), Buran is same "more advanced" than Shuttle as Tu144 is "superior" to Concorde (which, again, is surprising news to some [other] enthusiasts here, including this thread). We'll discuss it when Buran completes 100+ missions. I mean, right after Tu144 carries 3.5 million passengers. |
Quoting RedChili (Reply 26): Everything? Have you ever tried to get a hotel room in Moscow or Petersburg? Or how about renting an apartment in Moscow? Or how about getting some domestic flight tickets? Or how about buying baby clothes? |
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 32): give me a 727 or a VC10 |
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 37): I stayed in hotels in Moscow and St. Petersburg in October. Extremely cheap indeed, and very very good! |
Quoting RedChili (Reply 38): corporate hotel rates |
Quoting RedChili (Reply 38): intractable image problem |
Quoting RedChili (Reply 38): highest-ever average room rate of $253." |
Quoting A342 (Reply 36): the Buran has only made one flight, but it has done this automatically... the Buran has an ILS system |
Quoting A342 (Reply 36): Has any US spacecraft intended for manned missions ever flown automatically ? |
Quoting A342 (Reply 36): in many ways the Russian technology is more robust and simpler than the US counterparts: Russian rockets don't explode on takeoff if the outside temperature was a bit too cold before |
Quoting A342 (Reply 36): Has any US spacecraft intended for manned missions ever flown automatically ? |
Quoting RIX (Reply 44): but how can you be confident that nothing like this would have happened to Buran |
Quoting RIX (Reply 44): what for? |
Quoting RIX (Reply 44): Plus, I hope, you are not so silly to believe that the Soviets didn't have their amount of "rockets exploding on take-off". Or killing dozens of people around even before launch. |
Quoting A342 (Reply 46): Please tell me where I said this ? |
Quoting A342 (Reply 46): It is very useful to test a manned spacecraft unmanned on the first flights. IIRC, if the Chinese hadn't done this, they'd have a dead man now. |
Quoting A342 (Reply 46): Once something works well in Russian space technology, it's hardly changed over decades. Next year the Sojuz will have it's 50th birthday and it's still a reliable workhorse. Look at how the ISS at the moment is totally dependent on the Russians. |
Quoting A342 (Reply 46): they had, but the stress is on HAD |
Quoting RedChili (Reply 45): Valentina Tereshkova... wasn't even qualified to pilot a plane, much less a spacecraft. |
Quoting A342 (Reply 46): Next year the Sojuz will have it's 50th birthday |
Quoting RIX (Reply 47): are you sure? She definitely was trained in a group of cosmonauts; |
Quoting RIX (Reply 47): - your "buran is more advanced compared to the Shuttle which has tons of problems..." assumes Buran wouldn't have these problems, be it in service of the same scale as Shuttle. If the assumption is wrong, then you agree that Buran has similar "ton of problems" too, which would be exposed in routine flights. |
Quoting RedChili (Reply 48): I'm sure you mean 40th birthday. The first Vostok launch was on 23 April 1967. |
Quoting RIX (Reply 47): I don't think, "hardly changed over decades" is a good thing by itself. In case of Soyuz - great |